Why not move to Northern Ireland?

06-06-2021 8:11am

downcow wrote: »

…and why couldn’t you shop in Asda in the north?

You can?
I'm saying you can live in the South and still do your shopping in the North.

FTA69 · 06-06-2021 8:20am

downcow wrote: »

Folks please don’t all rush here. We are being inundated with people moving from the mainland and keeping their jobs over there. Probably good for the economy but going to drive prices up here. These are our countryfolk and therefore no threat to our future in ni. If loads of southerners come up then the danger is you tip the balance and we all end up living in ROI.
Now that would be ironic ie you move up to get the benefits of the U.K. and then you assist a vote to move us all out of the U.K.

90% of British people think Unionists are weird Irish oiks.

downcow · 06-06-2021 9:05am

bubblypop wrote: »

You can?
I'm saying you can live in the South and still do your shopping in the North.

Sorry. Misunderstood

downcow · 06-06-2021 9:06am

FTA69 wrote: »

90% of British people think Unionists are weird Irish oiks.

That’s a bit of a strange point. No idea what you are getting at

Wanderer78 · 06-06-2021 9:10am

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote:

We are currently looking at properties in Co. Down, I wonder why more Irish people haven't looked to the North as a convenient, cheaper place to relocate?

.... Because cost of living is only an element of why people chose to live in certain locations, others being close to place of work, close to family and friends etc etc, all of these factors play a critical role of maintaining well being, hence peoples choices

cj maxx · 06-06-2021 9:52am

Phoebas wrote: »

It's a different jurisdiction for tax and employment law purposes.

I think a lot of employers might have issues with it.

Why?. If you work in the South, you're covered by those employment laws and tax laws.

ancapailldorcha · 06-06-2021 9:54am

downcow wrote: »

Folks please don’t all rush here. We are being inundated with people moving from the mainland and keeping their jobs over there. Probably good for the economy but going to drive prices up here. These are our countryfolk and therefore no threat to our future in ni. If loads of southerners come up then the danger is you tip the balance and we all end up living in ROI.
Now that would be ironic ie you move up to get the benefits of the U.K. and then you assist a vote to move us all out of the U.K.

What are you on about? Who is moving to NI from the UK en masse?

Lex_Luthor · 06-06-2021 9:57am

joeysoap wrote: »

Still mental..

there is such a thing as cross border workers and no double taxation. But I’m not sure on the position if your employer is in one and the actual work is in the other, also fwiw Dundalk house prices are much cheaper than Dublin ( or drogheda). 40 mins to the airport but it’s the next bit that adds the time in rush hour. Surprised more from Dublin haven’t relocated, some have, but not really that many.

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/semi-detached-house-10-caislainn-heynestown-dundalk-co-louth/3263713

https://www.daft.ie/for-sale/detached-house-old-golflinks-road-blackrock-co-louth/1122702

I was thinking about Carlingford, Dundalk and close to those areas, definitely good value to be had.

Office is in North London, so I would wfh but need a UK address.
My manager has said in the past they had someone in UK office that was v good but wanted to be in Ireland. In the end they couldn't work out a way, so she left.
This was pre-covid, so things might change.

I don't drive (plan to learn) and would need to be close enough to an airport (visit office1-2 times per month). Also single.
Belfast looks to be best option.

ulster · 06-06-2021 10:02am

downcow wrote: »

That’s a bit of a strange point. No idea what you are getting at

He's saying you aren't as British as people from the island of Britain.

Cal4567 · 06-06-2021 10:07am

downcow wrote: »

That’s a bit of a strange point. No idea what you are getting at

Not strange at all. I have many UK based friends, acquaintances and extended family. They see NI unionists as Irish, despite the flags etc. Taking it further, both NI unionists and nationalists view us as a bit different to themselves.

EmmetSpiceland · 06-06-2021 10:31am

ulster wrote: »

He's saying you aren't as British as people from the island of Britain.

But don’t northern unionists see themselves as English more than British? It’s always about England.

FTA69 · 06-06-2021 2:10pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

But don’t northern unionists see themselves as English more than British

No. Nearly all of them are descendant from Scots anyhow.

Moonbeam · 06-06-2021 2:14pm

Alot of people cross the border every day for work and school.
Have a look at Warrenpoint, Co Down . It is really nice, not far from Newry and the cost of property is very reasonable.

downcow · 06-06-2021 11:23pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What are you on about? Who is moving to NI from the UK en masse?

It has been reported here that is is what’s driving the recent house price rises. I’ll try and find the report

downcow · 06-06-2021 11:25pm

ulster wrote: »

He's saying you aren't as British as people from the island of Britain.

Most threads don’t require 14 pages before someone needs to tell me that the think I’m not quite british lol

downcow · 06-06-2021 11:26pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

But don’t northern unionists see themselves as English more than British? It’s always about England.

Haha

downcow · 06-06-2021 11:28pm

FTA69 wrote: »

90% of British people think Unionists are weird Irish oiks.

Hardly a surprise as 90% of people are prejudiced
https://www.washington.edu/news/1998/09/29/roots-of-unconscious-prejudice-affect-90-to-95-percent-of-people-psychologists-demonstrate-at-press-conference/

crooked cockney villain · 07-06-2021 1:27pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

In the last 20 years, a noticeable gap between the relative wealth of the Republic and the 6 counties has appeared. Lower standard of living, less enterprising culture, fewer opportunities.

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Its infrastructure has really declined. You drive over the Cavan border and the rural roads are sunken, in absolute bits compared to the south.

Even drive from Dublin to Belfast, you go from the gleaming new motorway to the aged dual carriageway, the motorway into Belfast looks knackered and all.

07-06-2021 2:13pm

Lex_Luthor wrote: »

I was thinking about Carlingford, Dundalk and close to those areas, definitely good value to be had.

Yes. We looked at Carlingford and Ravensdale in the beginning, because there is serious value there which seems to be undisurbed by the wider boom in house prices. There are idyllic, spacious homes overlooking the sea, on the sides of mountains, going for the price of an apartment in Dublin.

In the end we opted for Rostrevor because of services, but the value is the same. If you want, or prefer, to live in the Republic I'd definitely recommend Carlingford or Omeath.

Dundalk is nice too. You can borrow the price of a red-brick home as a personal loan (nobody would actually do that, I'm just saying house prices are often below 100k, or thereabouts).

There is value in them there hills.

07-06-2021 2:36pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yes. We looked at Carlingford and Ravensdale in the beginning, because there is serious value there which seems to be undisurbed by the wider boom in house prices. There are idyllic, spacious homes overlooking the sea, on the sides of mountains, going for the price of an apartment in Dublin.

In the end we opted for Rostrevor because of services, but the value is the same. If you want, or prefer, to live in the Republic I'd definitely recommend Carlingford or Omeath.

Dundalk is nice too. You can borrow the price of a red-brick home as a personal loan (nobody would actually do that, I'm just saying house prices are often below 100k, or thereabouts).

There is value in them there hills.

Are you confident that your work will be forever WFH? Or are you expecting the life of a man of leisure based on the difference between Dublin property and Northern Ireland?

Also I can find plenty of cheap housing in Ireland. Tipp is cheap and I believe you are from there.

You also seem to be skirting the tax issues.

07-06-2021 2:46pm

fvp4 wrote: »

Are you confident that your work will be forever WFH? Or are you expecting the life of a man of leisure based on the difference between Dublin property and Northern Ireland?

Also I can find plenty of cheap housing in Ireland. Tipp is cheap and I believe you are from there.

You also seem to be skirting the tax issues.

What is the tax issue? Everyone keeps talking about it, and I was so paranoid I actually rang Revenue last week... there is no problem.

Tipp is cheap, and it's a lovely spot. I hope people will remember Lough Derg for their summer holidays. As a place to live, it is deprived of services, and my OH isn't from there anyway.

Am fairly confident about WFH, yes. I already work in a fairly small team and they have abandoned the future lease on our Dublin office. Big crisis ahead for corporate properties in Dublin, but that's for another day!

You're right about there being plenty of cheap housing in the Republic. Hopefully WFH can reduce the rising pressure on urban homes, and offset the sudden collapse of construction over the past 15 months.

KyussB · 07-06-2021 2:51pm

It's not Revenue who are the problem - it's the company you work for. Contractors are being dropped like flies lately, in the UK. IR35 is very risky for companies.

grogi · 07-06-2021 2:54pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Not as far as I am aware,

Our salaries will be taxed in Dublin, we need to go there once every two weeks -- max. No problem.

Some parts of the North are stunning. The properties you can buy up here would cost 25% more, as standard. Sometimes they are half the price.

Lads, come up here, the value is nuts.

Your salary will be taxed in Dublin, while all of your income, as you will be tax residing there, will be taxed in NI. So there is potential for double taxation. I don't know the specifics about bilateral agreements on avoiding double taxation between Ireland and Northern Ireland after Brexit, but it is something to think before.

So the problem is not really Irish Revenue, you'll taxed and fine here, but UK revenue.

NIMAN · 07-06-2021 2:59pm

grogi wrote: »

Your salary will be taxed in Dublin, while all of your income, as you will be tax residing there, will be taxed in NI. So there is potential for double taxation. I don't know the specifics about bilateral agreements on avoiding double taxation between Ireland and Northern Ireland after Brexit, but it is something to think before.

So the problem is not really Irish Revenue, you'll taxed and fine here, but UK revenue.

There are loads of people in border counties who work on one side and live on the other.

I'm one of them. Never had any mention of double taxation. And I do a tax return in RoI as I used to have rental income.

07-06-2021 3:01pm

grogi wrote: »

Your salary will be taxed in Dublina, while all of your income, as you will be residing there, will be taxed in NI.

Ireland has a double-taxation agreement with the United Kingdom. Sadly for us, our only incomes are from work, there are no extra earnings. It's pretty straightforward. I can imagine things would get complicated if someone owns property across both borders, or is rich, but that doesn't apply here!

Tyrone212 · 07-06-2021 3:10pm

gmisk wrote: »

Tbh I would feel a lot safer in NI than most places in ROI

Nonsense.

astrofool · 07-06-2021 3:12pm

It will depend on the company, some may have a UK presence as well as an Irish presence and the job may move to the UK company (and salary would change to reflect that).

If you can take advantage of it, do, I wouldn't be too pushed myself, but am already exactly where I want to be in Ireland.

maccored · 07-06-2021 3:31pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's probably not been an option until now.

Working from home gives us the freedom to live anywhere we want, even the most inhospitable, derelict places, such as Northern Ireland.

House prices in Northern Ireland are at least 25% cheaper than in the Republic. You can earn a southern salary and get an NHS. The cost of living is so much cheaper. The benefits are immense.

We are currently looking at properties in Co. Down, I wonder why more Irish people haven't looked to the North as a convenient, cheaper place to relocate?

theres worse places in the republic - far worse

0lddog · 07-06-2021 3:34pm

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

....In the end we opted for Rostrevor ....

Isnt it lovely around there !

Hope it goes well for you

07-06-2021 3:42pm

Yes it’s the company. If you are a contractor that’s fine. If not then in theory any company employing a U.K. employee has to pay U.K. national insurance for that employee. And to do that you may need a legal presence in the U.K. There are different rules on vacation and other benefits as well.

https://blog.paycheckplus.ie/irish-vs-uk-payroll-8-key-differences-paycheckplus-payroll-specialists

That said I’ve worked with northerners down south, but that was pre covid.

Why not move to Northern Ireland?

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