Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

Mefistofelino · 02-06-2021 02:44PM

breezy1985 wrote: »

It will be heartbreaking to see him advertising that horrible Land Rover Humvee rip-off proudly British made in France heap of BS Grenadier.

Not as bad as Dan promoting war criminals but not great either

The Ineos chemicals portfolio is far more detrimental than the small number of knock-off Defenders they'll sell. Plus, if promotion of cars is the issue, AG2R-Citroen is probably far worse, in terms of sheer volume.

As regards war criminals and human rights abuses, that ship sailed long before ISN arrived - Astana, UAE, Bahrain..

In fact, when you look at the primary sponsors at World Tour and Continental level, it doesn't make for pleasant reading on a number of fronts.

breezy1985 · 02-06-2021 03:06PM

Mefistofelino wrote: »

The Ineos chemicals portfolio is far more detrimental than the small number of knock-off Defenders they'll sell. Plus, if promotion of cars is the issue, AG2R-Citroen is probably far worse, in terms of sheer volume.

As regards war criminals and human rights abuses, that ship sailed long before ISN arrived - Astana, UAE, Bahrain..

In fact, when you look at the primary sponsors at World Tour and Continental level, it doesn't make for pleasant reading on a number of fronts.

Just in terms of Ineos I know they do worse than the car but you don't see the riders rolling around in oil trying to sell it to you where as that stupid tank is in all their promo stuff and they had a few needlessly following the Giro round for the last few weeks.
At least Citroens are cars normal people might need for work and family life.

There is a fine list of dodgy countries, oil companies, gambling brands and potential Bond villains in the top levels of cycling alright.

Even Hansgrohe were using slave labour during the war although they had at least switched to making fuses rather than showerheads which would hold a far more grim and particular significance

Junior · 02-06-2021 08:15PM

ednwireland wrote: »

im waiting for sam to get a boards account , come on here and tell us whats going on !

No need his family already read it :eek:

eeeee · 02-06-2021 10:45PM

Mefistofelino wrote: »

The Ineos chemicals portfolio is far more detrimental than the small number of knock-off Defenders they'll sell. Plus, if promotion of cars is the issue, AG2R-Citroen is probably far worse, in terms of sheer volume.

As regards war criminals and human rights abuses, that ship sailed long before ISN arrived - Astana, UAE, Bahrain..

In fact, when you look at the primary sponsors at World Tour and Continental level, it doesn't make for pleasant reading on a number of fronts.

Sports washing severely restricts my ability to support riders.
They don't have any women's teams either, which is...(all the things).

Dodge · 03-06-2021 09:29AM

Sam is set to ride at the Tour of Belgium from 9th-13th June.

Should be a stacked sprint field with Ewan, Merlier Ackermann, Bols, Groenewegen all down to start. Demare the only sprinter missing really

Doesn’t look like Morkov is there so should be interesting

mr spuckler · 08-06-2021 10:09AM

I also see Philipsen and Nizzolo are on the list too, very much a who's who apart from Demare!

Dodge · 08-06-2021 10:51AM

mr spuckler wrote: »

I also see Philipsen and Nizzolo are on the list too, very much a who's who apart from Demare!

Morkov there too. It’s effectively every decent sprinter bar Demare. Should be fun to watch some of these sprints

buffalo · 08-06-2021 01:13PM

Nice little interview: https://cyclingtips.com/2021/06/i-know-im-30-but-i-feel-27-a-qa-with-sam-bennett/

CT: You’ve got so many big stars in the team and some of them will have different goals. Are you expecting the Tour team to be built around your sprint goals or to have more mixed objectives?

SB: It’s going to be quite mixed but now, like you said, people are kind of surfing more. So yeah, I do have a train and I have quite good guys in front of me but most of the time, in the final, we’re going to be moving with just three guys. We are surfing quite a bit. It’s kind of a mixture of surfing and a train, if that makes sense. Because you can’t come from the front and lead it out from 2 k. That’s just too long nowadays. So yeah, I’ll get all the support I need to be in the run for a victory.

Dodge · 08-06-2021 06:26PM

Knee injury for Sam. He’ll miss the Tour of Belgium to rest up for the Tour de France

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/4979/sam-bennett-update

happytramp · 08-06-2021 07:35PM

Can't help but feel he'll be undercooked for the tour.... 5 days racing in the last two months.

griffin100 · 08-06-2021 09:48PM

Dodge wrote: »

Knee injury for Sam. He’ll miss the Tour of Belgium to rest up for the Tour de France

https://www.deceuninck-quickstep.com/en/news/4979/sam-bennett-update

Maybe Cav will be selected ahead of him. I wouldn’t put anything past Lefevere.

DonegalBay · 08-06-2021 10:52PM

griffin100 wrote: »

Maybe Cav will be selected ahead of him. I wouldn’t put anything past Lefevere.

Yeah, going to say if Cav even shows some form here, I can see them shafting Bennett completely.

CramCycle · 08-06-2021 11:38PM

The more cynical part of me thinks it is an attempt to throw competitors off Sam, they were starting to ignore all other race markers at the tail end with everyone trying to tag on or disrupt their sprint. I know it sounds like a fan boy thing but I will say it again, pound for pound, the best sprinter in the world for miles. Great for him to have the team to make it easier for him but in a drag race, I can't see anyone even coming close. The cameras from the front always make it look like a close knit victory but once you see the overhead cams in recent races of Sams, no one had a chance.

brocbrocach · 09-06-2021 12:11AM

Ewan is every bit as good, usually with less help as well. I don't mean that to sound like knocking Sam because he's got himself to the very top but I think the next 5-10 years will be Ewan's.

CramCycle · 09-06-2021 12:18AM

brocbrocach wrote: »

Ewan is every bit as good, usually with less help as well. I don't mean that to sound like knocking Sam because he's got himself to the very top but I think the next 5-10 years will be Ewan's.

There are times where tactically Ewan has been better, and again fan boy coming out, I think that has been the fault of Bora for knocking Sam for so long but in a drag race, Sam is dropping Ewan every time. DQT has sorted that out, and the few times Ewan has been up there it hasn't been much more than luck either for him or against Sam that had him competitive with Sam and regrettably for Sam, now that everyone is marking him, it may make Ewan look better but I actually don't believe it at the minute.

Dodge · 09-06-2021 01:46AM

I think some of you are insane if you think DQT won’t pick Bennett for the Tour if he’s fit.

happytramp · 09-06-2021 07:40AM

Dodge wrote: »

I think some of you are insane if you think DQT won’t pick Bennett for the Tour if he’s fit.

I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that, although there is precedence for teams ommiting big riders who've announced their intention to leave since any world tour points they've amassed get transferred to their new team the following season.... Plus they'd still have Alaphillipe, who's by far their biggest cash cow for the tour.

Junior · 09-06-2021 09:14AM

Dodge wrote: »

I think some of you are insane if you think DQT won’t pick Bennett for the Tour if he’s fit.

Teams have a habit of saying one thing and doing another. Dropping riders from races and GTs because they are moving on. And while Lefevere is all business he will not hesitate to shaft someone.

As for the comments about Ewan being a better sprinter, and having less workers, well he's had Kluge as his lead out man for the last longest while and you'd have to say they aren't as successful as a Morkov Pairing. You've also got to factor in Ewan never ever hits out from the front and always prefers to come at speed off other riders. He also has a habit of throwing the head if he's not there or there abouts. So his wins look better.

Macy0161 · 09-06-2021 09:20AM

They tend to drop them from the Vuelta, rather than the Tour, when they're moving on (if they're moving on). DQS would be nuts not to bring they're best percentage chance of a stage win. I'm with Dodge on this one, I really can't see it.

Dodge · 09-06-2021 09:46AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

They tend to drop them from the Vuelta, rather than the Tour, when they're moving on (if they're moving on). DQS would be nuts not to bring they're best percentage chance of a stage win. I'm with Dodge on this one, I really can't see it.

Exactly. It’s the races after August that teams get snippy about.

The Tour is a whole different ball game

happytramp · 09-06-2021 10:00AM

Macy0161 wrote: »

They tend to drop them from the Vuelta, rather than the Tour, when they're moving on (if they're moving on). DQS would be nuts not to bring they're best percentage chance of a stage win. I'm with Dodge on this one, I really can't see it.

I think we all agree It's never going to happen... But it's also not beyond the realm of possibility that a volatile character like Lefevere could pull a move that may seem outlandish to everyone else.

Like he's already opted against having a top sprinter for next season and personally I think their Giro was total basket case stuff. I'd never claim to be 100% certain of what's going through that guys head.

Macy0161 · 09-06-2021 11:01AM

I think there Giro looks much worse in hindsight to be honest. Almeida was definitely joint leader (probably main leader) losing that time while Remco minimized losses, I'd say most teams would've made Almeida wait on the gravel stage.

MrMojoRisin' · 09-06-2021 11:20AM

If Cavendish + Morkov completely destroy Ewan, Merlier, Groneweggen etc in every sprint stage at this tour of Belgium though, surely its a much more difficult choice for Lefevere to leave Cavendish out of the tour.

happytramp · 09-06-2021 11:45AM

MrMojoRisin' wrote: »

If Cavendish + Morkov completely destroy Ewan, Merlier, Groneweggen etc in every sprint stage at this tour of Belgium though, surely its a much more difficult choice for Lefevere to leave Cavendish out of the tour.

That's a big if though... I'd be stunned if Cavendish started challenging Ewan.

MrMojoRisin' · 09-06-2021 01:07PM

It is! I'm looking forward to watching it one way or the other, even without Bennett

dahat · 09-06-2021 01:40PM

First things first Cav needs to be on Morkovs wheel in the final, Morkov spent 100 yards looking for Cav the other day.

TheBlaaMan · 09-06-2021 02:08PM

MrMojoRisin' wrote: »

If Cavendish + Morkov completely destroy Ewan, Merlier, Groneweggen etc in every sprint stage at this tour of Belgium though, surely its a much more difficult choice for Lefevere to leave Cavendish out of the tour.

And the opposite also applies, if Cav f's up the lead out at any point, it is going to go against him.
I think the lack of prep. races for Sam in the leadup to the Tour is a bigger issue TBH

09-06-2021 02:32PM

Cavendish is not on the same level as the top 3 or 4 sprinters in the world. Cannot see him pulling off a stage win over the next few days. Though he will be close enough. Sam is going to the Tour. Main thing is he recovers and is in top shape.

dahat · 11-06-2021 03:35PM

dahat wrote: »

First things first Cav needs to be on Morkovs wheel in the final, Morkov spent 100 yards looking for Cav the other day.

Exact same thing happened again. Best wheel in racing & he can’t follow it through when required.

breezy1985 · 11-06-2021 03:59PM

It doesn't just mean no Sam related same day spoilers lads

Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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