F1 2021 Round 6: Azerbaijan GP

Faugheen

Hijpo wrote: »

Also, not sure who it was in commentary may have been Di Resta but they were very coy in not divulging exactly that that button was for saying they would leave it up to the team to comment on it. If its jusy break bias would he be that coy? Not trying to concoct a conspiracy theory just wondering if he would be or why he would think he would be in a delicate position to give that info.

I remember this. It was Anthony Davidson. He was being extremely vague and not quite keen to actually state what it was - ‘the team will explain that’ etc. Thought it was very unusual at the time.

Ted came in then and said the line about keeping the brakes and tyres warm during SC and formation laps alright.

pjohnson

Ant Davidson does simulator work for Mercedes so probably didnt want to speak out of turn. He aint Lewis he would be chopped asap if he misspoke.

mickdw

Hijpo wrote: »

Also, not sure who it was in commentary may have been Di Resta but they were very coy in not divulging exactly that that button was for saying they would leave it up to the team to comment on it. If its jusy brake bias would he be that coy? Not trying to concoct a conspiracy theory just wondering if he would be or why he would think he would be in a delicate position to give that info.

Mercedes have been using the magic term for a good while. Its not exactly clear what it does but the guy on sky was Anthony Davidson.
Who is mercedes sim driver so he knows exactly what its about but it wouldnt be right for him to just let that out of the bag live on sky.

flazio

Something that the F1 cameras missed during the race

https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1401597333893173251?s=19

Burkie1203

Pirelli say tyres issues may be debris as they found a cut on Hamiltons left rear.

Top Dog

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Pirelli say tyres issues may be debris as they found a cut on Hamiltons left rear.

Except his didn't fail so what difference does it make?

chicorytip

Why is tyre choice restricted to Pirelli only?
Like most Italian automotive products they are not the most durable.

mickdw

Top Dog wrote: »

Except his didn't fail so what difference does it make?

Debris on track so the failures could be due to cuts too.

AMKC

chicorytip wrote: »

Why is tyre choice restricted to Pirelli only?
Like most Italian automotive products they are not the most durable.

Because that who F1 get there tyres from. They said they do not want another tyre war like when Michelen and Bridgestone supplied the tyres. We all remember what happened in 2005 in America.

quokula

While it’s unacceptable that things like this can happen and have a massive impact on the championship through no fault of the teams or drivers involved, never mind the safety issues, I’d be reluctant to put the blame entirely on Pirelli.

The current hybrid cars are far too heavy and are really not fit for purpose, and Pirelli have to try and design tyres to handle these barges without the benefit of any proper testing time with the new cars each year. It’s hardly a surprise they end up having problems.

mickdw

chicorytip wrote: »

Why is tyre choice restricted to Pirelli only?
Like most Italian automotive products they are not the most durable.

Thats the rules at the minute. Over the years there have been more than one supplier but that can lead to more dangerous tyres as the competing manufacturers will be pushing to offer the fastest tyre for any given race. Tyres would often also be the deciding factor then. We had previous where one tyre manufacturer supplied ferrari and a couple of small teams. This meant ferrari had bespoke tyres to suit their car giving them a massive advantage - the smaller teams took what they got. Having a mandated supplier means they should be able to turn up with safe tyres and a level playing field
Of course pirelli were given the job of spicing things up when they started supplying so we have had some interesting times with the pirellis.

Charlie-Bravo

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Hijpo

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Didn't they up the tyre pressure today as well?

Top Dog

mickdw wrote: »

Debris on track so the failures could be due to cuts too.

The cynic in me thinks they're just getting their excuses ready

Itssoeasy

AMKC wrote: »

Because that who F1 get there tyres from. They said they do not want another tyre war like when Michelen and Bridgestone supplied the tyres. We all remember what happened in 2005 in America.

Oh we do. An utter farce in what that was.

tigerboon

Tyres, like any other component, will fail from time to time. The tyre manufacturer is under pressure to provide the product that will allow the best racing. That means pushing things a bit. The teams will want it this way. The teams will also push the limits on tyres. Verstappen was unlucky but at the end of the day, Red Bull could have chosen a different strategy. Pirelli said they were good for 40 laps but did RB verify that in practice.
The Mercedes "magic" button is probably something simple like having the brakes rub the whole time in a SC or warm up situation. It's function might change from race to race.
Entertaining race but it would be good to see Ferrari get their act together for LeClerc. I would rate him higher than Verstappen. Mercedes need to look at that 2nd seat as well. Norris?

jammiedodgers

Found this on reddit in relation to the "brake magic"

'Magic' is a Mercedes identifier for the term 'preset toggles'

Brake Warming Magic would then mean a brake warming preset toggle.

https://streamable.com/3510te - Russell's account of how Brake Magic works in a Sky interview

It's a preset toggle which overrides the following

Brake Balance (override to a high front-biased value, usually >75.0%)

Display (override to display brake and tyre temperatures)

Strat Mode (override to a harvest mode/Strat Mode 1)

When the preset toggle is disabled, it reverts back to the physical rotaries setting or previous setting

Brake Balance (revert to non-overriden bias)

Display (revert to default page)

Strat Mode (revert to actual Strat Mode rotary position)

quokula

tigerboon wrote: »

Tyres, like any other component, will fail from time to time. The tyre manufacturer is under pressure to provide the product that will allow the best racing. That means pushing things a bit. The teams will want it this way. The teams will also push the limits on tyres. Verstappen was unlucky but at the end of the day, Red Bull could have chosen a different strategy. Pirelli said they were good for 40 laps but did RB verify that in practice.
The Mercedes "magic" button is probably something simple like having the brakes rub the whole time in a SC or warm up situation. It's function might change from race to race.
Entertaining race but it would be good to see Ferrari get their act together for LeClerc. I would rate him higher than Verstappen. Mercedes need to look at that 2nd seat as well. Norris?

Considering Verstappen was one of the last people to stop, he was running those tyres for fewer laps than most other cars in the race. Nobody was going for two stops other than some safety car opportunists at the back. So to try and twist it into some kind of situation where Verstappen or Red Bull were at fault for pushing them too far and not making it a two stop strategy just makes no sense.

Lawlesz

Hijpo wrote: »

Also, not sure who it was in commentary may have been Di Resta but they were very coy in not divulging exactly that that button was for saying they would leave it up to the team to comment on it. If its jusy brake bias would he be that coy? Not trying to concoct a conspiracy theory just wondering if he would be or why he would think he would be in a delicate position to give that info.

Yeah I think that was Davidson, apparently he has some tie in with Mercedes and did some testing and so didn't want to confirm nor deny what it was. Think it was Ted mentioned it afterwards, and when they came back to AD he passed some comment like "I'm impressed Ted" :pac:

Frank Bullitt

Well most of that race was pretty crap. RB had a lot in their car it seems and didn't really push it until they had to. Really gutted for Max, he was flawless once he got the lead.

Hamilton making an uncharacteristic error like that...pressure? I would say Merc aren't really happy right now either, once he was past Leclerc (which he only got due to the branch on the track) he couldn't pull away. When he pitted, RB were almost 0.7 faster that lap.

Huge opportunity for RB and Merc to make inroads, and RB seemed to save it with Perez, delighted for him to get the win.

Seriously tight season developing now.

Frank Bullitt

Alonso seizing another opportunity as well today, his restart was amazing to watch.

Burkie1203

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

Hamilton making an uncharacteristic error like that...pressure?

Last 18 months or so


Pushed albon off the track twice
Slid off at Imola but was saved by a red flag.
Was woeful in Monaco
Pitted when the pitlane was closed at Monza
Sochi practice start from wrong place.


Every time he messes up, its uncharacteristic. But ....

flazio

I can almost imagine how much Drive to Survive will milk the Stroll crash. Insert Lawrence talking about how scared he is, the usual drill.

El_Duderino 09

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

So Perelli saying it's cuts to tyres. Let me guess they find a corner kerb stone on the track with a sharp edge. It would explain it alright, but I bet their tech team will be out inspecting every inch of the track to cover their arses.

Yeah but it could be cuts to the tyre. The fact that is was the same tyre (rear left) on both tyres suggests is could be a kerb that burst both tyres. Likewise it could be because the rear left couldn't handle the pressure put through it from the racing. We don't know either way.

And pirelli doesn't owe you and me an explanation but they do owe the stakeholders an explanation and assurance they'll make changes to ensure it doesn't happen again.

El_Duderino 09

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Last 18 months or so


Pushed albon off the track twice
Slid off at Imola but was saved by a red flag.
Was woeful in Monaco
Pitted when the pitlane was closed at Monza
Sochi practice start from wrong place.


Every time he messes up, its uncharacteristic. But ....

Right but you're spanning 3 season looking for mistakes. Also, he was grand in Monaco. The strategy was very poor but he wasn't woeful.

This isn't crashes every few races and balling things up regularly. The technical stuff like the practice start and entering the pitlane in Monza are pretty unlikely mistakes.

I often find that they talk about the greats as being brilliant every race, then you look back and see Senna in 5th position and not really doing much in a race and realise that they have to do this stuff for the storytelling side. They all have good days and bad days. The number of mistakes you mentioned is pretty low for the most scrutinised driver on the grid over 3 seasons.

LMHC

I think its laughable that people are trying to downgrade Lewis ability. Lewis is the best to do it and yes maybe some can't see it because their blinding dislike.

eviltimeban

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

El_Duderino 09

eviltimeban wrote: »

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

It could be good for Perez in terms of getting another contract at Red Bull. There aren't many good seats on the grid at the moment. He was doing the ideal job of being second, securing a 1-2, beating Hamilton and not challenging Max. First RB driver to do that since Mark Webber

Hijpo

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Found this on reddit in relation to the "brake magic"

Thats crazy, so on the dash it would have told him he magic brake bias was on and he didn't see it?
I didn't see his hand positions but would it have been covering the dash?

McFly85

eviltimeban wrote: »

Delighted for Seb, good result for Alonso, Checo's win is good for him but RB are all about Max so it won't really make any difference when it comes down to it.

If Hamilton wins this year, I feel he'll have really earned it for the first time in ages.

Horner was actually asked that yesterday - he commented on Checos race pace and said it looked for a while like he could catch Max, and he was asked if he would have allowed it - said of course, it’s too early in the season for any team orders like that. I think RB would be delighted for either of their drivers to be in with a shout of a WC.

Mercedes is the opposite, after Rosberg they have no intention of giving Lewis team competition.

It’s interesting now because Perez really looks to be getting to grips with the car, and while Hamilton is still favourite for the drivers championship, RB must think the constructors is a realistic shout this year.