Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Captain_Crash · 04-06-2021 10:23AM

I see Tony is on the way to Limerick with SD this morning to meet with pal TD’s regarding Limerick case numbers. Putting my personal opinions on him aside for a moment, I take huge issue with an unelected advisor being involved in government meetings such as this where is is likely he will have an input greater than his position should dictate.

By all means advise, but being involved in government discussions such as this is a step too far for me!

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 10:26AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I see Tony is on the way to Limerick with SD this morning to meet with pal TD’s regarding Limerick case numbers. Putting my personal opinions on him aside for a moment, I take huge issue with an unelected advisor being involved in government meetings such as this where is is likely he will have an input greater than his position should dictate.

By all means advise, but being involved in government discussions such as this is a step too far for me!

It smacks of a publicity stunt.

Is it the alpha or delta variant that's down in Limerick anyway?

Boggles · 04-06-2021 10:26AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I see Tony is on the way to Limerick with SD this morning to meet with pal TD’s regarding Limerick case numbers. Putting my personal opinions on him aside for a moment, I take huge issue with an unelected advisor being involved in government meetings such as this where is is likely he will have an input greater than his position should dictate.

By all means advise, but being involved in government discussions such as this is a step too far for me!

You clearly haven't.

timmyntc · 04-06-2021 10:27AM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

It smacks of a publicity stunt.

Is it the alpha or delta variant that's down in Limerick anyway?

he has to get down there to find more material for his tweets!

04-06-2021 10:29AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I take huge issue with an unelected advisor being involved in government meetings such as this where is is likely he will have an input greater than his position should dictate

You have issues with a government advisor giving advice to government?

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 10:30AM

timmyntc wrote: »

he has to get down there to find more material for his tweets!

‘Explosive multiplier effect’ leaves Limerick Covid situation at ‘very volatile’ level - HSE chief

Jesus lads if its the delta variant and it mixes with the explosive multiplier effect and then does a double mutation we could all be wiped out in days.

Captain_Crash · 04-06-2021 10:37AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have issues with a government advisor giving advice to government?

I’ve an issue with an advisor being involved in government meetings! That’s not advising, that’s discussing policy, which isn’t in his remit.

Boggles · 04-06-2021 10:43AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve an issue with an advisor being involved in government meetings! That’s not advising, that’s discussing policy, which isn’t in his remit.

What government meeting?

He is briefing local officials on the epidemiology situation in Limerick and meeting with public health officials.

The Chief Medical Officer and chair of the emergency task force setup to deal with the pandemic.

Who should be down there? Should we have sent the head of Fisheries Board?

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 10:45AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve an issue with an advisor being involved in government meetings! That’s not advising, that’s discussing policy, which isn’t in his remit.

We are dealing with the explosive multipler effect though so his intervention might just stop it mixing with the delta variant.

Although the beta variant has rumoured to have landed in Shannon.

His worry index is at an all time low too.

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 10:47AM

Boggles wrote: »

What government meeting?

He is briefing local officials on the epidemiology situation in Limerick and meeting with public health officials.

The Chief Medical Officer and chair of the emergency task force setup to deal with the pandemic.

Who should be down there? Should we have sent the head of Fisheries Board?

80 in hospital. Maybe send nobody and quit the theatrics for once.

paddyisreal · 04-06-2021 10:57AM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

‘Explosive multiplier effect’ leaves Limerick Covid situation at ‘very volatile’ level - HSE chief

Jesus lads if its the delta variant and it mixes with the explosive multiplier effect and then does a double mutation we could all be wiped out in days.

He is some spoofer that Reid lad, good old Ireland fail your way to the top.

prunudo · 04-06-2021 10:58AM

As I said in another post yesterday, if the people who are involved in the spread in Limerick at present haven't been adhering to rules or guidelines to date. What use is the 2 lads heading down going to achieve.
As has been said, theatrics and media ops is all this is about.

Ballynally · 04-06-2021 11:05AM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

80 in hospital. Maybe send nobody and quit the theatrics for once.

You have to understand that hospital nrs have been taken off the Variable Of Concern list.
It is all about the Rise of the Variants in terms of percentage growth, and the headlines '50% growth in x variant detected'! All unrelated to actual rise in hospitalizations.
As i have said before, the link infections>hospitalizations>deaths has been broken for a while now, yet people persist on using or assuming it..
If we had only concentrated on actual treatments like Ivermectin and others we wouldnt have been in this state of affairs..

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 11:09AM

Ballynally wrote: »

You have to understand that hospital nrs have been taken off the Variable Of Concern list.
It is all about the Rise of the Variants in terms of percentage growth, and the headlines '50% growth in x variant detected'!
As i have said before, the link infections>hospitalizations>deaths has been broken for a while now, yet people persist on using or assuming it..

Don't forget the concerning explosive multiplier effect

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04-06-2021 11:25AM

Ballynally wrote: »

From BBC northern Ireland:
"Holidaymakers travelling to Portugal will have to self-isolate for 10 days on their return to Northern Ireland, ministers have agreed.

The executive has decided to remove the country from its so-called green list of destinations after the UK goverment also opted to do so.

It has now been placed on the amber list.

The key difference is the self-isolation requirement. The move comes into force after 04:00 BST on Tuesday.

The Northern Ireland Executive announced its green list of 12 countries, including Portugal, just two weeks ago.

Travel to countries on the green list means you do not have to isolate on return.

If travelling to Northern Ireland from an amber country, either directly or via another country, you must provide proof of a negative Covid test result taken up to three days before departure, book post arrival testing and also self-isolate for 10 days.".

So much for the fully vaccinated being deemed safe to travel and not having to test and isolate. There were/are a lot of UK fully vaccinated visitors on a break or booked one in June, looking forward to safe passage. And european travellers as well.
You can clearly see the fear of variants leading to sudden restrictions for the summer months no matter your vaccination status.
So it seems the 'you need to be fully vaccinated to enjoy the benefits' only goes so far.

The only thing i am not entirely sure of, reading the statement, is if it means both testing AND self isolation for everyone.
Some media outlets talk of hotel quarantine, some don't even mention tests.
I take it each country will make up the rules as they see fit despite the EU wide Covid Cert. You can be certain of that uncertainty..

Bloodly NPHET trying to control our lives, only country with these type of controls, laughing stock of europe, blah blah blah

04-06-2021 11:29AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I see Tony is on the way to Limerick with SD this morning to meet with pal TD’s regarding Limerick case numbers. Putting my personal opinions on him aside for a moment, I take huge issue with an unelected advisor being involved in government meetings such as this where is is likely he will have an input greater than his position should dictate.

By all means advise, but being involved in government discussions such as this is a step too far for me!

Yes, isnt it ridiculous, the Cheif Medical officer being involved in meetings related to a highly transmissible virus in the third largest urban area in the state. The cheek of him

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 11:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, isnt it ridiculous, the Cheif Medical officer being involved in meetings related to a highly transmissible virus in the third largest urban area in the state. The cheek of him

How do you know its even in the city?

04-06-2021 11:43AM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

How do you know its even in the city?

What difference would it make if it was in Bruff, Caherconlish or Askeaton. What is bizarre is the insistence that the chief medical officer should not be involved in discussion related to the area with current largest incidence rate of the virus, a multiple of anywhere else in the country, irrespective of where it is.

Maybe if we ignore the virus altogether we can pretend everything is awesome

Boggles · 04-06-2021 11:43AM

Ballynally wrote: »

If we had only concentrated on actual treatments like Ivermectin and others we wouldnt have been in this state of affairs..

That's the one the antivaxers are touting as an alternative to vaccines.

Anyway statement from the company who actually makes the drug.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic

Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.

Obviously the reality doesn't concern antivaxers.

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 11:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe if we ignore the virus altogether we can pretend everything is awesome

I'd say if we ignored it hospitalisation could go from 82 to 124.

We are in big trouble for sure, the explosive multiplier effect, the delta variant and the reopening of hospitality, a nuclear storm.

We could be looking at 54 in ICU in 2 weeks.

paddyisreal · 04-06-2021 11:54AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bloodly NPHET trying to control our lives, only country with these type of controls, laughing stock of europe, blah blah blah

No laughing stock of the world, last country for outdoor dining in the world !

04-06-2021 11:57AM

paddyisreal wrote: »

No laughing stock of the world, last country for outdoor dining in the world !

Yes, news reports and social media all over the world full of people laughing at Ireland. Cant open your eyes for people laughing at us.

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 12:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, news reports and social media all over the world full of people laughing at Ireland. Cant open your eyes for people laughing at us.

To be fair no country would laugh at the only country dealing with the explosive multiplier effect.

NIAC Fanboy · 04-06-2021 12:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

Obviously the reality doesn't concern antivaxers.

Are you concerned by the reality?

Ballynally · 04-06-2021 12:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe if we ignore the virus altogether we can pretend everything is awesome

I am signing off this thread and possibly this forum.
I am not cut out for it.
Too many people who see issues as a binary thing. Use any metaphor you like: on/off switch, blue/red pill, black/white team.
Maybe the real virus running through the world is a digital one, just 0 and 1.
Pick your team, kill the enemy, find their weak spot and attack.
No hesitancy at all. No qualms. Just let rip.
I have reached the ceiling of my tolerance and the interaction in this and other threads is mainly negative.
Byebye..

Boggles · 04-06-2021 12:23PM

Ballynally wrote: »

I am signing off this thread and possibly this forum.
I am not cut out for it.
Too many people who see issues as a binary thing. Use any metaphor you like: on/off switch, blue/red pill, black/white team.
Maybe the real virus running through the world is a digital one, just 0 and 1.
Pick your team, kill the enemy, find their weak spot and attack.
No hesitancy at all. No qualms. Just let rip.
I have reached the ceiling of my tolerance and the interaction in this and other threads is mainly negative.
Byebye..

Nope.

Have a good one.

the kelt · 04-06-2021 12:32PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

It smacks of a publicity stunt.

Is it the alpha or delta variant that's down in Limerick anyway?

Its the "alright boss" variant by all accounts!

Billgirlylegs · 04-06-2021 12:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, isnt it ridiculous, the Cheif Medical officer being involved in meetings related to a highly transmissible virus in the third largest urban area in the state. The cheek of him

What is he going to add to this meeting?
He said his piece - numbers are of concern to him.

The Minister is going down to meet with the locals to find out if they know what isgoing on and if there is any action that should be taken (additional litter bins and Portaloos ??) to make him look a little bit effective.

Nothing for CMO to do, is there?

04-06-2021 12:37PM

the kelt wrote: »

Its the "alright boss" variant by all accounts!

Heard the same thing. Doesnt there be a major influx of them returning to an certain town every summer

Parachutes · 04-06-2021 12:45PM

First it was protecting people from a pandemic. Now it’s protecting a pandemic from people.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings