Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

briany wrote: »

I don't get the impression that Don Jr. is all that seriously interested in getting in that particular race at this point in his life, having only taken over the family enterprise a few years ago. But I think that Congresspeople can own businesses in addition to their role in Washington. You could have Don Jr. in the House and Ivanka in the Senate. I'm not saying this a nice thought, but from the Trump perspective, it would be achievable.

That is true Caligula had his horse made a Senator:)

CNN has new audio of a 2019 phone call from Rudy Giuliani to the Ukrainian government about pushing the Ukraine meddling in the 2016 election and to open investigations into the bidens.

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

....... but what about Hillary’s emails ?

Speaking of emails it seems that mark meadows the former chief of staff was in contact with the acting AG about launching an investigation into a theory that Italian satellites in some way were able to alter voting machines to change votes from trump to Biden. It’s ****ing nuts.

Tell me how wrote: »

It was said on here many times last year that if the lead up to elections in a country in Africa or South America had been surrounded with the same concerns about the attempts to influence the result as we saw in the US, the UN and America itself would have been talking about sending observers to ensure everything was above board.

Just on South America I was reading how one of the subscribers to the Trump playbook Jair Bolsonaro has recently relaxed laws that made it difficult to buy guns whilst also verbally encouraging his supporters to go out and buy them. His supporters have been arming themselves to the teeth and forming militias much like is seen in the US with the OathKeepers, 3%ers, etc. Bolsonaro has also repeated Trumps claims that the 2020 US election was stolen. His own re-election is due next year so it seems he is already laying the groundwork for what happens in the aftermath if he loses it which at the moment looks likely, his approval rating is in the tank at just 24%.

Interestingly Trumps first major milestone to make his comeback is having a good showing from candidates who he endorses and campaigns for during the mid term elections, which are scheduled for November 4th 2022. Just 4 weeks prior on October 8th Brazil goes to the polls to make a decision on Bolsonaro. If he loses its pretty certain that he will try to overthrow the election results and some sort of Captiol riot event in Brazil seems inevitable. That would make for a very interesting backdrop to the US mid terms just a few weeks later.

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I've said it before, but it continues to be quite remarkable how far these people were willing to go to indulge the idiotic whims of Trump, a born liar and utter spoofer. There is literally not a spine between the lot of them.

I was listening to Dave Mcwilliams' podcast a while ago and he made an interesting point on the difference between left and right wing politics. The right is much more concerned with power for the sake of power and much less concerned with ideological purity than the left is. It seems to be bearing out with the current rise of populism and demagoguery - the more traditional Conservative politicians are not speaking out, but are going along with it all, for the most part.

Manic Moran wrote: »

To my knowledge, he's a good officer and experienced in the area, to include a tour of duty as deputy commander US Army Pacific. His most recent position in DC had him running the Army's reconfiguration, announced Oct last year, which seems to be being well received.

Any reason to believe he's not sufficiently competent and experienced enough to do the job beyond the fact that, like a lot of folks in the Army (given what happened the last time), he was twice shy over sending troops in to DC for more law enforcement?

putting optics before need

briany wrote: »

I was listening to Dave Mcwilliams' podcast a while ago and he made an interesting point on the difference between left and right wing politics. The right is much more concerned with power for the sake of power and much less concerned with ideological purity than the left is. It seems to be bearing out with the current rise of populism and demagoguery - the more traditional Conservative politicians are not speaking out, but are going along with it all, for the most part.

Which was said out loud by former Secretary of State James baker in a documentary about the 2000 US election when he recounted the conversation he had with the bush staff in Florida after he was sent there to oversee the recount. He said they do everything by the book but also said “do you want to be ideological pure, or do you want to win ?” and I’ve heard it said on a podcast about the same election that republicans didn’t “care if they were seen as hypocrites, they wanted to be in power.”

The democrats really don’t have the same attitude and indulge in ideological purity tests and seem to be of the belief that they can use the same playbook all over America and that the voters will just flock to them, which is either unbelievable naive or arrogant or a mixture of both.

looksee wrote: »

Bit of an aside, but He Hasn't Gone Away. On the contents page of MSNBC currently 20 of the items/headlines include Trump's name. Only 12 mention Biden. I'll bet he is sitting there counting mentions too.

Yeah they need to stop.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I've said this before , but a key difference is that we are hearing ABOUT Trump , but we're really not hearing a whole lot FROM Trump anymore.

He is still very relevant in terms of the current State of the GOP and of course the multiple court cases and the recent exposure of the DOJ subpoenas etc.

But what we are not getting is the constant barrage of his lies and obfuscation multiple times a day.

I really don’t miss the daily avalanche of Trump madness.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I've said this before , but a key difference is that we are hearing ABOUT Trump , but we're really not hearing a whole lot FROM Trump anymore.

He is still very relevant in terms of the current State of the GOP and of course the multiple court cases and the recent exposure of the DOJ subpoenas etc.

But what we are not getting is the constant barrage of his lies and obfuscation multiple times a day.

The silence is good for the senses, even if his shadow still lies on the land and the GOP.

I'm thinking that the fact so far in the breaking story of the Trump DOJ subpoenas that neither of Trump's Attorneys General nor the Deputy AG seem to have been involved with them makes it seem that some-one lower down the DOJ authority level was involved in the authorising for the subpoenas.

With former AG Barr denying any knowledge of the subpoenas which [given his position] sounds like a implausible deniability excuse, it looks like some-one will be thrown under the bus - maybe already has tonight listening to CNN reporting on the early retirement of a senior DOJ staffer. An obvious question is who in the DOJ would place themselves in the position of giving the go-ahead for subpoenas without a permit from either Barr or Jeff Sessions, or the Deputy AG of the time to do what looks like Trump's bidding from a distance.

Mike Pence is still in the sights of US conservatives as he was heckled and called a traitor at a Christian religious conference earlier today when he took the stage to address the conference. The hecklers, curiously enough wearing red baseball caps, were escorted out of the audience by police. The heckling might indicate a reduced vote for him to be a GOP candidate for the presidency next time around.