Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles wrote: »

What do you mean by public buildings?

Building open to the public maybe?

Do you really need help with this one?

Boggles wrote: »

So any medical professional who displays shock at a potential public health hazard is displaying moral indignation?

Absolute fúcking nonsense. Both hamstrings snapped with that ludicrous stretch.

In this new upside world, he wasn't there to describe the scenes he described and even if he was he couldn't have seen them let alone describe them, all though the scenes he described were 100% backed up by video released on SM later.

People are tearing their ability to think rationally to shreds over an irrational hatred for a person they think is the big bogey man.

It's absolute carnage to witness.

I walk past South William Street almost every night. I can see a crowd at weekends but, I can't see what they're doing, I can't see if they're drinking, I can't see if they're hugging, kissing, shagging, vomiting etc.

I also know if a car goes down that road, it will grab people's attention. A car driven by Tony Holohan would certainly grab the attention of the people.

There is footage and has been many pictures posted of South William Street, of the crowds and antics that have been occurring, since last September/October.

Me casting doubt on whether or not he was there falls on two points.
1. You don't need to be there to see what goes on. He can easily type it into the search engine on Twitter. Anyone can!

2. If a car went down that road, it would have grabbed the attention of the crowd, considering how the crowd had gathered. Tony Holohan driving down a street of people that have gathered outside, because of his advice, that are pissed off and frustrated at the current situation and no one spots him? No one lobs a can at his car? (Not advocating that btw)

You say people's hatred of him is irrational and stopping them from thinking rationally...OK
I'm not going to get into that because it's not the thread for it...
However, what I will say is that your irrational devotion and defence of the guy and the rest of them is tearing your ability apart to think rationally.

You said before that no one has suffered harsh conditions throughout this and if they did, it was their own choice.
They (Gov and NPHET/Tony) have messed up, they have made mistakes and yet you won't even blink...That line above, you got rightly torn up over it and if that's your mentality and feelings then I'm better off not interacting with you and I'd appreciate it if you didn't interact with me again.

For the record, you don't know me and you claimed earlier that me and anyone who didn't like the €9 meal thing from last year, were just a grumpy old minority who sit and complain about it but, the majority accepted it and were happy with it and to go for pints and food....You then accuse other people of making predictions and assumptions and chew them out over it...

Disaster!

MOR316 wrote: »

I walk past South William Street almost every night. I can see a crowd at weekends but, I can't see what they're doing, I can't see if they're drinking, I can't see if they're hugging, kissing, shagging, vomiting etc.

I also know if a car goes down that road, it will grab people's attention. A car driven by Tony Holohan would certainly grab the attention of the people.

There is footage and has been many pictures posted of South William Street, of the crowds and antics that have been occurring, since last September/October.

Me casting doubt on whether or not he was there falls on two points.
1. You don't need to be there to see what goes on. He can easily type it into the search engine on Twitter. Anyone can!

2. If a car went down that road, it would have grabbed the attention of the crowd, considering how the crowd had gathered. Tony Holohan driving down a street of people that have gathered outside, because of his advice, that are pissed off and frustrated at the current situation and no one spots him? No one lobs a can at his car? (Not advocating that btw)

You say people's hatred of him is irrational and stopping them from thinking rationally...OK
I'm not going to get into that because it's not the thread for it...
However, what I will say is that your irrational devotion and defence of the guy and the rest of them is tearing your ability apart to think rationally.

You said before that no one has suffered harsh conditions throughout this and if they did, it was their own choice.
They (Gov and NPHET/Tony) have messed up, they have made mistakes and yet you won't even blink...That line above, you got rightly torn up over it and if that's your mentality and feelings then I'm better off not interacting with you and I'd appreciate it if you didn't interact with me again.

For the record, you don't know me and you claimed earlier that me and anyone who didn't like the €9 meal thing from last year, were just a grumpy old minority who sit and complain about it but, the majority accepted it and were happy with it and to go for pints and food....You then accuse other people of making predictions and assumptions and chew them out over it...

Disaster!

So you can tell if it is crowded.

So what's the problem exactly, you are backing up his story?

Which was then backed up by various amounts of video footage.

MOR316 wrote: »

For the record, you don't know me and you claimed earlier that me and anyone who didn't like the €9 meal thing from last year, were just a grumpy old minority who sit and complain about it but, the majority accepted it and were happy with it and to go for pints and food....You then accuse other people of making predictions and assumptions and chew them out over it...

I don't know why you are putting it on "the record", I never suggest I knew you.

But yet here you are June 2021 still giving out about a €9 meal.

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Building open to the public maybe?

Do you really need help with this one?

Public Buildings can range from a hospital to a state owned manor.

It's like you and nuance have never met.

Avon8 wrote: »

Grow up. It's absolutely clear that nobody was saying there wasn't crowds there, or even that he was wrong to suggest there was. He went on with this charade where he pretended that he could clearly see the scenes even though that's not actually possible in the scenario he described, driving slowly through a small junction. He then admonished a well respected journalist (who's been on his side from the beginning) with a childish "were you there"? Anyone who looked on social media immediately had a better framework for the situation than TH and his passing car nonsense.

Your last line aswell is again a sort of personalised dig at everyone who disagrees with you. There's been widespread condemnation of his comments in all sectors, not just here, and it doesn't make each and all of them idiots just because you're in the minority that doesn't agree

So he described scenes that were later backed up fully by footage on social media?

What exactly is confusing you?

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Tell us what exactly the problem is?

Under 100 in hospital,

Level of cases is not growing, nor has it for months

Schools open for ages with about 1 million mixing indoors for hours each day and on school buses, carpooling etc.?

Vaccination programme is flying it.

What exactly is the problem with people gathering outdoors in a low risk environment?

I couldn't give a flying fúck what people do.

We are onto the personal responsibility part of the pandemic.

If adults want to indulge in risky behavior that potentially gets them infected, gets a school or business closed down, or precludes people taking exams, etc. that's on them.

The CMO may care, I couldn't give 2 shiny shítés at this stage.

Boggles wrote: »

I couldn't give a flying fúck what people do.

We are onto the personal responsibility part of the pandemic.

If adults want to indulge in risky behavior that potentially gets them infected, gets a school or business closed down, or precludes people taking exams, etc. that's on them.

The CMO may care, I couldn't give 2 shiny shítés at this stage.

So would you advocate the lifting of all restrictions, and let the people be personally responsible for keeping themselves safe?

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

How is mixing outdoors risky all of a sudden given the advice is to go outdoors?

Again nuance. Outdoors doesn't encompass every dynamic.

Someone infected roaring into your face from 6 inches is a lot more risky than merely talking to you from a few feet away, indoors or outdoors.

The advice is to go out doors, and from what I have seen the past couple of months the vast vast vast majority are doing this whilst respecting each others space.

It's hardly a mental concept and I refuse to believe any functioning adult is actually confused by it.

Fils wrote: »

WHO is warning of a 4th wave.

We probably will have a 4th wave caused by this Delta/Indian variant... It will probably also be less deadly and have less of an impact on our day-to-day lives thanks to having vaccines so is 'warning' the right word to use?

Boggles wrote: »

Again nuance. Outdoors doesn't encompass every dynamic.

Someone infected roaring into your face from 6 inches is a lot more risky than merely talking to you from a few feet away, indoors or outdoors.

The advice is to go out doors, and from what I have seen the past couple of months the vast vast vast majority are doing this whilst respecting each others space.

It's hardly a mental concept and I refuse to believe any functioning adult is actually confused by it.

Are you saying people were going around roaring at people at distances of 6" last Saturday night?

And if this was the case is there a study to show its more dangerous that say, a hairdresser talking to a client in a busy salon or somebody talking to a checkout girl indoors.

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine so, having actually indulged in scenes similar to that many times.

Or is it your belief that something like that is impossible?



I don't roar into the faces of hairdressers or checkout girls from 6 inches. Do you?

But even if one would, the law is they now have to wear a mask.

So your imagination is telling you they were all going around roaring at each other from 6" away.

I never said anything about roaring at hairdressers, I said talking.

Do you think Tony would have noticed this roaring from 6" caper from his 2 second drive past?

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Why are you here all day if you don't care.

The pandemic is effectively over.

How is mixing outdoors risky all of a sudden given the advice is to go outdoors?

I remember somewhat similar being repeated before case numbers started to rise at the end of last year.

The difference? Despite case numbers remaining elevated - we have a very effective vaccination programme with hospital and ICU numbers having fallen dramatically.

Let's hope for all our sakes things stay that way. Personally I am confident it will.

But yes the advice is indeed go outdoors. Though funnily enough the advice is not for large crowds of people to congregate close together without social distancing etc and pretend that public health advice does not apply.

And let's leave off with the Tony made them all do it - just for the moment.

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-06-03/spain-details-new-system-of-coronavirus-restrictions-to-be-applied-until-70-of-population-is-vaccinated.html

So even in "new normality" thats 0-25 cases per ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, they will still have restrictions.

Even fully vaccinated populations will still have a few cases per 100k - quite more than a few I'd wager ...

These sociopaths never want this to end.

You have absolute no excuse this time, it is actually printed in the headline.

Spain details new system of coronavirus restrictions to be applied until 70% of population is vaccinated

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Suddenly a year and a half into this thing Boggles has started worrying about schools and businesses closing and people not being able to do exams? Sure those businesses were probably struggling anyway before Covid remember? Give us a break man.

Really?

I couldn't give a flying fúck what people do.

The CMO may care, I couldn't give 2 shiny shítés at this stage.

:rolleyes:

After giving out about outdoor gatherings in Dublin, his next tweet is about indoor gatherings in Limerick. Not sure if this will mean a tout line in Limerick or a local lockdown.

https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1400500818206507016