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Notwithstanding its recent survey results, the infrastructure question “can be a little overplayed,” suggests IEVOA spokesperson Kevin Dowling.
“Ireland is in a pretty decent place in this regard I]charging infrastructure[/I and the Government needs to future-proof it. We need to avoid a situation where we store technical debt in the future by having too much unnecessary infrastructure. In fact, the focus on it acts as a detractor for many potential EV owners, who get scared by the doomsayers as regards infrastructure around the country.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/motors-focus-2021/infrastructure-key-to-electric-vehicle-changeover-1.4589749?mode=amp
Am I seeing something that isn't there, because to me, it seems like the IEVOA are saying we are well served already with charging infrastructure & demands for improvement are doomsaying, scaring more people away from BEVs :eek:.
All we need to do is "future proof" our dismal charging network, complete with 99% single point of failure 50kW DC units, here & there, not forgetting our single 3 unit HPC hub, which is limited to 60kW or similar I hear (& the largely useless AC points in selected Tesco stores
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So, the IEVOA are in effect lobbying for "holding firm", we're already there, save the pennies on useless charging infrastructure.
Have I drank a bottle of wine without realising tonight?
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Someone please explain how I'm misreading that!!0 -
Am I seeing something that isn't there, because to me, it seems like the IEVOA are saying we are well served already with charging infrastructure & demands for improvement are doomsaying, scaring more people away from BEVs :eek:.
All we need to do is "future proof" our dismal charging network, complete with 99% single point of failure 50kW DC units, here & there, not forgetting our single 3 unit HPC hub, which is limited to 60kW or similar I hear (& the largely useless AC points in selected Tesco stores)
So, the IEVOA are in effect lobbying for "holding firm", we're already there, save the pennies on useless charging infrastructure.
Have I drank a bottle of wine without realising tonight?.
Someone please explain how I'm misreading that!!
The guy from SIMI seemed pretty good, saying that planning laws should be updated to require EV charging. Pretty much hit the nail on the head IMO
The IEVOA guy didn't do great, contradicted himself a few times in the same sentence even
If I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, while public charging isn't great the problems are often overplayed by non EV owners saying stuff like there's nowhere to charge an EV or that it takes hours to charge anywhere
There isn't enough chargers for sure, but that's still better than no chargers
EDIT: Actually the IEVOA guy made one great point about the myriad of apps needed to access the networks and suggested there should be one central card like a Leap card
He should have gone a step further and suggested all chargers should has tap and pay terminals attached.
I mean we have these well established global spanning payments networks, why exactly aren't we using them???"The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost
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Am I seeing something that isn't there, because to me, it seems like the IEVOA are saying we are well served already with charging infrastructure & demands for improvement are doomsaying, scaring more people away from BEVs :eek:.
All we need to do is "future proof" our dismal charging network, complete with 99% single point of failure 50kW DC units, here & there, not forgetting our single 3 unit HPC hub, which is limited to 60kW or similar I hear (& the largely useless AC points in selected Tesco stores)
That's a somewhat ironic response to claims that the infrastructure issues are overplayed, there are 110 locations on the island with CCS chargers, there are at least 7 sites with multiple DC chargers, so no 99% of our rapid charging network does not consist of locations with single points of failure.
There's still lots of improvement needed, but it's a lot better than it was 18 months ago.0 -
There's still lots of improvement needed, but it's a lot better than it was 18 months ago.
There's no denying that it is better, but it should be miles better than it is & even was, 18 months ago.
Invest in the network, it'll be used. Money well spent.
We came up with what, €30/40bn overnight for Covid, but a paltry €10m to save the planet?
Lobby groups should be badgering government for investment in charging infrastructure, not basically saying what we already have is good enough & just needs some future-proofing :eek:.
We've covered somewhere around 100,000 "electric" kilometres over the last 2 years & the network is no where near good enough. The IEVOA or Independent didn't ask me for my thoughts though & I won't be heard by the transport minister, but I'll make some noise here. 0 -
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Are you including Ionity & Tesla in that 7? While I didn't expressly name eCars, I was referring to "our" infrastructure, as in state funded/owned. I did exclude Tesla & Ionity in a follow up post.
No just eCars sites.
Dublin Port, J14 Mayfield, Kilcullen, Portlaoise Plaza, Athlone, Carrick On Shannon, Kiltullagh
There's a whole thread about the investment programme
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https://www.irishtimes.com/special-reports/motors-focus-2021/infrastructure-key-to-electric-vehicle-changeover-1.4589749?mode=amp
Am I seeing something that isn't there, because to me, it seems like the IEVOA are saying we are well served already with charging infrastructure & demands for improvement are doomsaying, scaring more people away from BEVs :eek:.
All we need to do is "future proof" our dismal charging network, complete with 99% single point of failure 50kW DC units, here & there, not forgetting our single 3 unit HPC hub, which is limited to 60kW or similar I hear (& the largely useless AC points in selected Tesco stores)
So, the IEVOA are in effect lobbying for "holding firm", we're already there, save the pennies on useless charging infrastructure.
Have I drank a bottle of wine without realising tonight?.
Someone please explain how I'm misreading that!!
I reread part of the article and I'm a bit more on the side of the IEVOA spokesperson now
Havings said that, he could do with being somewhat less diplomatic and a bit cleaer in his points. Generally if I have to unpick someone's meaning from what they said, and it's open to misinterpretation, they're either an awfulspokesperson or an excellent politician
He mentions not wanting technical debt by installing uneeded infrastructure. If he's referring to things like 22kW AC units at Tesco, then he's absolutely spot on. They aren't very useful to EV drivers so what's the point in even installing them now. They'll just need to be upgraded later to the needs of the market so why waste the money on them now
I don't understand why he couldn't simply say this. I guess if IEOVA cause too much grief for the government or ESB then they'll stop being consulted about EV owners opinions
If there was one thing the IEOVA should lobby the government for it's this:
EV charging is an essential public utility in the same way that electricity, communications and fuel are. As such, the public should be afforded the same access to charging as those other services"The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost
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Theres already functionality for this. Easygo do it for instance. I've spoken to an owner of a company at an EV meet that has switched his fleet to EV, they give the drivers easygo fobs and it tracks all usage and allows access to all DC charging
True, I mean more around home charging. For example if I'm an employee and I can either pay for charging at home or get it free at a DC charger...then honestly I'd probably still charge at home
But still, for employers I imagine they'd be seeking to maximise their cost savings and encouraging employees to use expensive chargers doesn't really help this. Considering a comany can buy a home charger for employees at pretty low cost, I imagine the payback time versus using a lot of DC charging is pretty good
Obviously the situation is different for shared vehicles in a company, I'm talking specifically about company cars assigned to a particular employee here"The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost
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the_amazing_raisin wrote: »True, I mean more around home charging. For example if I'm an employee and I can either pay for charging at home or get it free at a DC charger...then honestly I'd probably still charge at home
But still, for employers I imagine they'd be seeking to maximise their cost savings and encouraging employees to use expensive chargers doesn't really help this. Considering a comany can buy a home charger for employees at pretty low cost, I imagine the payback time versus using a lot of DC charging is pretty good
Obviously the situation is different for shared vehicles in a company, I'm talking specifically about company cars assigned to a particular employee here
I've heard that they can get usage reports for home chargers for company expenses also. I could see it being a bit messy if the person also has a private car but surely with mileage etc. they could work out if things were amiss - plus you're not talking crazy money for charging.0 -
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