Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

So you won't pay for parking if you cannot get "proportional to the space used"?

Why should you expect free parking storage for your bicycle and why should you dictate your terms on charges. The motorist has had no say in this.

Why would the motorist get any say in this? Are motorists in charge of the world or something?

Why would fees proportional to the space used be unreasonable or a bad thing?

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yes.

You guys....

Zaney wrote: »

If outdoor dining is the goal, then based on that list I’d close off Patrick Street. And it could be argued they are in more need of the extra space as they have no current outside dining.

Well this is it too. Where do you draw the line? Why do some businesses get preferential treatment in such a way to take custom from others in the same locality?

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by 'apart from a few coffee shops and the Miami Cafe'? Are they not worthy or does it need to be Michelin star fare?

On that stretch of street:
Darboven
Dall Italia
Natural Bakery co
Chocolate de Fred
The Lighthouse
Miami Cafe
Gourmet Cafe

Just off it:
Lá Dolce Italia
Strudel
Kyoto
Ritz Cafe
Bits n Pizzas
Zero Zero
Sunshine Cafe
SOUP

and I'm sure there's a few in forgetting

Would it not be better to close most of those on health and safety grounds due to their adding to diabetes and obesity epidemic?

Homesick Alien wrote: »

Right. And public benches are for everyone no matter where you get your food from.

I don't understand your argument here. Are you saying we should pedestrianise all of Dun laoghaire or none at all so no business gets any advantage?

Pedestrianising the whole of Dun Laoghaire is impractical. Choices have to be made. But the reasons for those choices should be clear. What’s the need, what’s the benefit, what’s the impact on others.

My argument would be, if DLR want to support businesses who need outdoor dining, there is a greater need on Patrick Street than there is on George’s Street Lower. Less impact too as buses will not have to be diverted.

My questions to the council would be: Have they even considered Patrick St? Why did they choose George’s Street Lower over other locations?

Anytime the weather is good, people won't hang around on the main street, which is in shadow from late morning, (as the new Square will be) they'll go down to the seafront to relax and take the Sun.

How will the non-food businesses along Georges St survive with this newly proposed outdoor dining trial if it officially goes ahead by the council?

To my mind if they were looking at suitable alternative options to collect of stock to their businesses if George St is fully pedestrianized; they could be provided with very limited options for delivery loading bays in place to deliver much needed new stock into their stores.

These outdoor dining proposals for George St will also negatively affect trade for these major non food businesses contained in this list.

3
Sostrene Green
Penneys
Hickeys
Shaws

And many others.....

And of course the food businesses along George St would need to have their food & drink supplies for their business delivered in order to continue trade to their customers. All of these food/non-food businesses cannot survive on fully pedestrianized streets with potentially thousands of customers coming in to visit the area if no supplies are continuously coming into their stores while customers continue to support their business. Their own post-covid business models could go out the window very quickly if deliveries are not maintained in order to agree with this proposed trial from the council.

Also re: BusConnects in Dún Laoghaire & other suburbs

A lot of the ground work in setting up the final bus network has been completed already with lots of consultations carried out with the public making agreements or compromises with the NTA that buses to continue to have routes unimpeded along major suburbs in Dublin. If a proposal like this one in Dún Laoghaire were to be mirrored in every other suburb located by other LA's in Dublin; I would say the public's reaction to those in charge of the NTA might be very mixed if the location being proposed for a trial in other Dublin suburbs like Dún Laoghaire does not provide suitable bus route alignments to serve their customers with suitable alternatives. Other suburbs in Dublin do have people of various different circumstances living within them. They are not all one & the same; they are all different to one another. Not all suburbs in Dublin are also not located in wealthy areas. The demand for bus services will come under huge challenges to maintain it for the public if the trial in Dún Laoghaire were to cause some distruption of other parts of the city. From my interpretation of BusConnects from reading the main reports associated with the project; the NTA are aiming, in order to maintain demand levels stable, to provide people living in suburbs with highly frequent bus services on every street as possible within any city in the country.

BusConnects could fail to fully realize their projected demands if progress on maintaining services is to be impeded in a negative way i.e. re-routing buses from major shopping areas in suburbs for a period of time after the covid pandemic has died off for good. If I was in agreement with this new trial for Dún Laoghaire; a balance has to be struck in how it get it to become a success for local people living in Dún Laoghaire & the LA's wider population.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

How will the non-food businesses along Georges St survive with this newly proposed outdoor dining trial if it officially goes ahead by the council?

To my mind if they were looking at suitable alternative options to collect of stock to their businesses if George St is fully pedestrianized; they could be provided with very limited options for delivery loading bays in place to deliver much needed new stock into their stores.

These outdoor dining proposals for George St will also negatively affect trade for these major non food businesses contained in this list.

3
Sostrene Green
Penneys
Hickeys
Shaws

And many others.....

And of course the food businesses along George St would need to have their food & drink supplies for their business delivered in order to continue trade to their customers. All of these food/non-food businesses cannot survive on fully pedestrianized streets with potentially thousands of customers coming in to visit the area if no supplies are continuously coming into their stores while customers continue to support their business. Their own post-covid business models could go out the window very quickly if deliveries are not maintained in order to agree with this proposed trial from the council.

Also re: BusConnects in Dún Laoghaire & other suburbs

A lot of the ground work in setting up the final bus network has been completed already with lots of consultations carried out with the public making agreements or compromises with the NTA that buses to continue to have routes unimpeded along major suburbs in Dublin. If a proposal like this one in Dún Laoghaire were to be mirrored in every other suburb located by other LA's in Dublin; I would say the public's reaction to those in charge of the NTA might be very mixed if the location being proposed for a trial in other Dublin suburbs like Dún Laoghaire does not provide suitable bus route alignments to serve their customers with suitable alternatives. Other suburbs in Dublin do have people of various different circumstances living within them. They are not all one & the same; they are all different to one another. Not all suburbs in Dublin are also not located in wealthy areas. The demand for bus services will come under huge challenges to maintain it for the public if the trial in Dún Laoghaire were to cause some distruption of other parts of the city. From my interpretation of BusConnects from reading the main reports associated with the project; the NTA are aiming, in order to maintain demand levels stable, to provide people living in suburbs with highly frequent bus services on every street as possible within any city in the country.

BusConnects could fail to fully realize their projected demands if progress on maintaining services is to be impeded in a negative way i.e. re-routing buses from major shopping areas in suburbs for a period of time after the covid pandemic has died off for good. If I was in agreement with this new trial for Dún Laoghaire; a balance has to be struck in how it get it to become a success for local people living in Dún Laoghaire & the LA's wider population.

Deliveries are able to continue to businesses on other pedestrianised thoroughfares just fine.

Look at Grafton Street. One or two hours a day in the morning and one of the busiest shopping streets in the country gets its deliveries sorted out no problems.

pm1977x wrote: »

Quoting that Burns chap in relation to bikes is like quoting Elon Musk saying “electric cars are great” not exactly objective seeing as he’s cycling zealot No. 1 and we have him to “thank” for carpet bombing the area with bollards and cycling tracks.

He did give me a good laugh the other day though, soaked to the skin in Sallynoggin trying to set up yet another photo op/propaganda piece with his cargo bike for local deliveries, proving the absurdity of the idea for a country that gets torrential rain even in summer.

Let’s try to pick a country that never gets torrential rain....

pm1977x wrote: »

Quoting that Burns chap in relation to bikes is like quoting Elon Musk saying “electric cars are great” not exactly objective seeing as he’s cycling zealot No. 1 and we have him to “thank” for carpet bombing the area with bollards and cycling tracks.

He did give me a good laugh the other day though, soaked to the skin in Sallynoggin trying to set up yet another photo op/propaganda piece with his cargo bike for local deliveries, proving the absurdity of the idea for a country that gets torrential rain even in summer.

Cyclists don’t mind the rain. Stick on the correct gear snd you are sorted. Oh your naivety is so funny.

You’d also be surprised how little it rains in the morning and evenings here

ted1 wrote: »

Cyclists don’t mind the rain. Stick on the correct gear snd you are sorted. Oh your naivety is so funny.

You’d also be surprised how little it rains in the morning and evenings here

Your blind zealotry is also funny, looks like it's lashing down this morning, but maybe not in your world.

pm1977x wrote: »

Quoting that Burns chap in relation to bikes is like quoting Elon Musk saying “electric cars are great” not exactly objective seeing as he’s cycling zealot No. 1 and we have him to “thank” for carpet bombing the area with bollards and cycling tracks.

He did give me a good laugh the other day though, soaked to the skin in Sallynoggin trying to set up yet another photo op/propaganda piece with his cargo bike for local deliveries, proving the absurdity of the idea for a country that gets torrential rain even in summer.

I didn't quote him. I showed his photo of the full bike racks to the person who said they were unneeded.

Here's the facts about rain here btw

https://irishcycle.com/myths/myths-weather/

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

It doesn't have to be a bike rental company.

How many empty and unneeded bike stands have been converted from car spaces, were paid for by bicycle owners and how many have paid for this privilege through a parking fee or bicycle tax.

How many empty car parking spaces were paid for from general taxation, which is paid by everyone?

And how exactly did you work out that bike spaces are unneeded?

ted1 wrote: »

Before Covid I cycled to the airport and back daily. Over the year it would you find only rain a handful of times. Occasionally I got completely soaked, those days are really refreshing.

Unlike you I am speaking from experience


For reference it wasn’t lashing due this morning, I walked the dog on the beach between 8 and 9:30. It was lightly raining , I was wearing a raincoat and waterproof bottoms AKA , appropriately dressed. And I enjoyed the walk.


As for zealotry, just because my opinion differs from you doesn’t mean it’s zealotry. It’s certainly not blind. As I often drive, so my perspective I such more rounded than the bigot one you have.

So because my opinion differs to your's I'm a bigot!!! Okay man, it's just the internet, relax, go for a nice refreshing cycle in the rain and cool off.