Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Larbre34

Mannix is wrong about this one.

magicbastarder

well, don't this bate all ever.

Plans unveiled for €280m south Dublin cycle track network
South Dublin County Council has unveiled plans to become one of Ireland’s most cycle-friendly areas by laying out 263km of bike track over the next eight years.
At the core of the proposal is the aim of connecting the area’s schools and villages by creating a cycle network. The routes proposed would link 50 of the area’s 78 schools and connect Tallaght Town Centre with the council area’s nine villages.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plans-unveiled-for-280m-south-dublin-cycle-track-network-1.4535553

tomasrojo

magicbastarder wrote: »

well, don't this bate all ever.

Plans unveiled for €280m south Dublin cycle track network
South Dublin County Council has unveiled plans to become one of Ireland’s most cycle-friendly areas by laying out 263km of bike track over the next eight years.
At the core of the proposal is the aim of connecting the area’s schools and villages by creating a cycle network. The routes proposed would link 50 of the area’s 78 schools and connect Tallaght Town Centre with the council area’s nine villages.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plans-unveiled-for-280m-south-dublin-cycle-track-network-1.4535553

Quick, to the Mannixmobile!

CramCycle

tomasrojo wrote: »

Quick, to the Mannixmobile!

loyatemu

tomasrojo wrote: »

Quick, to the Mannixmobile!

not even his council, never mind his area.

yascaoimhin

tomasrojo wrote: »

https://irishcycle.com/2021/04/12/dublins-pedestrianisation-plan-will-face-court-challenge-if-done-quickly-warns-cllr-flynn/

Restaurant owner seems unhappy about being expected to participate in a punch-and-judy with Flynn

Never trust anyone who only considers the needs of disabled people who drive and not those who wheel, take public transport and those, shock horror, who cycle

Thelonious Monk

magicbastarder wrote: »

well, don't this bate all ever.

Plans unveiled for €280m south Dublin cycle track network
South Dublin County Council has unveiled plans to become one of Ireland’s most cycle-friendly areas by laying out 263km of bike track over the next eight years.
At the core of the proposal is the aim of connecting the area’s schools and villages by creating a cycle network. The routes proposed would link 50 of the area’s 78 schools and connect Tallaght Town Centre with the council area’s nine villages.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/plans-unveiled-for-280m-south-dublin-cycle-track-network-1.4535553

You would think that this kind of thing would really make a difference. If kids were able to cycle to school instead of being driven, without their parents worrying. This would make the traffic a lot better for everyone. That just needs to be drilled home to the Mannix's out there.

markpb

loyatemu wrote: »

not even his council, never mind his area.

That won't stop him. He's a concerned citizen.

MojoMaker

The bit I don't quite understand (apart from Mannix's devotion to challenging anything he hasn't thought of himself) is how come he is so sure any given project will automatically be defeated outside of due process? How is he so sure that he can speak from a position of authority?

Thelonious Monk

MojoMaker wrote: »

The bit I don't quite understand (apart from Mannix's devotion to challenging anything he hasn't thought of himself) is how come he is so sure any given project will automatically be defeated outside of due process? How is he so sure that he can speak from a position of authority?

He was right about Sandymount, and he may be right about this. Stopping cars having access to somewhere is seen as something really shocking and anti-business in Ireland.

Thelonious Monk

Weepsie wrote: »

But it's businesses that need this. Crying out for onstreet dining and such for cafes, pubs etc in ireland for the longest time.

The hoops and red tape small business have to go through to get even one bench or table outside their premises is just ridiculous

I know they do, Hugo's knows, but there seems to be a huge cohort out there who think "Keegan and his cycling agenda are ruining the city", and that restriction of cars will be the death of the city centre. Businesses in Fairview are already moaning about the cycling track because a few parking spaces will be lost and there will be temporary detours. It's truly bizarre but they are a voice that gets a lot of traction.

yascaoimhin

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

He was right about Sandymount, and he may be right about this. Stopping cars having access to somewhere is seen as something really shocking and anti-business in Ireland.

He wasn't right about Sandymount.

Seth Brundle

https://twitter.com/PoorOldIreland/status/1381739417430335488

Larbre34

yascaoimhin wrote: »

He wasn't right about Sandymount.

He was. He is. The Court will demonstrate that in due course.

But lets be clear, proposals to increase outdoor entertaining space on some City Centre streets and proposals to remove one traffic lane of a regional road that is vital to the City, are entirely different propositions.

If the City Council was being consistent here, they would be turning over a huge amount of space in Sandymount, Irishtown and Ringsend villages to outdoor activities and entertaining and divert that traffic out to Strand Road / Beach Road, instead of the other way around as is being challenged in Court currently.

But the last thing anyone can expect from this City Council under Keegan, is consistency.

yascaoimhin

Larbre34 wrote: »

He was. He is. The Court will demonstrate that in due course.

But lets be clear, proposals to increase outdoor entertaining space on some City Centre streets and proposals to remove one traffic lane of a regional road that is vital to the City, are entirely different propositions.

If the City Council was being consistent here, they would be turning over a huge amount of space in Sandymount, Irishtown and Ringsend villages to outdoor activities and entertaining and divert that traffic out to Strand Road / Beach Road, instead of the other way around as is being challenged in Court currently.

But the last thing anyone can expect from this City Council under Keegan, is consistency.

You've been proven wrong on this issue several times. If you not willing to listen to reason regarding this topic you should really just let it go.

No Environmental Impact Assessment is required for traffic levels that may or may not result as a result of implementing road layout changes under a Part 8 Scheme.

End of story.

nomdeboardie

I occasionally torment myself :P by cycling (carefuly) through Blackrock Park (Dublin) - the situation has been improved by the widening of the path, but the inevitable mild muppetry sees that the segregation lines are ignored often enough...

Anyway, got a flyer from from Councillor Mo Dockrell that has some bullet point updates on the park, among which is the following curiously cryptic pronouncment:
"A cycle way is being built and designed in such a way to slow down cyclists from going too fast" :rolleyes:

I was aware that they seem to be building some sort of new path(?) inland of the current tarmac pedestrian-cycle path(s). I wonder is this for cycling, and if so, are they going to remove bike access from the tarmac. And are they going to install extra bends? hillocks? dragons? But then if it were seperate why would the naughty fast cyclists need to be slowed anyway?

Can't find anything online. Anyone know the story? Yeah, I should just contact the Cllr - may do

(Another point of interest: "The narrow laneway parallel to the DART station is being expanded to provide room for all users. This has long been a hazard and the improvements are welcome"
Amen, esp in the time of CoViD. Implies they may have reached an agreement with the Deepwell owners? Didn't see anything happening last time I was there last weeks, though.)

eeeee

They have put a squiggly lane in, it's not tarred, got fine yellow chip on it. Maybe that's what they're talking about?
I never cycle through the park, far too many pedestrians, especially now. The new paths are super busy which is really nice to see.

Fighting Tao

Kissing gates? Oh, o got the council wrong. That is South Dublin County council I am thinking of.

Seaswimmer

nomdeboardie wrote: »

I occasionally torment myself :P by cycling (carefuly) through Blackrock Park (Dublin) - the situation has been improved by the widening of the path, but the inevitable mild muppetry sees that the segregation lines are ignored often enough...

Anyway, got a flyer from from Councillor Mo Dockrell that has some bullet point updates on the park, among which is the following curiously cryptic pronouncment:
"A cycle way is being built and designed in such a way to slow down cyclists from going too fast" :rolleyes:

I was aware that they seem to be building some sort of new path(?) inland of the current tarmac pedestrian-cycle path(s). I wonder is this for cycling, and if so, are they going to remove bike access from the tarmac. And are they going to install extra bends? hillocks? dragons? But then if it were seperate why would the naughty fast cyclists need to be slowed anyway?

Can't find anything online. Anyone know the story? Yeah, I should just contact the Cllr - may do

(Another point of interest: "The narrow laneway parallel to the DART station is being expanded to provide room for all users. This has long been a hazard and the improvements are welcome"
Amen, esp in the time of CoViD. Implies they may have reached an agreement with the Deepwell owners? Didn't see anything happening last time I was there last weeks, though.)

Interesting. I heard (anecdotally) that there was a burial ground on the other side of that wall and that was the reason for the decades long struggle to widen the path. Not sure if it was for pets or humans or if it is even true. But brilliant if they get it widened.

magicbastarder

i had a quick look at the archaeology.ie viewer and the 6 inch and 25 inch maps and can't see mention of one.
interesting to note that where blackrock park is now is marked as 'floods at high tide' on the 6 inch, but by the 25 inch, has obviously been turned into a park.

Effects

I passed through that stretch last night. Last year someone nicknamed it Covid Alley.
I had heard that there's an old Georgian folly located the far side of the wall, that's protected. And that's the reason it hasn't been expanded.
It's a bit of a joke though. Two bikes can barely pass each other. But I met a buggy coming through yesterday, so had to back up to let them through.

eeeee

People cycling through there is also a problem. I never do, it's nothing to go round the streets to the park, but you get people on bikes coming through and buggies, older people etc having to wait for them to go by. It's completely unnecessary to cycle through that narrow gap.

buffalo

Effects wrote: »

I passed through that stretch last night. Last year someone nicknamed it Covid Alley.
I had heard that there's an old Georgian folly located the far side of the wall, that's protected. And that's the reason it hasn't been expanded.
It's a bit of a joke though. Two bikes can barely pass each other. But I met a buggy coming through yesterday, so had to back up to let them through.

The folly isn't protected, but the house is. The entry in the RPS doesn't explicitly mention the gardens and the folly, but they could be included as being integral to the architectural or heritage value of the house.

Seaswimmer

eeeee wrote: »

People cycling through there is also a problem. I never do, it's nothing to go round the streets to the park, but you get people on bikes coming through and buggies, older people etc having to wait for them to go by. It's completely unnecessary to cycle through that narrow gap.

I agree but a lack of familiarity with the area naturally leads you to that route, especially coming from town.
Going towards town there is no other easy way to access the park by bike unless you dismount (and walk up towards the main gate) or enter the park further down (near Blackrock clinic) which kind of defeats the purpose of an off road route.

nomdeboardie

eeeee wrote: »

People cycling through there is also a problem. I never do, it's nothing to go round the streets to the park, but you get people on bikes coming through and buggies, older people etc having to wait for them to go by. It's completely unnecessary to cycle through that narrow gap.

I wait until the lane is empty before entering, and then usually cycle to minimise the chance of encountering anyone entering before I exit! If someone does enter while I'm there, I dismount and I plaster myself and bike against the wall, facing the wall, as they pass

TheW1zard

There are signs for cyclists to dismount

nomdeboardie

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Interesting. I heard (anecdotally) that there was a burial ground on the other side of that wall and that was the reason for the decades long struggle to widen the path. Not sure if it was for pets or humans or if it is even true. But brilliant if they get it widened.

Temple/memorial for a former inhabitant, though don't know if remains are interred there, or if it has any significance for current owners (though I can imagine there might be discomfort at the idea of dismantling/removing it.
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/deepwell-of-laughter-and-tears-29297147.html

loyatemu

TheW1zard wrote: »

There are signs for cyclists to dismount

that just makes you wider!

Macy0161

loyatemu wrote: »

that just makes you wider!

When it was my commuter route, I generally soft pedaled through and put a foot down if passing. That was pre-covid, old normal commuter volumes. But the same logic, me plus bike with pannier bags was wider than me on the bike.

MojoMaker

nomdeboardie wrote: »

Temple/memorial for a former inhabitant, though don't know if remains are interred there, or if it has any significance for current owners (though I can imagine there might be discomfort at the idea of dismantling/removing it.
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/deepwell-of-laughter-and-tears-29297147.html

Nice article. I can see that folly/mausoleum at the end of the beautiful gardens on Google Earth. It's very impressive.