Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Two friends age 41, both got texts late this afternoon.
Vaccinations are this coming Monday and Tuesday at the Helix.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know it for an absolute fact as their mother told me and said they were not in cohort 7 . She asked about my daughter in cohort 7 because hers are not and got called .

You do not know for an absolute fact.

Not every young adult shares every aspect of their medical details with their mother. If they are over 18, their mother does not have access to their medical files.

I reckon if first doses for under 30s don't start til August it'll be very hard to get herd immunity. Healthy people.in their 20s aren't worrying too much about covid from their own point of view, and the excitement and eagerness to get vaccines as society still isn't open will have waned. Summer foreign holidays won't be possible as second doses won't start til September which could result in much poorer uptake than forecast.

eoinbn wrote: »

We aren't expected to get an increase from Pfizer in August. We might get one from Moderna as they will have finished their original contract with the US. Sweden is expecting 3m doses in Q3 from Moderna. Ireland might not have taken up all of our Modena allocation so I can't say how much we would get in Q3. It is possible that we could get 100-150k per week in the second half of Q3.

The reason why first doses will jump in August is as follows...

If we need to use our supply for second doses in July then we won't be doing many first doses in July. No first doses in July means no second doses in August which means we can use August's supply for first doses.

With that considered it sounds like we might hit a similar scenario as we get into September where we're prioritising second doses for the 30 - 34 cohort? Doesn't inspire massive confidence in getting doses down into the twenties before summer is out and with all the talk from Harris of third level resuming as normal in September as well as major events like Electric Picnic that'll be overwhelmingly attended by the people in their twenties, it's not ideal.

Very frustrating, feeling quite blindsided by this, never considered that the rollout would end up slowing in the coming months. We have no indication what threshold we need to get past before Holohan and the government decide to let us loose properly so this might end up dragging on for weeks or months longer than I thought it would.

lucernarian wrote: »

This is all a bit of a red herring. A few friends of mine have all been offered spare doses / put on "reserve lists" for the day and I guess I can only take their word that they were not vaccinated yet because they had no underlying conditions, but why would they lie about that? Most of them if they had susceptible conditions, would have been vaccinated a month or so before, like one friend's husband.

It seems to me like the most likely explanation is that doctors, for better or worse, are picking additional people to add to their list for vaccine orders.

No secrets in my local GP, they are doing everyone over 18. Nurse told me they got all their vulnerable patients done and are getting a steady supply of Pfizer.

I'm 24 no underlying illnesses and have been jabbed. So have almost all 20 years olds in my town.

I thought increased Pfizer was on the way after the increase in capacity in the Puurs plant in Belgium roughly 3 weeks ago. It said at the time there would be an immediate impact but reading over the last couple of pages its looking quite bleak if you want vaxxed and are young for the majority of the summer.

lucernarian wrote: »

No great gain? So we shouldn't do it? I think it might be harder to prioritise those who had no confirmed covid infection, unless administration was done on an ongoing basis with GPs who knew what patients they could rule out via positive test results. Sounds unworkable tbh, but I like the idea in principle.

The original proposal was to stop older groups being put at risk and vaccinations have taken care of that. As we are now about to register the 35-39, all it would do is just swap in the under 30s instead. That really makes no sense now in a system working downwards in age but it did as a possible option back in February.

‘The morning after the night before’: I’m happy to report zero side effects since having my second shot of Pfizer yesterday. Just a slight tender arm.

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

None of the above is true. They have been asked to move through the age groups also since the start of June. And they are not required to wait for whatever age the local MVC is at either, just get them out as quick as they can.

Not true. GPs can give can spare doses to younger people to avoid wastage. They cannot order doses for those people.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/gps-get-power-to-use-spare-vaccines-on-younger-cohorts-40489901.html

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Well they have been allowed to do so since the start of June, and have been doing so, regardless of what any article on the Independent says. ICGP confirmed this to all GPs in late May.

ICGP don't call the shots. As far as I am aware there has been no change in official policy.
Doesn't really bother me that much. I have no issue waiting a month longer. Others might feel different.

eoinbn wrote: »

ICGP don't call the shots. As far as I am aware there has been no change in official policy.
Doesn't really bother me that much. I have no issue waiting a month longer. Others might feel different.

I'm well aware ICGP don't call the shots, but they are going to provide GPs with the correct information and not disseminate something they made up on the fly.

Fact of the matter is that GPs have been asked to assist, on a voluntary basis since the start of this month, with the age based rollout if they are finished their at risk groups, and can move down the age groups as quickly as their practice capacity can allow.

What's the current projection for end of July vaccine wise?

delly wrote: »

That article is nearly 3 weeks old and in the current post cyber attack period and delta, it may as well be 3 months old. As I said, unless you are connected to the process, any views of it being right or wrong are conjecture. But if practices are not making it a secret, you can be damn sure it's done with HSE approval.
It doesn't stop the begrudging attitude though, of what is a logical approach to increasing jabs that would otherwise have to wait.

Is there more supply at present than MVCs can handle i.e. the constraint on the general rollout programme isn't vaccine supply but what the MVCs can get through per day?
That seems to be implied by your post.

seamus wrote: »

They always will have that choice. There has never been a mandatory vaccination programme.

Any rollout will be done through the schools, but will require parental consent for all students under 18.

What I meant is that I hope that Ireland do not decide that they won't offer the Vaccines to Ages 12-15. That Parents here will have the choice of getting their children vaccinated.

If it is done through the schools, I hope that they include Primary school children who are aged 12+.