Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Lucas Hood · 16-06-2021 07:40PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1405233075672526849?s=19

16-06-2021 07:44PM

lastusername wrote: »

What do people think about one of the inventors of mRNA expressing concerns about the vaccines?

I'd question your motivations first.

lastusername · 16-06-2021 07:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd question your motivations first.

None other than doing my research having already registered for an mRNA vaccine!

Strazdas · 16-06-2021 07:46PM

Lucas Hood wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1405233075672526849?s=19

50,000 vaccinations a day is phenomenal : well over 1% of the adult population every day.

lastusername · 16-06-2021 07:49PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Is he one of the inventors?
He seems to have done some of the early research in the 1980s but when I search for him as being 'one of the inventors' ... well I only get hits on his own website, profiles or posts.
So what do the other 100 people who did similar work say?
And the ones who invented the vaccines?

If he has that much knowledge in the area shouldnt he be able to do more than just 'express concerns' but prove them to the medical authorities and other scientists?
This is not something for the court of public opinion.

He says quite a bit here (early part of the video): https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY

odyssey06 · 16-06-2021 07:57PM

lastusername wrote: »

He says quite a bit here (early part of the video): https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY

Yeah so he has nothing solid and is now just shilling on dodgy youtube videos.
I refer you to my previous post.

Fact checked as false
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/16/youtube-videos/no-sign-covid-19-vaccines-spike-protein-toxic-or-c/

Maybe upgrade your fact check radar before making disingenuous claims with nothing to back them up with than these kinds of youtube videos.

eoinbn · 16-06-2021 07:58PM

lastusername wrote: »

What do people think about one of the inventors of mRNA expressing concerns about the vaccines?

I haven't watched the full podcast, I have been trying for the last few days but the guy on the right is hard to stomach, but that wasn't take.
He doesn't have an issue with mRNA or mRNA vaccines. He has an issue with vaccines that target the Sars 2 spike protein as the spike protein is toxic. The vaccine makes the body produce the spike protein so effectively it is creating a toxin which can have serious side effects.
So he has the same concerns for most other covid vaccines.

km79 · 16-06-2021 08:04PM

Has anyone had discomfort under armpit a week after vaccine !
I noticed it last night in the arm I got vaccine in . When I was lying on it in bed. Still there today . I googled and it is a known side effect but I assumed it would have been more immediate ?

jaja321 · 16-06-2021 08:08PM

Have an appointment for the Aviva tomorrow at 3pm..anyone know the current situation with wait times/queuing etc? Trying to figure out what time i should aim to be there for.

Thanks

Umpalumpa · 16-06-2021 08:10PM

jaja321 wrote: »

Have an appointment for the Aviva tomorrow at 3pm..anyone know the current situation with wait times/queuing etc? Trying to figure out what time i should aim to be there for.

Thanks

Appointment at 3!aim to be there at 3

astrofool · 16-06-2021 08:27PM

eoinbn wrote: »

I haven't watched the full podcast, I have been trying for the last few days but the guy on the right is hard to stomach, but that wasn't take.
He doesn't have an issue with mRNA or mRNA vaccines. He has an issue with vaccines that target the Sars 2 spike protein as the spike protein is toxic. The vaccine makes the body produce the spike protein so effectively it is creating a toxin which can have serious side effects.
So he has the same concerns for most other covid vaccines.

Is this where the flying spike protein idiocy started or just a continuation of it?

Cork2021 · 16-06-2021 08:54PM

Announcing 30-39 year olds HSE briefing tomorrow?

https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1405234213285158914?s=21

Lucas Hood · 16-06-2021 09:19PM

Vox using a picture of crowds on South William street in their latest video on variants.

https://youtu.be/Ha6yUxze1vk?t=358

16-06-2021 09:33PM

lastusername wrote: »

What do people think about one of the inventors of mRNA expressing concerns about the vaccines?

Kaitlin kariko or Drew Weissman said no such thing

Charles Babbage · 16-06-2021 10:03PM

Curevac seems banjaxed
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/curevac-covid-shot-falls-short-with-47-efficacy-in-early-result

The German company CureVac delivered disappointing preliminary results on Wednesday from a clinical trial of its Covid-19 vaccine, dimming hopes that it could help fill the world’s great need.

The trial, which included 40,000 volunteers in Latin America and Europe, estimated that CureVac’s mRNA vaccine had an efficacy of just 47 percent, among the lowest reported so far from any Covid-19 vaccine maker. The trial will continue as researchers monitor volunteers for new cases of Covid-19, with a final analysis expected in two to three weeks

Only one case was the original variant with a lot of cases of the lambda variant and this likely explains at lot of the poor results.

Jim_Hodge · 16-06-2021 10:08PM

lastusername wrote: »

None other than doing my research having already registered for an mRNA vaccine!

You were told in the thread you opened on this point where you should take it.

JRant · 16-06-2021 10:11PM

Caquas wrote: »

I’m glad to hear this but I called the HSE hotline the other day and they said I would be waiting until early July at least and more likely mid-July.

Not the end of the world, of course, but it does make a mockery of that plan for 16 cohorts that was produced with such effort a couple of months ago.

The dose gap was known at the time you were given your first shot. Now they are pushing back first dose deployment to accommodate all those AZ second jabs and bring the timelines in. So, while you have your first shot and very likely to have a second in the next couple of weeks there is still a large percentage of the population with no vaccine and being pushed out further to accommodate the older cohorts again. Looks like the best of both worlds really.

Jim_Hodge · 16-06-2021 10:13PM

lastusername wrote: »

He says quite a bit here (early part of the video): https://youtu.be/-_NNTVJzqtY

He can say all he likes but he's not the inventor, nor one of them. He's an early researcher at best and 40 years behind. But he suits your narrative.

16-06-2021 10:27PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

He can say all he likes but he's not the inventor, nor one of them. He's an early researcher at best and 40 years behind. But he suits your narrative.

In the early days of the internet I had the idea to have a unique online barcode from an post that you could print out at home for your post. I neither had the drive or the ability to do anything more. If I was like Dr Malone I could claim I invented the postage stamp.

eoinbn · 16-06-2021 10:30PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac seems banjaxed
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/curevac-covid-shot-falls-short-with-47-efficacy-in-early-result

The German company CureVac delivered disappointing preliminary results on Wednesday from a clinical trial of its Covid-19 vaccine, dimming hopes that it could help fill the world’s great need.

The trial, which included 40,000 volunteers in Latin America and Europe, estimated that CureVac’s mRNA vaccine had an efficacy of just 47 percent, among the lowest reported so far from any Covid-19 vaccine maker. The trial will continue as researchers monitor volunteers for new cases of Covid-19, with a final analysis expected in two to three weeks

Only one case was the original variant with a lot of cases of the lambda variant and this likely explains at lot of the poor results.

Ouch. It was expected to be much weaker than the other 2 mRNA vaccines but 47%... I was expecting 65%-70%.
Have we any figures for other vaccines against the lamba variant?
If the vaccine is just rubbish then production should be stopped and the facilities given to other manufacturers.
They do have another version in production which looks much better in lab trials. Now we know why they made that info public.

josip · 16-06-2021 10:34PM

lastusername wrote: »

What do people think about one of the inventors of mRNA expressing concerns about the vaccines?

At this stage about the same as Tony expressing concerns tbh.
I don't care if I never hear that expression again in my life.

landofthetree · 16-06-2021 10:36PM

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1405277314900905984

Vaccine working better than expected

ShineOn7 · 16-06-2021 10:46PM

josip wrote: »

At this stage about the same as Tony expressing concerns tbh.

Tony expressed concerns about the vaccines?

Charles Babbage · 16-06-2021 10:50PM

eoinbn wrote: »

Ouch. It was expected to be much weaker than the other 2 mRNA vaccines but 47%... I was expecting 65%-70%.
Have we any figures for other vaccines against the lamba variant?
If the vaccine is just rubbish then production should be stopped and the facilities given to other manufacturers.
They do have another version in production which looks much better in lab trials. Now we know why they made that info public.

I seem to recall that they had some provision that if they didn't make it, and they might not even submit it for approval at those levels, then they would subcontract to produce the Biontech vaccine. Doing this and concentrating on version 2 might be the best thing to do.

eoinbn · 16-06-2021 10:57PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I seem to recall that they had some provision that if they didn't make it, and they might not even submit it for approval at those levels, then they would subcontract to produce the Biontech vaccine. Doing this and concentrating on version 2 might be the best thing to do.

I remember reading the same. I would still support the EU helping to fund their vaccine program, if needed, as we need options.
This had been on the cards. Rumours as far back as November suggested than it had under performed in comparison to BioNtech in triggering the effective immune response.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 16-06-2021 11:39PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac seems banjaxed
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-16/curevac-covid-shot-falls-short-with-47-efficacy-in-early-result

The German company CureVac delivered disappointing preliminary results on Wednesday from a clinical trial of its Covid-19 vaccine, dimming hopes that it could help fill the world’s great need.

The trial, which included 40,000 volunteers in Latin America and Europe, estimated that CureVac’s mRNA vaccine had an efficacy of just 47 percent, among the lowest reported so far from any Covid-19 vaccine maker. The trial will continue as researchers monitor volunteers for new cases of Covid-19, with a final analysis expected in two to three weeks

Only one case was the original variant with a lot of cases of the lambda variant and this likely explains at lot of the poor results.

How are we looking for winter booster jabs if it comes to that?

Hopefully Moderna will be running at much bigger capacity by then. Haven't Pfizer front loaded Q4 vaccines to Q2?

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2021 12:29AM

Very surprising how poor the Curevac results are compared to Pfizer and Moderna. Was expecting similar if not better results.

Charles Babbage · 17-06-2021 12:42AM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

How are we looking for winter booster jabs if it comes to that?

Hopefully Moderna will be running at much bigger capacity by then. Haven't Pfizer front loaded Q4 vaccines to Q2?

Pfizer should have plenty of production, only one jab is needed as a booster, not two. The EU has basically signed up with Pfizer/Biotech, the only issue is that EU boosters might stop other places getting a first shot.

Lumen · 17-06-2021 06:05AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Very surprising how poor the Curevac results are compared to Pfizer and Moderna. Was expecting similar if not better results.

Can you cite a study of Pfizer or Modena against the lambda variant? Otherwise the results are not comparable.

17-06-2021 06:14AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Very surprising how poor the Curevac results are compared to Pfizer and Moderna. Was expecting similar if not better results.

It seems curevac use un-modified mRNA, different to the other two

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