Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Wedwood · 04-06-2021 10:07pm

I remember leaving the cinema in 1989 thinking Last Crusade looked a bit cheap and Harrison Ford was getting on a bit !! The only bit I’d really enjoyed was the motorcycle chase sequence accompanied by Williams’ Scherzo for Motorcycles. The previous two movies looked better, where as Last Crusade had too much sub par blue screen shots during the action scenes, especially the airship/fighter plane sequences. I also seen Star Trek V The Final Frontier in 1989 and decided Last Crusade’s effects could have been a lot worse!!!

That said, I purchased both movies a few months later on VHS for my fledgling movie collection, again on DVD, again on Blu-ray and currently awaiting their 4K releases ( the Indiana Jones movies out in a few days !!!)

Tony EH · 04-06-2021 10:26pm

Wedwood wrote: »

I remember leaving the cinema in 1989 thinking Last Crusade looked a bit cheap

Yeh, I thought that too. The whole intro sequence looked like it was from another movie entirely and it really did feel cheap as chips. The sub par CGI was really awful, too, even for the time.

It really felt lower budget to me in comparison to the first two.

I always felt that the villains were really meh as well. Dusting off the nazis again just never felt anything more than a rehash of Raiders. Oh you didn't like the Thuggees? Well here's the Germans again.

Would have been nice to see Indy head off to sub Saharan Africa or something instead and introduce new bad guys.

py2006 · 04-06-2021 10:32pm

CGI in the Last Crusade?

Wedwood · 05-06-2021 12:15am

Just to say, there are more set photos doing the rounds which are a bit spoilery, so I think it’s time to block if you don’t want the movie ruined.

Big Gerry · 05-06-2021 12:59am

py2006 wrote: »

CGI in the Last Crusade?

Yeah remember the CGI plane that crashes into the tunnel.

Big Gerry · 05-06-2021 1:03am

It looks like the Nazis are back in Indy 5.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9653211/Train-transformed-Nazi-carrier-engine-ahead-filming-new-Indiana-Jones-movie.html

Tony EH · 05-06-2021 1:57am

py2006 wrote: »

CGI in the Last Crusade?

There were very early computer effects used in the movie IIRC. More overlays to props as opposed to the CGI we're used to these days.

Tony EH · 05-06-2021 2:00am

Big Gerry wrote: »

It looks like the Nazis are back in Indy 5.

Oh dear...

pixelburp · 05-06-2021 9:30am

Must be a flashback, or, could be linking with that rumour from years ago of a hidden/lost Nazi train. Was going around that it was full of gold and buried in a mountain somewhere in Poland. Can't remember where that urban myth went, but there was definitely at least one serious attempt to find it. I think the researchers found _a_ train, bit wasn't full of gold.

Edit: ah, not quite. Two men claimed they found something, but after much effort, turned out to be a natural geological formation..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold_train

silverharp · 05-06-2021 1:29pm

if its Nazis, 60's and space race related , maybe the anti grav technology that pops up on the "History" channel

Agent Coulson · 05-06-2021 2:48pm

I'd say it's the urban legend of the Nazi train full of gold that is hidden/lost in the mountains of Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold_train

silverharp · 05-06-2021 3:01pm

The other films had some mystical elements to them, buried Nazi gold seems a little boring in comparison? and would be more in the realm of a conventional thriller , Bear Island for example

pixelburp · 05-06-2021 3:22pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say it's the urban legend of the Nazi train full of gold that is hidden/lost in the mountains of Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold_train

Uhm, snap? :P

silverharp wrote: »

The other films had some mystical elements to them, buried Nazi gold seems a little boring in comparison? and would be more in the realm of a conventional thriller , Bear Island for example

That supposes it is only gold on the train

Last days of the war and Hitler packs up all the supernatural items he picked up that wasn't The Ark or Cup of Christ, so the Soviets can't get 'em. Sends the train on a secret mission and it gets lost, intercepted by partisans or whatnot. 20 years later and someone's after the Great McGuffin, last seen being packed into a mysterious, unregistered train.

Damn, I hope it IS something like that cos I'm suddenly stoked for this made up plot of mine

silverharp · 05-06-2021 3:30pm

pixelburp wrote: »

That supposes it is only gold on the train Last days of the war and Hitler packs up all the supernatural items he picked up that wasn't The Ark or Cup of Christ, so the Soviets can't get 'em. Sends the train on a secret mission and it gets lost, intercepted by partisans or whatnot. 20 years later and someone's after the Great McGuffin, last seen being packed into a mysterious, unregistered train.

Damn, I hope it IS something like that cos I'm suddenly stoked for this made up plot of mine

Might be a better plot than they have :pac: or their writers are such a bunch of hacks, 70% of film will be so predictable it writes itself

B.A._Baracus · 06-06-2021 4:31pm

Re: the nazi train.
My money is on flashback too. Indy 5 will have to be roughly set in the 60s. But if they are doing a flashback you just know they are gonna do the annoying de-aging thing.

Big Gerry · 07-06-2021 1:24pm

Indy 5 could be so bad that it makes crystal skull look like a masterpiece.

pixelburp · 07-06-2021 1:54pm

Ah jaysus. It's deja vû all over again.

johnny_ultimate · 07-06-2021 2:10pm

Mod note: Enough with the lazy video / link drops please - it's a discussion board, not a place to randomly drop YouTube rants and then move on.

And at the very, very least double-check to make sure the video wasn't posted before and had several dozen responses :pac:

Tony EH · 07-06-2021 2:54pm

What is it these ejits have against Phoebe Waller-Bridge?

silliussoddius · 07-06-2021 3:18pm

Big Gerry wrote: »

Indy 5 could be so bad that it makes crystal skull look like a masterpiece.

Does he have the lottery numbers by any chance?

pixelburp · 07-06-2021 3:50pm

Tony EH wrote: »

What is it these ejits have against Phoebe Waller-Bridge?

She wrote a comedy with a tonne of menstruations jokes, a thriller about a middle aged woman self-destructing her life for a hot psycho and that's woke feminism apparently. Oh and there'll be some nonsense about the male characters being walked over or something.

It does remind I must actually watch Fleabag: these inane segues caused me to YouTube some clips and it's a goddamn laugh riot. Extremely crude, but very funny.

Fysh · 07-06-2021 4:09pm

pixelburp wrote: »

She wrote a comedy with a tonne of menstruations jokes, a thriller about a middle aged woman self-destructing her life for a hot psycho and that's woke feminism apparently. Oh and there'll be some nonsense about the male characters being walked over or something.

It does remind I must actually watch Fleabag: these inane segues caused me to YouTube some clips and it's a goddamn laugh riot. Extremely crude, but very funny.

You absolutely should, it is hilarious - while simultaneously being a strong character piece about someone being absolutely crushed by the combined weight of guilt and grief. Plus it gives Olivia Coleman the opportunity to play an absolute arsehole, which is as much fun as you might expect.

Tbh the one thing I'll say about these endless Whining Video Glansmen is that as long as they put things like their disdain for Waller-Bridge front and centre they're doing us a favour, because they might as well be holding up a sign that says "I don't like good things"

speedboatchase · 07-06-2021 4:49pm

Tony EH wrote: »

What is it these ejits have against Phoebe Waller-Bridge?

I think she's fantastic, but it's sad that she's going to be in this and that it even exists.

Think about it this way - she creates two award-laden original phenomenons: Fleabag and Killing Eve. Hollywood's reaction is not to see what she can do with a bigger budget and scope, but to offer:

Star Wars spin-off
Mr and Mrs Smith remake
Indy sequel

The same goes for Donald Glover, who created Atlanta and ends up in the same Star Wars spin-off, the same Mr and Mrs Smith remake and a live-action Lion King remake.

I remember people criticised the Ready Player One book once it was released because its world and fandom was as though pop culture had been frozen in the 80s, but that seems fairly spot-on!

pixelburp · 07-06-2021 5:32pm

speedboatchase wrote: »

I think she's fantastic, but it's sad that she's going to be in this and that it even exists.

Think about it this way - she creates two award-laden original phenomenons: Fleabag and Killing Eve. Hollywood's reaction is not to see what she can do with a bigger budget and scope, but to offer:
Star Wars spin-off

Mr and Mrs Smith remake

Indy sequel

She auditioned for Solo herself I believe, wasn't offered the role (IIRC she hadn't ever heard of a "droid" or what it was) so I don't get the impression Hollywood even registers her presence, yet. It's also possible Waller-Bridge doesn't WANT to be involved in American mainstream cinema and I wouldn't blame her if she didn't either.

I did wonder if she might moonlight with some script doctoring like she did with the recent bond movie (which is another reason the YouTube outrage industry hates her), but it also feels like she's happy to just blip around America for now, do her own thing. Even with Killing Eve she only worked on the first season, with a marked drop on quality when she left.

silverharp · 07-06-2021 10:20pm

there are a lot of set photos floating around, all WW2 era, hopefully just a flashback or a prelude scene, there appears to be a de-aged Indy in it too.

MisterAnarchy · 07-06-2021 11:38pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

Does he have the lottery numbers by any chance?

I see he recommended The Mask of Zorro yesterday, thats an excellent film.
Something along those lines would be perfect for Indy 5, the right balance of seriousness and fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anhBKOYm2Ls

B.A._Baracus · 08-06-2021 11:00am

silverharp wrote: »

there are a lot of set photos floating around, all WW2 era, hopefully just a flashback or a prelude scene, there appears to be a de-aged Indy in it too.

Knew it.
Once that Nazi train was shown you knew they would use the de-aging from Star Wars. Its all Disney at the end of the day.

On an Indy related note I watched raiders and temple of doom over the last two nights. Whats the craic with TOD being a prequel? I only found out it was about ten years ago. After watching it a dozen times as a kid. Like, what I mean is at no point in the movie (that I saw) suggets its a prequel or did I miss something for the 20th time again? :pac:

pixelburp · 08-06-2021 11:04am

silverharp wrote: »

there are a lot of set photos floating around, all WW2 era, hopefully just a flashback or a prelude scene, there appears to be a de-aged Indy in it too.

How do we know there's a de-aged Indy? Was there an actor walking around with some mo-cap dots on his face? Just curious as that seems like a big enough swing.

silverharp · 08-06-2021 11:18am

pixelburp wrote: »

How do we know there's a de-aged Indy? Was there an actor walking around with some mo-cap dots on his face? Just curious as that seems like a big enough swing.

if you spin to 1:45 there is a deaged stunt double wearing an Indy mask. Mr H has his own theories and he is going for a more vanilla Prisoner heist type affair but that doesnt feel like an Indy film for me. Im guessing this is either a flash back scene or its prelude and they will flip into the 60's or whatever for the great macguffin hunt, with maybe the Odessa org as current bad guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz-JNXQRpJ8

pixelburp · 08-06-2021 3:03pm

Well the man himself is on one of the sets anyway;

https://twitter.com/IndianaJones_ch/status/1401984794259566594

silverharp · 08-06-2021 3:12pm

hay Agness, is that the 3:15 to Leeds?

https://twitter.com/martin_etherton/status/1401907894610767878

Wedwood · 08-06-2021 10:59pm

On a side note, the 4K editions of the first 4 movies have dropped today. I have them on iTunes and got the usual free upgrade from 1080p to 4K.

They also appear to have had some new work done on their visual effects, I noticed matte lines have been removed from certain scenes. The plane escape sequence in Last Crusade in particular looks much improved.

CastorTroy · 08-06-2021 11:42pm

But do they now have Indy walking over Jabba's tail and replace guns with radios?

Snake Plisken · 09-06-2021 9:33am

Wedwood wrote: »

On a side note, the 4K editions of the first 4 movies have dropped today. I have them on iTunes and got the usual free upgrade from 1080p to 4K.

They also appear to have had some new work done on their visual effects, I noticed matte lines have been removed from certain scenes. The plane escape sequence in Last Crusade in particular looks much improved.

Yeah forgot I had purchased the set on iTunes a few months back. They look great and have a decent set of extras on iTunes. The 4 movies are currently available for the low price of 19.99 and all have HDR/Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos upgrades, for anyone interested

py2006 · 09-06-2021 5:01pm

Is it just me or does the Indy outfit not look quite right?

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pixelburp · 09-06-2021 5:09pm

It's cos he's 78; they should have kept the hat but given him a different style, something that made him look less old and schlubby. In Force Awakens he had a different, but appropriate outfit & leather jacket that sat much better on him. Could just be the Behind the Scenes Effect too though, and won't look so bad on-screen.

FunLover18 · 09-06-2021 5:46pm

I think it's also that the outfit is very 40s. I get that it's his "costume" but that Indy's fashion didn't change with the times is weird. I agree with PB, they could have kept the hat which is the most iconic bit.

py2006 · 09-06-2021 6:18pm

Men in their 70s don't wear the latest trends :P

Tony EH · 09-06-2021 6:27pm

py2006 wrote: »

Is it just me or does the Indy outfit not look quite right?

It's the lad in the outfit that's the problem.

MisterAnarchy · 09-06-2021 11:19pm

Oh no Indy, the cancel culture mob will be after you next.

https://twitter.com/NME/status/1402587176446173188

Big Gerry · 10-06-2021 3:17am

FunLover18 wrote: »

I think it's also that the outfit is very 40s. I get that it's his "costume" but that Indy's fashion didn't change with the times is weird. I agree with PB, they could have kept the hat which is the most iconic bit.

I think the original Indy films were set in the 30s not the 40s.

10-06-2021 8:04am

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Oh no Indy, the cancel culture mob will be after you next.

https://twitter.com/NME/status/1402587176446173188

This seems more like you generating fake scandals again....

FunLover18 · 10-06-2021 4:07pm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Oh no Indy, the cancel culture mob will be after you next.

https://twitter.com/NME/status/1402587176446173188

It is creepy when you think about it but as mentioned it's never made explicit what happened. Was it ever addressed in Young Indiana Jones?

Just listening to the Rewatchables episode of Raiders at the moment and this comes up, supposedly Lucas wanted her to be younger. And they also cut a scene where Indy had a woman in his bed when Denholm arrives, hence the bathrobe.

Tony EH · 10-06-2021 4:36pm

It's only "creepy" when viewed through today's eyes. Before and during the 30's and well into the 60's and 70's a person who was 16 was considered a young adult. Once you'd left school, you were no longer considered a child. In fact, during the next two years, it was quite expected of one to get married and to have the first child of their own knocked out.

Now, I don't know what age Marion was supposed to be in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' or how young she was supposed to be when Jones had a relationship with her, but all this just sounds like manufactured click bait over a complete non-issue.

py2006 · 10-06-2021 5:06pm

He is in better shape than me AND cycles which I don't...

pixelburp · 10-06-2021 5:08pm

If his cycling is anything like his flying ... :pac:

py2006 · 10-06-2021 5:12pm

Fan theory but: Indiana Jones 5 set photos tease time travel plot for Harrison Ford after statue spotted?

Dades · 11-06-2021 10:28am

Tony EH wrote: »

Now, I don't know what age Marion was supposed to be in 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' or how young she was supposed to be when Jones had a relationship with her, but all this just sounds like manufactured click bait over a complete non-issue.

I read a piece about this on Medium that made me want to scream. As if some reported conversations with George Lucas meant Raiders should be all but pulled from the public domain.

silverharp · 11-06-2021 10:36am

py2006 wrote: »

Fan theory but: Indiana Jones 5 set photos tease time travel plot for Harrison Ford after statue spotted?

does make me wonder will the Nazi Bell be in this film, Indiana Jones meets Iron Sky

pixelburp · 11-06-2021 10:44am

Dades wrote: »

I read a piece about this on Medium that made me want to scream. As if some reported conversations with George Lucas meant Raiders should be all but pulled from the public domain.

Your first mistake is reading Medium

I've only ever stuck to technical, programming articles and even then half are so dogmatic and opinionated they're often unreadble. It's long-form Twitter at this stage.

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

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