Covid-19 likely to be man made

Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »

My understanding is that what they're basically doing is combining properties of viruses that occur naturally, because they expect that the same combination will appear in nature in a single virus in the near future.

That's exactly what they are doing, and testing the hybrid viruses on humanized mice to see if they cause disease.

geospatial wrote: »

That's exactly what they are doing, and testing the hybrid viruses on humanized mice to see if they cause disease.

honest question: what does humanized mice mean?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, but we don't know yet. Doesn't matter how "appealing" a theory is, or how fun it is to speculate in that direction, we have to wait for credible evidence.

Didn't stop a rush to judgement with no credible evidence in February 2020, which if you were being kind you would say was due to an "appealing" theory. If you were being unkind you would say the scientific consensus of natural origin was actually the consensus of one scientist, who convinced others to make hasty judgements and public statements. Many of them now regret that and have jumped off the natural origins bus and onto the could be either bus.

tara73 wrote: »

sounds disgusting from an ethical point of view(no attack on you as a poster explaining it, thanks for that).

From my perspective - when you eat a burger, you ingest roughly the equivalent of the meat of 6 mice.


Using mice in, say, cancer research makes more sense to me - as a vegetarian - than using meat for food, which is equally unethical, wasteful, and completely unnecessary.

the virus is extra terrestrial, and was released for a two fold reason in preparation for the big reveal of ET life, coming soon...
1) to immunise the human population to the virus we would be exposed to at the big reveal
2) lockdown was a cover to allow various nations to build and test infrastructure to facilitate the forthcoming encounters

Bearing in mind I have no basis for this, not even a Bitchute or 4chan thread link as it is so top secret, I got it sent to me by accident in a misguided telepathy signal from misconfigured 5G base station that has been "testing" mm wave technology...

credentials: engineer who doesn't melt beams with kerosene but merely transforms them during their malleable state

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There was little evidence of an accidental lab-leak, ergo it wasn't considered a likely theory in early 2020.

There were however a million conspiracy theories floating around, many of which were using "lab-leak" as a base (it was a "bioweapon" released on purpose, etc).

Come to think of it, I don't think there's been a "accidental lab-leak" thread on this forum. It's been tacked onto all the "it was man-made" threads. And suddenly we have all these "new users" popping up supporting it now objectively looking at the situation

And no one was talking about Gain of Function cover ups until after it was brought up in the mainstream media.

King Mob wrote: »

And no one was talking about Gain of Function cover ups until after it was brought up in the mainstream media.

The Satan/NWO/Elites/Bill Gates caused Covid not working out for you? rename and support the lab-leak theory.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I checked some of those Twitter accounts on the "DRASTIC" team, I wouldn't agree, for example, one of the team members:
https://twitter.com/still_a_nerd

Correct, there are some headcases associated with the group, but it is Twitter after all. There are five worth following. They freely admit themselves that some of their members are fringe, also some others who claim to be members are not members. So, let's see if they have added any value in trying to get to the truth of Covid origin.

They were the ones who discovered that RaTG13 had been sequenced years earlier by the WIV under a different name. Months after this was announced, the WIV issued an addendum to their February paper confirming this was the case and that they had been studying 8 other SARS like viruses previously undisclosed.

They were the ones who discovered the masters and PhD theses on the miners who fell ill in 2012 in Yunnan, prompting the visits to the area where they were working. The WIV later confirmed this was the site where they collected RaTG13 and other SARS like viruses. The PhD thesis says they tested positive for SARS, the WIV say they had a fungal infection, only one can be right.

They were the ones who exposed Peter Daszak as wrong (or lying ) when he claimed the WIV had not studied RaTG13 as "it wasn't interesting". He later admitted he was misinformed. This is the same person who said the WHO didn't need to look at lab data because he "knew what they were doing".

They were the ones who discovered evidence that the WIV were conducting gain of function experiments on SARS like viruses that were known to infect humans, in BSL-2 labs.

We would have known none of this as the WIV will disclose nothing unless they are forced to. So have they added value in the search for the truth? I would say yes, a view held by many credible scientists. Unless you think Alina Chan, Jesse Bloom, David Relman, and the others who signed the letter to Science calling for a new investigation are not credible scientists, and they all credit DRASTIC.

geospatial wrote: »

An email from an eminent virologist to Dr Fauci on January 31st 2020 stating in his opinion the virus looked engineered isn't evidence? So there was evidence, it just wasn't disclosed. Where else would an engineered virus come from other than a lab?

It's not really evidence, it's speculation based on info at the time. As more info emerges, that can (and usually will) change.

What there is evidence of is a concerted effort to push the natural origin hypothesis in Feb 2020 onwards and label any connection to the WIV a conspiracy theory.

Scientists and virologists looked at the virus and the majority of them didn't see anything altered or "man-made" about it, ergo it was widely considered the virus was probably zoonotic in origin. The fact that it could have accidentally escaped from a lab wasn't ruled out.

The issue was, conspiracy theorists often latched onto the accidental lab-leak theory in order to spread more far-fetched theories, e.g. "deliberately released man-made bioweapon". Dealing with one on this forum has often meant dealing with the other.

geospatial wrote: »

But we know now that statement is not true. The narrative you are repeating was created by Peter Daszak in his letter to Nature in February 2020, after campaigning to some fellow scientists since Feb 1. It would be good to know what they discussed in early February, but that information is redacted from released emails (I wonder why?). Most of those signing his letter either worked at EcoHeath like himself or were involved in gain of function research similar to the work at WIV. It claims that "scientists from multiple countries.. overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife", and condemned any suggestion that the virus did not a have a natural origin as a conspiracy theory. Along with thanking the WIV for their open sharing of data (they took all their data off their public server Sept 2019. I wonder why?).

Daszak has now been exposed as a complete fraud who's sole interest was protecting the WIV from scrutiny. He references several papers in his letter, all bar one are studies of the genome that confirmed the virus originated at some point in history in a bat. Not quite a stunning disclosure, we knew it was a SARS virus January week 2 when the WIV released the genome. The one paper that ruled out lab origin by Anderson has since been shown to be absolute nonsense. Strangely enough if you review this thread it is the sole paper that posters point to as "overwhelming consensus of natural origin".

CT nonsense. No one's been exposed as a 'complete fraud.' He's a legitimate scientist studying bat viruses that's been scapegoated because of his association with the lab in China (for 15 years, but apparently only last year mattered.) Here's a rebuttal from him, you'd do well to read it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02473-4

Igotadose wrote: »

CT nonsense. No one's been exposed as a 'complete fraud.' He's a legitimate scientist studying bat viruses that's been scapegoated because of his association with the lab in China (for 15 years, but apparently only last year mattered.) Here's a rebuttal from him, you'd do well to read it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02473-4

I have read it, in August 2020 when it was published. Have we learned nothing about Peter Daszak since then? Doesn't sound like you have, as all the evidence of his involvement in protecting the WIV from scrutiny has emerged since then.

The NIH asked him to arrange an inspection of the WIV, he described this request as "heinous". So he didn't want any investigation of a lab leak, did he?
Why is that?

When the WHO finally got in to the WIV in March 2021, he was the sole US representative and "investigated" the lab leak. Who do you think insisted he would be the sole US investigator?

Did he or did he not orchestrate a campaign to falsely claim evidence for natural origin and claim a lab origin hypothesis was a conspiracy theory? Starting on February 1, when literally nothing was known about origin (we don't know a lot more even now).The emails are in the public record if you want to read them.

Why did he claim to know about all the research in WIV and gave this as the reason not to ask for their data in the March 2021 investigation, and later had to admit he was misinformed by the WIV on the work they had done on RaTG13, the closest known relative to SARS-CoV-2.

Why did he fail to disclose in the article you posted that the research he was funding was gain of function? He claimed they just collect bat viruses and see if they are dangerous. That's completely disingenuous, they were building hybrid viruses to see how well they infected humans.

Why has he deleted tweets that claimed the WIV had no live bats in their labs?
Anything to do with evidence that has emerged that they had bats in their lab?

Do you think he has any conflict of interest? Why would he oppose an investigation to find the origin of a virus that has killed almost 4 million people? Why would he not ask the WIV to provide the data that could exonerate them? Surely that would be in their interest and his interest?

My characterization of Daszak is based on a thorough analysis of his public pronouncements since February 2020, and recent publicly available material. I stick by it.

WhomadeGod wrote: »

If this wuhan lab theory proves correct and it turns out China, fauci and others covered this up what then?

This is on levels of mistruth and lying to the masses on par with the Weapons of Mass Destruction lie to go into the middle East.
Arguably even bigger.

If it leaked from a lab, and if Chinese officials knew of this, then it would be China covering it up. The Chinese government isn't exactly a bastion of honesty, so it wouldn't be earthshatteringly surprising.

It would be extremely unlikely they'd volunteer that information to other countries.

silliussoddius wrote: »

The lab theory can be correct without Fauci being involved, why the need to pull him into it?

Because he was involved in funding research there while being one of the most vocal opponents of that theory last few months? All the while discussing possibility privately with other scientists?