Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Larbre34 wrote: »

Besides which the 30 limit is being neither observed nor enforced which just serves as a reminder what a farce the Traffic Dept of DCC have overseen all over the City this past year.

Not to mention a reminder that a sizable percentage of people in their cars feel they can do what they want, despite the law and without concern for the safety of other road users.

yascaoimhin wrote: »

Regardless, road safety is not and should not be a popularity contest.

This is exactly the point. Should we have had a popularity contest to decide on:

- Mandatory seat belt wearing?
- Drink diriving limit?
- The workplace smoking ban?

Effects wrote: »

It just shows up what little regard drivers have for traffic laws actually.

Maybe instead of moaning to DCC, you could ask the Gardaí to do something about the situation.

Everyone knows that Owen Keegan is responsible for enforcing speed limits, right? The worlds problems is his fault according to Sandymount motorists.

It’s actually a ridiculous position to take. Rather than tackle the issue of non-enforcement, it’s better to have more dangerous roads.

Paddigol wrote: »

I'm not sure what that is meant to mean? Successful trolling? More's the pity people can't engage in good faith debate/ discussion on line without resorting to that.

Anyway, I think it's quite obvious that this is just the start of a roll back of car culture. It has been ingrained in our consciousness for so many decades that it will take years for us to make real progress, but the speed at which pedestrian and cycling infrastructure is popping up/ being improved in priority to car use is clear to anyone in Dublin.

The future is bright.

What good quality cycling infrastructure has been built in Dublin? I can think of two short stretches by the canals and the Clontarf to Sutton route. Rest is just a few bollards along the patchy bits of cycle lane that already existed.

cgcsb wrote: »

What good quality cycling infrastructure has been built in Dublin? I can think of two short stretches by the canals and the Clontarf to Sutton route. Rest is just a few bollards along the patchy bits of cycle lane that already existed.

Well, I didn't say it was good :pac:

But there is a lot of it in the last 12 months. I see it a bit like our cafe culture. Time was when great coffee was a plunger in Bewleys rather than instant in a mug. Then came the likes of Insomnia... not great, but a recognition of changing times and paved the wide for excellent range now.

Stark wrote: »

The Blackrock to Sandycove route is fantastic to be fair. North quays is a decent improvement over what was there. The various pieces could link up better (too many cross overs) but some really nice sections like Inn's quay/Ormond's quay. The new Royal canal section from Sheriff street to North strand road is short but very high quality and hopefully will continue on to Phibsborough in the next few years (it's cycle-able at the moment but not very wide). Baldoyle to Pormarnock is good as is Ashtown to Castleknock. The grand canal greenway would be amazing if it wasn't for the anti-social behaviour The general plans for DLR in the next few years look very exciting if they go ahead.

Yes blackrock to sandycove is good but poor quality surface, granted it's a temporary surface. There is also the south quays between City Quay and Capital Dock. So add that in and there's about 35km of good quality cycle route in Dublin. 100% of it built along bodies of water and mostly on land that was otherwise unused or taken from pedestrian space.

I wouldn't consider the temporary set up on the North quays to be good, or even a reasonable quality. It achieves segregation but the width is variable, mostly sub standard and most importantly the Junctions remain dangerous particularly the dumb cross over at Inns Quay. Also at the Capel Street Junction cars have a green to turn right onto the bridge same time as cyclists have green to go straight ahead. I note that DCC find this accepatable though because one of their 'good' design cycleways does this at Lombard/Townsend junction where cars have green to turn left while the segregated cycle way is green for straight on. I guess they want someone to be killed first before changing it. All in we've about 35k of cycle routes that meet minimum standards. There are plans to add 100s of km to that with bus connects but like most plans in Dublin, unlikely to happen.

Paddigol wrote: »

Anyway, I think it's quite obvious that this is just the start of a roll back of car culture. It has been ingrained in our consciousness for so many decades that it will take years for us to make real progress, but the speed at which pedestrian and cycling infrastructure is popping up/ being improved in priority to car use is clear to anyone in Dublin.

I had to go in a few times a week for medical appointments. Clonskeagh road is definitely an improvement, but it seems like all the pedestrian/ cycling lights have much greater priority on that route (and the N11). Albeit I was mainly off peak - I don't know whether that is reflective peak times, but I think it is.

If it is, I think this is going to be a big thing that makes active commuting more attractive, as well as the obvious infrastructural improvements. And also much harder to argue against.

p15574 wrote: »

Wouldn't that result in all the traffic being diverted through the village via the other two roads around the green?

It’s really not a busy stretch of road.

Even Mannix not having a go - seems completely at odds to the opposition to the Strand Road initiative.

Effects wrote: »

Where's Labre34 when you need him to complain about something?

Down the four courts?

Presume the folks in Sandymount have no objection to this.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/sandymount-village-partly-pedestrianised-outdoor-20823115

had a nice little cycle from Sandymount to Killiney with a couple of guys from work, have to say quite pleasant and a decent little hill near the end. Signposting needs to be improved through, the other 2 would have completely missed the Booterstown park section.