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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #4412
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Could be wrong but other members of nphet seem very quiet about it, in fact did professor Nolan not want the use of them in college's.
    That's what he says/will say, according to the RTE article.


  • #4413
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ireland had something not too far away, down to LEA level, which is maybe 25k people
    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/8c8ba825c8774bca8cc57cbf3ec7774b

    But you may have heard of the massive cyber attack talking out the entire HSE IT infrastructure and possible understand that a reporting dashboard may not be top priority in terms of system recovery
    Germany had their dashboard up and running months before the HSE systems went down. I've been looking at it for many, many months along with daily updates as to how many people are immunized, ICU beds availability and additional stations are available.


  • #4414
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Germany had their dashboard up and running months before the HSE systems went down. I've been looking at it for many, many months along with daily updates as to how many people are immunized, ICU beds availability and additional stations are available.

    Ireland had theirs up and running for many months too before the hack .


  • #4415
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,945 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. :)https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4416
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    seamus wrote: »
    We just don't know where this is going to go yet. There's typically a 2-4 week lag between case rises and deaths. The UK is starting to see an increase in hospitalisations, and our past experience is that deaths will surely follow.

    But with the vaccine (even one dose) theoretically providing that extra protection against serious illness and death, it's really a waiting game now to see what happens next.

    The rate of admission to hospital has gone up by about a third from ~85 to ~140 per day but the numbers in hospital are flat - this is over the last 6 weeks, I can't reconcile this.

    Given that the delta variant accounts for 7 out of 8 cases already I think this has already peaked.

    June 12th - 8k cases
    June 13th - 7.6k cases
    June 14th - 7.3k cases
    June 15th - 7.6k cases


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  • #4417
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. :)https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

    That would be great if it works out ! :)


  • #4418
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Seeing that this is the main pandemic thread, Electric Picnic has now being pushed to the end of September for the dates 24th - 26th, here's hoping this will go ahead now. :)https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/electric-picnic/641694/breaking-electric-picnic-applies-for-licence-to-hold-the-festival-this-year-on-new-dates.html

    That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

    Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

    I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead


  • #4419
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    That would be great if it works out ! :)

    I have zero interest in going to EP personally but it would be just brilliant to see it going ahead. That level of normality returning would be a real morale boost.


  • #4420
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

    Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

    I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0615/1228265-boost-of-25-million-for-festivals-and-gigs/

    Do you want Ketchup or Mayo with that?


  • #4421
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0615/1228265-boost-of-25-million-for-festivals-and-gigs/

    Do you want Ketchup or Mayo with that?

    In fairness that has no statement as to whether its going ahead or not, just that MCD were allocated funding. Most of those grants were for "online events" so EP could end up doing something similar if restrictions dont allow them to go ahead.

    Hopefully they can


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  • #4422
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmyntc wrote: »
    In fairness that has no statement as to whether its going ahead or not, just that MCD were allocated funding. Most of those grants were for "online events" so EP could end up doing something similar if restrictions dont allow them to go ahead.

    Hopefully they can
    EP Republic Limited Festival Republic Dublin €423,135 Live music and theatre shows, comedy acts and arts in Stradbally Hall and Olympia Theatre

    This is specific funding for specific events to enable the promoters to ensure they can be ran effectively


  • #4423
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,384 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    NPHET answering questions at the Oireachtas committee.

    As we all know Oireachtas committees are a fine advertisement for our well informed and knowledgeable politicians.

    "You're on mute Senator."

    "You're still on mute Senator."


  • #4424
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,384 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Great stuff there from Michael McNamara.

    Spent thirty seconds on mute and then asked a question that had already been asked and answered.

    What a dude.


  • #4425
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.
    Like when your mum tells you not to play in traffic, and you decide she obviously doesn't know what she's talking about because you didn't get hit.


  • #4426
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That seems unbelievably optimistic for Ireland

    Not a chance actually, after seeing that childish setup called a trial event last week

    I’ll eat my hat if EP goes ahead
    That's about 4 months away and then there is the fund mentioned above.


  • #4427
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Arghus wrote: »
    Great stuff there from Michael McNamara.

    Spent thirty seconds on mute and then asked a question that had already been asked and answered.

    What a dude.

    Politicians at committees always ask a question that has been previously asked. This practice has been in place for decades. They do this so they verifiably say to their people and put on their election leaflets that they asked X. Showing they "care" about Y.


  • #4428
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Tony has today said that antigen tests should not be used as a 'green light' for "risky activities" per the Irish Times.

    I'm still waiting to hear the impact of the previous risky activities, which were so risky he was 'absolutely shocked', as opposed to having only previously been 'shocked' or 'worried'.

    He should be asked to explain why there appears to be no spike as a result of what happened that weekend, otherwise he is not going to sound like an authority on what is a risky activity.
    Ficheall wrote: »
    Like when your mum tells you not to play in traffic, and you decide she obviously doesn't know what she's talking about because you didn't get hit.

    Excellent! But hold on - isn't my point that nobody appears to have got hit? :rolleyes:


  • #4429
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Excellent! But hold on - isn't my point that nobody appears to have got hit? :rolleyes:
    Actually, your point is a common disingenuous misrepresentation of what that tweet actually said. Everyone is saying, "whERe is THe spiKE" even though Tony never said there would be.

    His actual words were, "Enormous crowds- like a major open air party. This is what we do not need when we have made so much progress."

    There was no prediction of a big spike. I'm not going to say he wasn't overstating it a bit, but his rationale is sound; it is/was too early for large uncontrolled public gatherings. One incident of a few hundred people on a street may not cause a measurable spike. But the same scenes repeated across the country on a nightly basis, could and likely would lead to new spikes.

    But keep on claiming that one example of running in front of a car without being hit proves that it's safe for everyone to run in front of cars.


  • #4430
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually, your point is a common disingenuous misrepresentation of what that tweet actually said. Everyone is saying, "whERe is THe spiKE" even though Tony never said there would be.

    His actual words were, "Enormous crowds- like a major open air party. This is what we do not need when we have made so much progress."

    There was no prediction of a big spike. I'm not going to say he wasn't overstating it a bit, but his rationale is sound; it is/was too early for large uncontrolled public gatherings. One incident of a few hundred people on a street may not cause a measurable spike. But the same scenes repeated across the country on a nightly basis, could and likely would lead to new spikes.

    But keep on claiming that one example of running in front of a car without being hit proves that it's safe for everyone to run in front of cars.

    But if, by your own admission there was no spike from said event - how can you say its too early for it? The lack of a spike is proof of the low level of risk - so the fact that it all went off swimmingly is surely proof enough that it was not "too early".

    Really the onus is on yourself to provide evidence that outdoor gatherings run a risk of spikes in covid numbers - because time and time again throughout the pandemic we have had the warnings and the condemnation - but never the spike. Outdoor gathering is safe.


  • #4431
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually, your point is a common disingenuous misrepresentation of what that tweet actually said. Everyone is saying, "whERe is THe spiKE" even though Tony never said there would be.

    His actual words were, "Enormous crowds- like a major open air party. This is what we do not need when we have made so much progress."

    There was no prediction of a big spike. I'm not going to say he wasn't overstating it a bit, but his rationale is sound; it is/was too early for large uncontrolled public gatherings. One incident of a few hundred people on a street may not cause a measurable spike. But the same scenes repeated across the country on a nightly basis, could and likely would lead to new spikes.

    But keep on claiming that one example of running in front of a car without being hit proves that it's safe for everyone to run in front of cars.
    I agree with your general point but those scenes have been happening in Dublin city for weeks (nigh on months at this point, it was jammers in early April), and continued in the weekends after his comment, to no discernable affect on numbers. Whilst it would be better if the gatherings were far more spread than a few streets, it does bring into question whether outdoors is at all risky.

    The 'outrage' at times has often been weeks behind the scenes on the ground. Was the same with takeaway pints earlier in the pandemic. You've got one group of society shocked and appalled when its brought to their attention, and another group wondering how its taken them so long to notice.


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  • #4432
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    timmyntc wrote: »
    But if, by your own admission there was no spike from said event - how can you say its too early for it? The lack of a spike is proof of the low level of risk - so the fact that it all went off swimmingly is surely proof enough that it was not "too early".

    Really the onus is on yourself to provide evidence that outdoor gatherings run a risk of spikes in covid numbers - because time and time again throughout the pandemic we have had the warnings and the condemnation - but never the spike. Outdoor gathering is safe.

    Onus is on coronavirus :pac: hindsight e^20/20


  • #4433
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    So basically NEPHETs stance is that it's better to catch zero cases than some cases. Tony said that countries using Antigen tests for travel were countries that don't have PCR testing capacity. That's a flat out lie ?


  • #4434
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    So basically NEPHETs stance is that it's better to catch zero cases than some cases. Tony said that countries using Antigen tests for travel were countries that don't have PCR testing capacity. That's a flat out lie ?

    For travel, gold standard is best. It's pandemic for a reason.


  • #4435
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0615/1228265-boost-of-25-million-for-festivals-and-gigs/

    Do you want Ketchup or Mayo with that?

    Seriously, why are you so arrogant and condescending towards people?

    So what if he/she thinks its too optimistic for it to go ahead, especially after last week's embarrassment in the Iveagh Gardens?

    It's a valid opinion!


  • #4436
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    timmyntc wrote: »
    But if, by your own admission there was no spike from said event - how can you say its too early for it? The lack of a spike is proof of the low level of risk - so the fact that it all went off swimmingly is surely proof enough that it was not "too early".

    Really the onus is on yourself to provide evidence that outdoor gatherings run a risk of spikes in covid numbers - because time and time again throughout the pandemic we have had the warnings and the condemnation - but never the spike. Outdoor gathering is safe.

    Its only proof if you know there were infected individuals in the crowd.

    If there was 1000 people on the street and the covid rate in Dublin was 100 per 100,000, a random 1,000 people would have 1 case. But the likelihood is that a large portion - say 50% would be isolating. So a single event, in isolation, is highly unlikely to influence numbers


  • #4437
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Antigen testing pick up cases.

    NPHET, whose raison d'etre has been to identify as many cases as possible for the purposes of isolation, has decided not to use a tool that can pick up at least some positive cases (which may include the Indian variant).

    It's the stupidest thing to come out of NPHET yet.

    I have no doubt a future inquiry will be all over this.


  • #4438
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Seriously, why are you so arrogant and condescending towards people?

    So what if he/she thinks its too optimistic for it to go ahead, especially after last week's embarrassment in the Iveagh Gardens?

    It's a valid opinion!

    Excuse me!

    He did not say it was optimistic for it to go ahead. He said he would eat his hat if it went ahead. And I pointed it out that 25million in funding was made available to ensure such events could go ahead. Now thats a large commitment that they want such events to go ahead. So I advised that he may like some condiments with his hat, because I am optimistic that a commitment has been signalled.

    And in what way is that condescending?


  • #4439
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    eskimohunt wrote: »
    Antigen testing pick up cases.

    NPHET, whose raison d'etre has been to identify as many cases as possible for the purposes of isolation, has decided not to use a tool that can pick up at least some positive cases (which may include the Indian variant).

    It's the stupidest thing to come out of NPHET yet.

    I have no doubt a future inquiry will be all over this.

    List of EU countries and type of test required for travel:
    https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/pcr-covid-testing-travel-eur


  • #4440
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its only proof if you know there were infected individuals in the crowd.

    If there was 1000 people on the street and the covid rate in Dublin was 100 per 100,000, a random 1,000 people would have 1 case. But the likelihood is that a large portion - say 50% would be isolating. So a single event, in isolation, is highly unlikely to influence numbers

    But its not a single event - as previously mentioned, these types of gatherings have been happening for months. All manner of street drinking, protests/marches etc, "the scenes in salthill" and no spikes.

    If it is the case that 50% of people would likely be isolating, then surely that gives plenty of credence to the idea that outdoor gatherings are low risk anyways? As there is less chance of a sick person being around in the first place!


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  • #4441
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Renjit wrote: »
    List of EU countries and type of test required for travel:
    https://www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/pcr-covid-testing-travel-eur
    404 error!


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