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    #92
    OldRio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭OldRio


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    The answer is to let the Welsh float away and do their chosen thing with England.

    That's leaves a decent 12 team league where it alls home and away and playoffs

    This fantasy that some Welsh fans dream about, has one large flaw. The English don't need or want them.


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    #93
    sydthebeat
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    OldRio wrote: »
    This fantasy that some Welsh fans dream about, has one large flaw. The English don't need or want them.

    Agreed
    And do we care??


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    #94
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Details for Munster season tickets is out today

    They are selling tickets on the basis of 9 home Pro16 games, which would suggest 18 (or 19) games in total for the new Pro16 format... That would make the Home or Away + Interprovincials the most likely option I think

    Side note: they also believe the Champions cup will have 2 home and 2 away pool games


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    #95
    PMC83
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    Any official update on announcing the broadcast of the pro16 in Ireland?


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    #96
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    PMC83 wrote: »
    Any official update on announcing the broadcast of the pro16 in Ireland?

    Nothing official but the rumours are that TG4 are retaining their current allocation of Connacht home games and Irish teams Vs Welsh teams with RTE covering the remainder and possibly both covering the final

    Irish Times seem to suggest RTE are frontrunners also

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro14/rt%C3%A9-strong-contenders-to-take-over-as-primary-broadcaster-of-pro-14-rugby-1.4519173


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    #97
    icdg
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    The latest suggestion is that Premier Sports will pick the rights to a much smaller amount of games than they have in the U.K. at present, but that it will be both U.K. and Ireland, and that the remainder of the games will be free to air across the various PSBs. Similar to the 2014-18 situation but substituting Premier in for Sky.


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    #98
    PMC83
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    icdg wrote: »
    The latest suggestion is that Premier Sports will pick the rights to a much smaller amount of games than they have in the U.K. at present, but that it will be both U.K. and Ireland, and that the remainder of the games will be free to air across the various PSBs. Similar to the 2014-18 situation but substituting Premier in for Sky.


    Hmm sounds a bit messy. Premier Sports do not have good feedback, wouldn't like to see them picking up the games for my province


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    #99
    icdg
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    I think it would be more the case that Premier would have a “game of the week” broadcast nationally across the U.K. and Ireland with other games being broadcast by the participating teams relevant PSBs. It’s just media reports which may or may not be correct (YMMV when it comes to the most recent source of these reports). I just wish they’d announce it at this stage.


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    #100
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    icdg wrote: »
    I think it would be more the case that Premier would have a “game of the week” broadcast nationally across the U.K. and Ireland with other games being broadcast by the participating teams relevant PSBs. It’s just media reports which may or may not be correct (YMMV when it comes to the most recent source of these reports). I just wish they’d announce it at this stage.

    So we would pay sky €17/34 a month for the odd rugby game, I'd sooner listen to it on the radio


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    #101
    awec
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    Red Silurian wrote: »
    So we would pay sky €17/34 a month for the odd rugby game, I'd sooner listen to it on the radio

    You'd get the european games included in that price.


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    #102
    icdg
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    awec wrote: »
    You'd get the european games included in that price.

    And Premiership Rugby. And the Top 14. And the PRL Cup, if that’s your thing (not mine, but someone surely watches it). And PRL Sevens (again not my thing).

    They’ve had autumn internationals in the past too, not sure what is happening with the centralisation of the rights though. It’s seven channels worth of sport between BT Sport, Premier Sports, and LaLiga TV.

    Anyway, it’s just media reports for now. Simon Thomas on WalesOnline seems pretty sure this will be the shape of the deal, but who outside of Celtic Rugby Towers and the broadcasters involved really know.


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    #103
    thomond2006
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    I feel terrible for the Cheetahs. They are reduced to playing "Invitational teams".

    https://twitter.com/CheetahsRugby/status/1398262807498563588?s=19

    The Kings were a joke and turned out to be cowboys off the field but the Cheetahs were worth their place in the league.


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    #104
    Thrashssacre
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I feel terrible for the Cheetahs. They are reduced to playing "Invitational teams".

    https://twitter.com/CheetahsRugby/status/1398262807498563588?s=19

    The Kings were a joke and turned out to be cowboys off the field but the Cheetahs were worth their place in the league.

    They were seriously done dirty played some fantastic rugby at times and still have a competitive squad, wonder what came of the legal battle they said they were taking on the south African Union.


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    #105
    Buer
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    Marcel Coetzee has seen a miraculous recovery and will start for the Bulls tomorrow against the Stormers.

    I don't think himself and Ulster will stay as friends after this break up.

    In other news, 11 of the Bulls starting team are 25 or younger. They've the potential to dominate for the next 5 years particularly with new found investment.


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    #106
    awec
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    Buer wrote: »
    Marcel Coetzee has seen a miraculous recovery and will start for the Bulls tomorrow against the Stormers.

    I don't think himself and Ulster will stay as friends after this break up.

    In other news, 11 of the Bulls starting team are 25 or younger. They've the potential to dominate for the next 5 years particularly with new found investment.

    He's yesterday's news.


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    #107
    bilston
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    Buer wrote: »
    Marcel Coetzee has seen a miraculous recovery and will start for the Bulls tomorrow against the Stormers.

    I don't think himself and Ulster will stay as friends after this break up.

    In other news, 11 of the Bulls starting team are 25 or younger. They've the potential to dominate for the next 5 years particularly with new found investment.

    He was expected to be for the last couple of Rainbow Cup matches before he left Ulster, so the timeline isn't a surprise.


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    #108
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    awec wrote: »
    You'd get the european games included in that price.

    Rumours are that Europe next year will be the same format as this years one, so 4 games
    icdg wrote: »
    And Premiership Rugby. And the Top 14. And the PRL Cup, if that’s your thing (not mine, but someone surely watches it). And PRL Sevens (again not my thing).

    They’ve had autumn internationals in the past too, not sure what is happening with the centralisation of the rights though. It’s seven channels worth of sport between BT Sport, Premier Sports, and LaLiga TV.

    Anyway, it’s just media reports for now. Simon Thomas on WalesOnline seems pretty sure this will be the shape of the deal, but who outside of Celtic Rugby Towers and the broadcasters involved really know.

    I don't think a lot of people will have interest in those competitions and fairly sure LaLigaTV is all soccer (not familiar with it) so realistically only 6 channels


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    #109
    Eod100
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    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Rumours are that Europe next year will be the same format as this years one, so 4 games

    Think that has been confirmed by EPCR


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    #110
    awec
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    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Rumours are that Europe next year will be the same format as this years one, so 4 games



    I don't think a lot of people will have interest in those competitions and fairly sure LaLigaTV is all soccer (not familiar with it) so realistically only 6 channels

    I think it's confirmed to be 4 games. The days of 6 pool games in Europe are finished, the English and French want less euro games.

    Obviously some people will be worse off since they used to get the league for free. If you wanted to watch European games you needed a BT sub. If you had a BT sub for Europe, you now get the Pro14 for free on top.


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    #111
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think that has been confirmed by EPCR

    Got any link to backup the claim?
    awec wrote: »
    I think it's confirmed to be 4 games. The days of 6 pool games in Europe are finished, the English and French want less euro games.

    Obviously some people will be worse off since they used to get the league for free. If you wanted to watch European games you needed a BT sub. If you had a BT sub for Europe, you now get the Pro14 for free on top.

    My point about the 4 games is that you can pick up a nowtv pass for a month or 2 to watch the European games, but if it's going to be every week you'd need to subscribe foe the season


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    #112
    OldRio
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    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Got any link to backup the claim?



    My point about the 4 games is that you can pick up a nowtv pass for a month or 2 to watch the European games, but if it's going to be every week you'd need to subscribe foe the season

    Indeed and that would be very expensive.


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    #113
    thomond2006
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    OldRio wrote: »
    Indeed and that would be very expensive.

    They do deals all the time, you can just cancel and renew as needed. There's never a need to pay the full price.


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    #114
    Bazzo
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    When are we going to get an announcement on TV rights for the league? Surely it's normally announced a good while at this stage.


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    #115
    awec
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    When are we going to get an announcement on TV rights for the league? Surely it's normally announced a good while at this stage.

    I reckon they're still trying to sell them.


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    #116
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,650 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Red Silurian wrote: »
    Got any link to backup the claim?/quote]

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2021/04/30/twickenham-stadium-to-host-2021-epcr-finals/


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    #117
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Eod100 wrote: »

    https://www.epcrugby.com/2021/04/30/twickenham-stadium-to-host-2021-epcr-finals/
    That link confirms nothing more than a 24 team tournament. It actually says that the format and dates have yet to be confirmed.


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    #118
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,515 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Bazzo wrote: »
    When are we going to get an announcement on TV rights for the league? Surely it's normally announced a good while at this stage.

    Last time it was announced in March but I think they’ve form in being late with previous deals. If the kind of deal that’s mooted in certain parts of the media (involving a number of broadcasters sharing U.K. and Ireland rights) is what is being done, it might be just a case of trying to dot the Is and cross the Ts. It’s a bit more complex than doing an exclusive deal with one broadcaster.

    I wouldn’t put it past that what awec moots above may be correct, btw. Eir Sport being out of the running and Sky being basically out of rugby union (Lions aside) really dampens pay tv interest in these rights.


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    #119
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    That link confirms nothing more than a 24 team tournament. It actually says that the format and dates have yet to be confirmed.

    The reason behind last seasons format was because the 3 "domestic" competitions weren't on a level playing field with regards the last seasons completion... The English Premiership for example was still running it's 2019/20 season in October

    My theory, and it's only a theory, is the 4 South African clubs could be somewhat introduced for this coming season, possibly in the Challenge Cup, or maybe the top 2 in the Rainbow cup will go champions and the others will go challenge


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    #120
    Eod100
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    That link confirms nothing more than a 24 team tournament. It actually says that the format and dates have yet to be confirmed.

    Not sure what different format could be used for 24 teams and Munster basing season tickets on current model.


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    #121
    Lost Ormond
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not sure what different format could be used for 24 teams and Munster basing season tickets on current model.
    Munster may base season tickets on current model but that like anything else around tickets is subject to change.


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