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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It says on GBFM that they can run on electric only for 2.5 km. What's the story the rest of the time. Are they diesel powered? Are they plug-in hybrid?
    If they anything like Prius they run on real fuel some of the time and electricity some of the time.

    The hybrid buses, which can operate a zero-tailpipe emission mode for a distance of at least 2.5km, will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 30%.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Don't understand why we're buying hybrid buses when fully battery-electric buses are available now - 500 are already in use in the UK, and the Chinese have had them for ten years ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    serfboard wrote: »
    Don't understand why we're buying hybrid buses when fully battery-electric buses are available now - 500 are already in use in the UK, and the Chinese have had them for ten years ...

    Do you know who is the manufacturer of these NTA ones?
    Presume they are cheaper than a fully battery-electric bus?


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    The cost of the Galway ring road is climbing. Grealish - "the cost of this project, if it gets the go-ahead, will be in excess of €1 billion euro”.

    https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/122021/city-ring-road-likely-to-cost-1-billion-by-the-time-it-is-eventually-built-td-claims#.YK9RByNu-DY.twitter


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    The cost of the Galway ring road is climbing. Grealish - "the cost of this project, if it gets the go-ahead, will be in excess of €1 billion euro”.

    https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/122021/city-ring-road-likely-to-cost-1-billion-by-the-time-it-is-eventually-built-td-claims#.YK9RByNu-DY.twitter

    can we send the bill to the regular objectors? first plan would have been built by now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    The cost of the Galway ring road is climbing. Grealish - "the cost of this project, if it gets the go-ahead, will be in excess of €1 billion euro”.

    https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/122021/city-ring-road-likely-to-cost-1-billion-by-the-time-it-is-eventually-built-td-claims#.YK9RByNu-DY.twitter

    No surprise, was costed at €650,000,000 six years ago; look at the Childrens hospital....

    This new info for me "approximately €20 million on the current project."

    So €20 million already spent on it, does that include Council cost or just all private consultancy fees?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd say mostly consultancy costs, the council don't do much in-house anymore.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    1 billion and it still wouldn't fix the problem

    Utter stupidity


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    1 billion and it still wouldn't fix the problem

    Utter stupidity

    Jaysus you'd get a few cinemas and a capital of culture for that money.


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    IDA expanding Parkmore

    "Galway County Council is due to make a decision on this planning application by June 10."

    Very quick turnaround for that decision, or has this been submitted for a while?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Jaysus you'd get a few cinemas and a capital of culture for that money.

    and a NEW hospital


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Or about 1,250 hydrogen fuel cell double decker buses, capable of moving 160,000 people at any given moment! It'd be like Salthill Sundays with all the public transport.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic



    I'd say NTA have finally shaken down the IDA to contribute a good bit towards transport infrastructure in Parkmore.
    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Parkmore-Area-Strategic-Transport-Framework.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭timmyntc



    In fairness, better to expand Parkmore than build offices on the West side of the city.

    The city as a whole needs to grow Eastwards if the traffic problem is ever to be solved, the corrib will always be a pinch point no matter how many bypasses you build.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    timmyntc wrote: »
    In fairness, better to expand Parkmore than build offices on the West side of the city.
    Disagree.
    Better to have good public transport links to any high density developments whatever and where ever they are in the City.
    Parkmore is not a good example of this, it will improve but it did not have to be this way. Really poor planning and no foresight.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The importance of permeability has been mentioned a number of times over the last year on this thread.

    I came across this today which I think perfectly encapsulates the true value of good permeability.

    - It allows for more direct routes
    - Use of lower traffic roads
    - Great for pedestrians, disabled, buggy and bike users

    So, if at some point over the next few years you hear about a city council proposal to increase permeability in your local area, keep this video of a few school kids cycling home in the pishin rain in your mind (second vid)

    https://twitter.com/kevigi/status/1400500004377276418?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    So, if at some point over the next few years you hear about a city council proposal to increase permeability in your local area, keep this video of a few school kids cycling home in the pishin rain in your mind (second vid)

    https://twitter.com/kevigi/status/1400500004377276418?s=20
    Very good example alright.
    Practically all those permeability shortcuts in that video are in Salthill - it is no surprise that the older area's of the Citys have the best CSO stats for walking and cycling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    i'd still take the car, thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0603/1225934-cycling-school/

    Dominican College Girls Secondary School in Taylor's Hill in Galway has over 500 pupils, but only two who cycle to school.

    Not great no's for cycling considering its location, wonder what the walking figures are like for the school


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    It's looking more and more unlikely that the ring road is going to happen
    Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action launches report on reducing carbon emission in transport sector by 51% by 2030

    Link - https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/20210603-joint-committee-on-environment-and-climate-action-launches-report-on-reducing-carbon-emission-in-transport-sector-by-51-by-2030/

    The Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action today calls for a review of all planned road construction projects with a view to reallocating funding to sustainable transport schemes, consideration of road charging and mileage reduction targets, accelerated transition to electric vehicles and electrification of commuter rail lines, and an immediate expansion of public transport measures for rural and dispersed communities.

    The Committee launched its Report on Reducing Emissions in the Transport Sector by 51% by 2030, the first of a series of sector analyses on how Ireland will meet its target of a 51% reduction in emissions by 2030 and net zero emissions by 2050, in line with the Climate Action and Low-Carbon Development (Amendment) Bill 2020 currently going through the Houses of the Oireachtas.

    Committee Cathaoirleach Deputy Brian Leddin said: “Ireland has the fourth highest level of transport emissions per capita in Europe and the transport sector is responsible for around 20% of our overall CO₂ emissions, with private cars being the largest contributors to transport emissions. Taking into account projected population growth and, in turn, economic growth in the coming decades, Ireland will face a significant challenge in decarbonisation of the transport sector.”

    The key theme to emerged from the Committee meetings and written submissions from stakeholders was that the ‘avoid-shift-improve’ approach to reducing emissions is the internationally recognised standard that should be implemented in order to achieve our targets by 2050. This approach sets the emphasis on more radical and long-term policy changes:

    • Avoid – reduce the need for travel;
    • Shift – move travel to more environmentally-friendly/sustainable modes;
    • Improve – improve efficiency of transport modes to reduce emissions.


    Deputy Leddin said: “Our report seeks to embed the ‘avoid-shift-improve’ approach into our transport and mobility infrastructure planning. Reducing transport demand must be the first and key priority, followed by shifting carbon-intensive journeys to zero carbon modes such as walking and cycling, and by providing sustainable public transport in both rural and urban areas.

    “This report challenges the conventional ‘predict and provide’ approach and legacy of poor planning that has induced traffic and car dependency, driven road construction and high greenhouse gas emissions, with their resulting adverse consequences for our economy, our health, our society and our environment.”

    The Committee makes a total of 47 conclusions and recommendations across five areas – planning, public transport and active modes, electrification, freight transport and future challenges. The main recommendations are:
    • A review of future road construction projects should be conducted, to include an analysis of whether such substantial investment would be better allocated to more sustainable projects such as remote-working hubs and sustainable transport modes;

    • Further exploration be given to the establishment of remote working hubs in towns and villages, including sustainable transport links to these hubs, particularly in less densely populated areas, and that a national target for remote working should be introduced;

    • A policy of road space reallocation away from the private car and towards sustainable transport modes be introduced for cities, towns and villages, in order to induce demand for sustainable transport modes and to reduce capacity for private cars;

    • In light of the evidence from rural public transport projects such as the ‘Every Village, Every Hour’ project in Germany, there should be a significant increase in targeted investment in an immediate expansion of public transport measures for rural and dispersed communities in Ireland, to provide a realistic alternative to travelling by car;

    • The examination of road user charges, including potential targets for car mileage reductions to reduce transport emissions. The reallocation of revenue from such charges to more sustainable alternatives should form part of this examination;

    • Cycling superhighways such as those in Denmark and London should be developed as an alternative travel option for those living outside larger cities. Family-friendly cycling infrastructure should also be introduced;

    • A free public transport system should be costed as an option for encouraging the uptake of public transport in Ireland. The Minister for Transport should consider the benefits and feasibility of the provision of free public transport, based on the experiences in Europe and elsewhere, and roll out initiatives in this respect as soon as possible;

    • To achieve a transition to fully electric, zero-emission Electric Vehicles (EVs), efforts should be made to fully and quicklyequalise the purchase cost of new zero emission EVs with fossil fuel vehicles. Incentives and supports for EV take-up should be reviewed and targeted;

    • Consideration be given to the further electrification of all public transport including commuter rail lines as part of the DART+ programme;

    • An appropriately revised cost-benefit methodology should be applied to a review of current plans for the expansion of rail lines, including commuter lines that have been excluded due to current cost-benefit analysis tools;

    • An appropriately revised cost-benefit methodology should be applied to all transport projects to capture the short- and long-term climate costs and benefits and the potentially excessive weight given to time savings;

    • In order to address emissions in relation to road freight, a central digitalised system for freight logistics in Ireland should be developed which would allow all carriers to work towards ensuring fully loaded journeys, backloading, as well as re-routing and rescheduling to avoid congestion. Measures to encourage use of national and toll roads by freight rather than smaller roads should be considered, which may include flat annual fees for toll roads.
    Deputy Leddin concluded: “This report points the way towards how we achieve the necessary reduction in transport emissions through a fundamental change in how we plan and manage a quality and sustainable transport system in Ireland.”

    The Joint Committee on Environment and Climate Action has 14 Members, nine from the Dáil and five from the Seanad.

    The Committee’s Report on Reducing Emissions in the Transport Sector by 51% by 2030 is available on the Oireachtas website.

    The report is available here


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    The report calls out the Galway ring road specifically as one that may be more beneficial if its cancelled and the monies directed to alternative transport options for Galway city.
    Many stakeholders highlighted that decades of poor planning have resulted in significant numbers of low-density communities, most of which have had little, if any, integration of public transport and land use planning. In addition, heavy development of motorway and road networks has imposed car dependency on a significant proportion of the population, with no sustainable alternatives.

    Dr. Tadhg O’Mahony outlined that:
    “through urban sprawl, our settlement pattern has increased travel distances. At the same time, transport policy directed major investment towards roads and motorways and allowed walking, cycling and public transport to stagnate or decline in comparison.”

    In turn, economic growth, particularly following the recent recession, led to an increase in demand for transport and exacerbated the unsustainable use of private cars over public transport.

    It has been widely stated that the construction of roads and motorways is inconsistent with the aim to reduce carbon emissions in the transport sector.

    Aside from the emissions as a result of the construction process, generally, road schemes result in increased traffic due to the increased road capacity which encourages car dependency and increased driving speeds.

    Dr. Lynn Sloman outlined that in an assessment undertaken of the English Department of Transport’s road investment strategy RIS2:
    “we found that RIS2 was likely to increase cumulative CO₂ emissions by about 20 megatonnes between now and 2032. That is about 5% of emissions from the strategic road network over the relevant time period. About one-third of the additional emissions are from construction, one-third from increases from high speeds and onethird from induced traffic.”

    In exploring this finding, the Committee suggested the need for some road construction in some instances, such as, to redirect heavy volumes of traffic congestion out of towns and villages. While stakeholders agreed that some targeted road construction may be necessary where there is a particular problem, it was re-emphasised that road construction – even in tandem with the electrification of vehicles – is not the best strategy to reduce congestion and will not provide the significant reductions in emissions that is urgently needed. This was highlighted by Mr. Andrew Murphy in relation to the Galway relief road project.

    The impact assessment for that project showed that:
    “the evidence was pretty clear that building the road would cause more cars to be used in Galway and would make the city more car dependent. Is our vision to have electric buses stuck in traffic behind electric cars? That is what we will get if we pursue both the electrification of vehicles and the construction of more roads.”

    Additionally, stakeholders emphasised that the building of new roads is expensive and these budgets could be reallocated and utilised for more sustainable projects.

    The Committee agreed that, in order to move away from the current system, planning policy has to be significantly transformed to repair urban sprawl, prevent low-density development and avoid the generation of longer journeys by car. This will be of significance for local and regional areas where strategic planning can work to revitalise towns and villages.


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    Young Bella Quinn from Taylors Hill secondary school appeared on RTE regarding a story on why there were over 500 pupils at the school but only 2 were cycling to school.

    https://twitter.com/GalwayCycling/status/1400560718143950852?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭topcat77


    Laviski wrote: »
    i'd still take the car, thanks.

    people try and have a productive debate and then you have this!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    topcat77 wrote: »
    people try and have a productive debate and then you have this!

    debate? laughable
    hasn't been a debate since Nox exit, just majority posts from the pro cycle camp. nothing here meeting definition of a debate.

    my comment was toward the video of lashing rain where people admitting getting soaked while determined to cycle. I'd be either leaving the bikes there or put them in boot of car/bike rack of car and get home dry. Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.


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    Laviski wrote: »
    debate? laughable
    hasn't been a debate since Nox exit, just majority posts from the pro cycle camp. nothing here meeting definition of a debate.

    I find people often complain about being bullied during engagement when they are arguing from a very weak position. The arguments from the pro-car side have little strength beyond emotion while the active-travel/active-mobility/pro-cycling/anti-car (whatever name you choose to assign) often have numerous scientific studies, evidence from cities all over the world etc etc
    my comment was toward the video of lashing rain where people admitting getting soaked while determined to cycle. I'd be either leaving the bikes there or put them in boot of car/bike rack of car and get home dry. Rather than ending up coughing and spluttering which would end in the kids not being allowed into the school under the current climate.

    There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,413 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Traffic gone nuts all day


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Laviski wrote: »
    since Nox exit,

    <snip>


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Laviski


    I find people often complain about being bullied during engagement when they are arguing from a very weak position. The arguments from the pro-car side have little strength beyond emotion while the active-travel/active-mobility/pro-cycling/anti-car (whatever name you choose to assign) often have numerous scientific studies, evidence from cities all over the world etc etc



    There's no such thing as bad weather, only the wrong clothes :)

    bullied ? no some people got banned and/or stopped using boards, hence the lack of posts from the motorized folks. plus many made their contributions and dont feel the need to keep recycling their posts.

    pro car side is just emotion? get real, if there any side of emotion here it's on the cyclists side. Getting from A to B consistently in a timely manner is my only driving force. no emotion about that, if there are viable alternatives i would take it.

    wrong clothes? just recently you could have four seasons in one day, you can't pack and keep carry clothes for every eventuality. On your own maybe, but not when kids in tow.


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