F1 2021 Round 6: Azerbaijan GP

AMKC · 06-06-2021 11:43PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Why is tyre choice restricted to Pirelli only?
Like most Italian automotive products they are not the most durable.

Because that who F1 get there tyres from. They said they do not want another tyre war like when Michelen and Bridgestone supplied the tyres. We all remember what happened in 2005 in America.

quokula · 06-06-2021 11:45PM

While it’s unacceptable that things like this can happen and have a massive impact on the championship through no fault of the teams or drivers involved, never mind the safety issues, I’d be reluctant to put the blame entirely on Pirelli.

The current hybrid cars are far too heavy and are really not fit for purpose, and Pirelli have to try and design tyres to handle these barges without the benefit of any proper testing time with the new cars each year. It’s hardly a surprise they end up having problems.

mickdw · 06-06-2021 11:45PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Why is tyre choice restricted to Pirelli only?
Like most Italian automotive products they are not the most durable.

Thats the rules at the minute. Over the years there have been more than one supplier but that can lead to more dangerous tyres as the competing manufacturers will be pushing to offer the fastest tyre for any given race. Tyres would often also be the deciding factor then. We had previous where one tyre manufacturer supplied ferrari and a couple of small teams. This meant ferrari had bespoke tyres to suit their car giving them a massive advantage - the smaller teams took what they got. Having a mandated supplier means they should be able to turn up with safe tyres and a level playing field
Of course pirelli were given the job of spicing things up when they started supplying so we have had some interesting times with the pirellis.

Charlie-Bravo · 06-06-2021 11:51PM

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Hijpo · 06-06-2021 11:57PM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Didn't they up the tyre pressure today as well?

Top Dog · 07-06-2021 12:00AM

mickdw wrote: »

Debris on track so the failures could be due to cuts too.

The cynic in me thinks they're just getting their excuses ready

Itssoeasy · 07-06-2021 12:11AM

AMKC wrote: »

Because that who F1 get there tyres from. They said they do not want another tyre war like when Michelen and Bridgestone supplied the tyres. We all remember what happened in 2005 in America.

Oh we do. An utter farce in what that was.

tigerboon · 07-06-2021 12:19AM

Tyres, like any other component, will fail from time to time. The tyre manufacturer is under pressure to provide the product that will allow the best racing. That means pushing things a bit. The teams will want it this way. The teams will also push the limits on tyres. Verstappen was unlucky but at the end of the day, Red Bull could have chosen a different strategy. Pirelli said they were good for 40 laps but did RB verify that in practice.
The Mercedes "magic" button is probably something simple like having the brakes rub the whole time in a SC or warm up situation. It's function might change from race to race.
Entertaining race but it would be good to see Ferrari get their act together for LeClerc. I would rate him higher than Verstappen. Mercedes need to look at that 2nd seat as well. Norris?

jammiedodgers · 07-06-2021 01:16AM

Found this on reddit in relation to the "brake magic"

'Magic' is a Mercedes identifier for the term 'preset toggles'

Brake Warming Magic would then mean a brake warming preset toggle.

https://streamable.com/3510te - Russell's account of how Brake Magic works in a Sky interview

It's a preset toggle which overrides the following

Brake Balance (override to a high front-biased value, usually >75.0%)

Display (override to display brake and tyre temperatures)

Strat Mode (override to a harvest mode/Strat Mode 1)

When the preset toggle is disabled, it reverts back to the physical rotaries setting or previous setting

Brake Balance (revert to non-overriden bias)

Display (revert to default page)

Strat Mode (revert to actual Strat Mode rotary position)

quokula · 07-06-2021 01:27AM

tigerboon wrote: »

Tyres, like any other component, will fail from time to time. The tyre manufacturer is under pressure to provide the product that will allow the best racing. That means pushing things a bit. The teams will want it this way. The teams will also push the limits on tyres. Verstappen was unlucky but at the end of the day, Red Bull could have chosen a different strategy. Pirelli said they were good for 40 laps but did RB verify that in practice.
The Mercedes "magic" button is probably something simple like having the brakes rub the whole time in a SC or warm up situation. It's function might change from race to race.
Entertaining race but it would be good to see Ferrari get their act together for LeClerc. I would rate him higher than Verstappen. Mercedes need to look at that 2nd seat as well. Norris?

Considering Verstappen was one of the last people to stop, he was running those tyres for fewer laps than most other cars in the race. Nobody was going for two stops other than some safety car opportunists at the back. So to try and twist it into some kind of situation where Verstappen or Red Bull were at fault for pushing them too far and not making it a two stop strategy just makes no sense.

Lawlesz · 07-06-2021 04:49AM

Hijpo wrote: »

Also, not sure who it was in commentary may have been Di Resta but they were very coy in not divulging exactly that that button was for saying they would leave it up to the team to comment on it. If its jusy brake bias would he be that coy? Not trying to concoct a conspiracy theory just wondering if he would be or why he would think he would be in a delicate position to give that info.

Yeah I think that was Davidson, apparently he has some tie in with Mercedes and did some testing and so didn't want to confirm nor deny what it was. Think it was Ted mentioned it afterwards, and when they came back to AD he passed some comment like "I'm impressed Ted" :pac:

Frank Bullitt · 07-06-2021 05:30AM

Well most of that race was pretty crap. RB had a lot in their car it seems and didn't really push it until they had to. Really gutted for Max, he was flawless once he got the lead.

Hamilton making an uncharacteristic error like that...pressure? I would say Merc aren't really happy right now either, once he was past Leclerc (which he only got due to the branch on the track) he couldn't pull away. When he pitted, RB were almost 0.7 faster that lap.

Huge opportunity for RB and Merc to make inroads, and RB seemed to save it with Perez, delighted for him to get the win.

Seriously tight season developing now.

Frank Bullitt · 07-06-2021 05:41AM

Alonso seizing another opportunity as well today, his restart was amazing to watch.

Burkie1203 · 07-06-2021 07:05AM

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Hamilton making an uncharacteristic error like that...pressure?

Last 18 months or so

Pushed albon off the track twice
Slid off at Imola but was saved by a red flag.
Was woeful in Monaco
Pitted when the pitlane was closed at Monza
Sochi practice start from wrong place.

Every time he messes up, its uncharacteristic. But ....

flazio · 07-06-2021 07:08AM

I can almost imagine how much Drive to Survive will milk the Stroll crash. Insert Lawrence talking about how scared he is, the usual drill.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-06-2021 08:47AM

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Yeah but it could be cuts to the tyre. The fact that is was the same tyre (rear left) on both tyres suggests is could be a kerb that burst both tyres. Likewise it could be because the rear left couldn't handle the pressure put through it from the racing. We don't know either way.

And pirelli doesn't owe you and me an explanation but they do owe the stakeholders an explanation and assurance they'll make changes to ensure it doesn't happen again.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-06-2021 08:53AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Last 18 months or so

Pushed albon off the track twice
Slid off at Imola but was saved by a red flag.
Was woeful in Monaco
Pitted when the pitlane was closed at Monza
Sochi practice start from wrong place.

Every time he messes up, its uncharacteristic. But ....

Right but you're spanning 3 season looking for mistakes. Also, he was grand in Monaco. The strategy was very poor but he wasn't woeful.

This isn't crashes every few races and balling things up regularly. The technical stuff like the practice start and entering the pitlane in Monza are pretty unlikely mistakes.

I often find that they talk about the greats as being brilliant every race, then you look back and see Senna in 5th position and not really doing much in a race and realise that they have to do this stuff for the storytelling side. They all have good days and bad days. The number of mistakes you mentioned is pretty low for the most scrutinised driver on the grid over 3 seasons.

LMHC · 07-06-2021 08:57AM

I think its laughable that people are trying to downgrade Lewis ability. Lewis is the best to do it and yes maybe some can't see it because their blinding dislike.

eviltimeban · 07-06-2021 09:10AM

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-06-2021 09:41AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

It could be good for Perez in terms of getting another contract at Red Bull. There aren't many good seats on the grid at the moment. He was doing the ideal job of being second, securing a 1-2, beating Hamilton and not challenging Max. First RB driver to do that since Mark Webber

Hijpo · 07-06-2021 09:58AM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Found this on reddit in relation to the "brake magic"

Thats crazy, so on the dash it would have told him he magic brake bias was on and he didn't see it?
I didn't see his hand positions but would it have been covering the dash?

McFly85 · 07-06-2021 10:00AM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

Horner was actually asked that yesterday - he commented on Checos race pace and said it looked for a while like he could catch Max, and he was asked if he would have allowed it - said of course, it’s too early in the season for any team orders like that. I think RB would be delighted for either of their drivers to be in with a shout of a WC.

Mercedes is the opposite, after Rosberg they have no intention of giving Lewis team competition.

It’s interesting now because Perez really looks to be getting to grips with the car, and while Hamilton is still favourite for the drivers championship, RB must think the constructors is a realistic shout this year.

ItsChecoTime · 07-06-2021 10:32AM

Fantastic win for Sergio, hopefully that's a weight off his back and he can push on from here with any Albon comparisons well and truly dismissed now.

Interesting how Sainz' lock up caused one of the most important parts of the race with both Lewis and Gasly hoping for a VSC and pitting under the yellows. With Lewis' straight-line speed it would have been interesting to see whether the red bulls could have got past him on the track

Darwin · 07-06-2021 11:50AM

Overall not the most exciting race, but the two tyre incidents and the restart livened it up towards the end. It was very refreshing to see three drivers on the podium who were delighted with their respective positions and not somebody standing on the second or third spot with a rain cloud over them.

MadYaker · 07-06-2021 12:13PM

Darwin wrote: »

Overall not the most exciting race, but the two tyre incidents and the restart livened it up towards the end. It was very refreshing to see three drivers on the podium who were delighted with their respective positions and not somebody standing on the second or third spot with a rain cloud over them.

I enjoyed all of it to be honest, less barrier shunting than I expected but it was still interesting watching the different strategies play out. Once the tire blowouts happened it got very interesting, 2 lap sprint races might be worth a look as a form of qualifying or something? :pac:

Also what's the latest on the tires? Was it debris or failure?

flazio · 07-06-2021 12:40PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Also what's the latest on the tires? Was it debris or failure?

Interview with Pirelli by Sky Sport Germany but conducted in English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKzW9L6SMXA

MadYaker · 07-06-2021 12:52PM

They're basically saying nothing which isn't that surprising I suppose.

Funny video of Toto on the restart, the headset almost got it :pac:

recyclebin · 07-06-2021 01:07PM

Anyone spot Toto's mask slipping there :P

klose · 07-06-2021 01:17PM

I wonder will yesterday mean we won't see the softest sets for another bit while they're investigating what happened?

Obviously the podium yesterday was refreshing to see, can't help but smile seeing vettel there, looks like he's getting the feel for the car and happy with it, gasly really is mustard too. There was plenty talk that checo likes Baku and he walked the walk and talked the talk.

Season certainly shaping up nicely, looks like red bull will be favourites for the constructors seeing as bottas looks a bit of a lost soul at the moment, hopeuflly max can keep up his performance too, the Mercedes situation is fascinating really seeing how it pans out.

Spudman_20000 · 07-06-2021 05:44PM

Gotta say I enjoyed Paul "mee-jum tyre" Di Riesta in the comms box yesterday.

Brundle has become very stale of late, same old clichés. Sounds bored most of the time.

F1 2021 Round 6: Azerbaijan GP

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