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To good to be true... what am I missing

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  • #2
    Ace2007
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    This statement isn't great and may affect who will buy and how they will source the monies
    PLEASE NOTE THAT SOME BOUNDARY / MAPPING DISCREPANCIES ARE SUCH THAT LENDNING INSTITUTIONS MAY NOT LEND ON THIS PROPERTY.


  • #3
    nullObjects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭nullObjects


    You could check the property price register to check what it sold for previously in case it's a typo in the first article


  • #4
    L1011
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    Its unmortgageable - "some" will be "all".

    The house looks like it could be across three folios on landdirect.


  • #5
    MacDanger
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    positivenote wrote: »
    HI All,
    we are in the hunt for a new family home (detached 3 or 4 bed) in or around castleknock area. We came across this house but it was way over our budget :

    https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/four-on-the-market-three-beds-in-dublin-15-39097773.html

    However, it has now come back on the market approx 1/3rd of the cost less than it previously was :
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/the-cottage-delwood-grove-castleknock-dublin-15/4505392

    Just wondering if anyone can advise on what may have caused such a dramatic reduction in the price... what am I missing as it seems too good to be true.

    Any advice welcome

    Have a look at the house on street view - it seems as though they have extended out the back onto land that they don't own......


  • #6
    PCros
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    Just looked it up on Google maps and the house is a totally different style to the rest of the estate - it sticks out like a sore thumb.

    I also wonder what the mapping descrepancies are?


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  • #7
    Finty Lemon
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    It's an awful ugly house anyway. Inside and out. Move on.


  • #8
    L1011
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    PCros wrote: »
    Just looked it up on Google maps and the house is a totally different style to the rest of the estate - it sticks out like a sore thumb.

    I also wonder what the mapping descrepancies are?

    Its a replacement, albeit for a 'single storey' house according to the planning so I suspect there was an older house the estate was built around.

    As I mentioned above, it looks like there's three folios on the site which is going to be costly to sort. If the vendor isn't in a position to do it, its down to the buyer and you will not get a loan for it.


  • #9
    PCros
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    MacDanger wrote: »
    Have a look at the house on street view - it seems as though they have extended out the back onto land that they don't own......

    Just noticed that, its come right out onto the path and cut across the grass verge that was there.

    There's one thing sneaking in a bit of land that cannot be seen but this is in plain view on a main road!


  • #10
    JimmyVik
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    Nice looking house.
    Ask the EA whats up.


  • #11
    theteal
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    MacDanger wrote: »
    Have a look at the house on street view - it seems as though they have extended out the back onto land that they don't own......

    Ha, the in-laws live on one of the Kirkpatrick's there and I always thought that wall looked out of place. It all makes sense now :pac::pac::pac:


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  • #12
    Leg End Reject
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    Read the last few pages in the 'Who'd Live in a House Like This?' thread in After Hours. That house featured there and there's a boundary issue that makes it's suitable for a cash buyer only.

    Still a hefty price for a house you might not be able to sell.
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #13
    PCros
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    L1011 wrote: »
    As I mentioned above, it looks like there's three folios on the site which is going to be costly to sort. If the vendor isn't in a position to do it, its down to the buyer and you will not get a loan for it.

    Question from the simple man here...

    What is the difference between 1, 2 or 3 folios for one address and why would you not get a loan for it?


  • #14
    awec
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    "Boundary discrepancy" makes it sound like someone has put a fence post in the wrong place.

    What is should say is "the entirety of what remains of the garden is actually on public land".


  • #15
    biddy21
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    Look on "Who would live in a house like this" thread for info re the boundaries


  • #16
    shesty
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    I'd hazard a guess that what happened there is it went up, someone went to buy, they got so far through the buying process and discovered a problem with the site boundaries, and let it go as it was too much hassle. I've seen it before on a site here near us.
    I'd suggest you contact the agent and ask what the story is. It could be a bank sale also - we have viewed bank sales and the estate agent was quite up front with us that the banks wants cash and will move on their timelines - ie, you need to sell your house first and be prepared to rent until the bank are ready to process the transaction.
    It appears the original house and land did extend to the boundary visible on Google maps (planning permission F08A/0580 - slow afternoon), but there is obviously some issue there - estate agent should explain it.


  • #17
    L1011
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    PCros wrote: »
    Question from the simple man here...

    What is the difference between 1, 2 or 3 folios for one address and why would you not get a loan for it?

    The seller may not actually own all of the land its built on is the main issue.

    Part of what landdirect is showing is leasehold and looks like it should be the garden of a different house; but boundaries are not always accurate.


  • #18
    POBox19
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    Take a look at the google satellite view and the boundary issue is easy to see.
    The whole thing is so out of place.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Cottage,+Delwood+Grove,+Blanchardstown,+Dublin+15/@53.3788018,-6.3922573,111m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x486772b3072b3157:0x1c90a5afe23dd792!2sThe+Cottage,+Delwood+Grove,+Blanchardstown,+Dublin+15!3b1!8m2!3d53.3787908!4d-6.3920352!3m4!1s0x486772b3072b3157:0x1c90a5afe23dd792!8m2!3d53.3787908!4d-6.3920352


  • #19
    Outkast_IRE
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    Its bizzare to say the least, how did they get planning permission for that when it looks so out of place to say the least.

    Also very odd the garden seems to of consumed a common area grass verge behind.


  • #20
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    I suddenly feel better about the state of my cobblelock drive.


  • #21
    PCros
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    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117322875&postcount=4600


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  • #22
    sweetie
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    There's a Luas stop in Coolmine?


  • #23
    theteal
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    sweetie wrote: »
    There's a Luas stop in Coolmine?

    Train station is about 40 yards from there. I'm guessing they got their mass transits confused


  • #24
    positivenote
    Registered Users Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭positivenote


    thanks all. Basicaly, walk away and avoid the hassle.... However, if this is going to be our forever house what are the potential consequences? Or are we just unlikely to ever get a mortgage for the purchase?


  • #25
    spurious
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    How did nobody connected with the council not notice that on the public road?


  • #26
    awec
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    positivenote wrote: »
    thanks all. Basicaly, walk away and avoid the hassle.... However, if this is going to be our forever house what are the potential consequences? Or are we just unlikely to ever get a mortgage for the purchase?

    You will never get a mortgage until the boundary issues are resolved.


  • #27
    ec18
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    positivenote wrote: »
    thanks all. Basicaly, walk away and avoid the hassle.... However, if this is going to be our forever house what are the potential consequences? Or are we just unlikely to ever get a mortgage for the purchase?

    you won't get a mortgage and face costly legal bill to get the boundary sorted (including potentially having to 'give back' the walled area)


  • #28
    PCros
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    awec wrote: »
    You will never get a mortgage until the boundary issues are resolved.

    Do you think its a case of demolishing the shed and pulling the wall in from the road in line with the other houses?


  • #29
    C14N
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    Theoretically, could you just buy it and give/sell the bit that's obviously on public land back to the council to resolve the boundary problem?

    In any case, that house is almost the definition of a McMansion. Looks very gawdy and oversized imo.


  • #30
    ec18
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    PCros wrote: »
    Do you think its a case of demolishing the shed and pulling the wall in from the road in line with the other houses?

    on a solicitor will be able to provide you that level of detail...


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  • #31
    awec
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    And in terms of sorting the boundary issue, you must account for the fact that if it was straightforward the current owner would have already done it and not had to knock a huge chunk off their asking price.

    I think this property will struggle to sell as it doesn't really appeal to any segment of buyer. Mortgaged buyers can't touch it. Someone with the cash to buy it and sort the boundary problem is likely to have much better alternatives elsewhere without the headache.


  • #32
    RonanG86
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    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3786944,-6.3923216,3a,75y,54.6h,81.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdxuypJq5vnLhCyPZ8jH8sg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Thisisfine.jpg


  • #33
    Deeec
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    Outkast_IRE wrote: »
    Its bizzare to say the least, how did they get planning permission for that when it looks so out of place to say the least.

    Also very odd the garden seems to of consumed a common area grass verge behind.

    It looks very odd in relation to the other houses. Planning Permission could possibly be another issue with this house.


  • #34
    L1011
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    I don't think that's actually the issue, oddly enough.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
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    Reducing the garden would make the remaining garden very small, could that be a breach.
    Also the ad says three beds, is that all or are there more in the attic that don't count?

    The boundary is the sinker though.


  • #36
    theteal
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Reducing the garden would make the remaining garden very small, could that be a breach.
    Also the ad says three beds, is that all or are there more in the attic that don't count?

    The boundary is the sinker though.

    I've a vague memory that attic conversions have to meet a load of safety regs to be regarded as bedrooms hence most of them will be referred to as attic/loft rooms in property ads.


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  • #37
    C14N
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    theteal wrote: »
    I've a vague memory that attic conversions have to meet a load of safety regs to be regarded as bedrooms hence most of them will be referred to as attic/loft rooms in property ads.

    Yeah, I viewed a house recently where the agent did say this. The house did have a fourth bedroom in the attic but could only be advertised as 3-bed. There's some kind of requirement that a certain amount of floorspace has to have a certain amount of headroom clearance, and most attic conversions don't meet that requirement as it significantly increases the costs of having one installed.


  • #38
    Outkast_IRE
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    RonanG86 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3786944,-6.3923216,3a,75y,54.6h,81.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdxuypJq5vnLhCyPZ8jH8sg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Thisisfine.jpg

    Why would you install a different type of sloped roof on the latest extension , it makes it look even more out of place. That house is bizarre decision after bizarre decision.


  • #39
    shesty
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    The planning is there though, and granted.Looks like there was an old cottage there, and the estate built up around it, hence the oddness of the site.The rear wall appears to be in a genuine location according to planning documents.

    Clearly though there is an issue maybe with the side boundary walls.I would still ring the estate agent and ask OP, see if it is an issue that could be resolved.No point in trying to guess.


  • #40
    What Username Guidelines
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    RonanG86 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3786944,-6.3923216,3a,75y,54.6h,81.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdxuypJq5vnLhCyPZ8jH8sg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Thisisfine.jpg

    It was all within planning it seems

    https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/53523


  • #41
    shesty
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    C14N wrote: »
    Yeah, I viewed a house recently where the agent did say this. The house did have a fourth bedroom in the attic but could only be advertised as 3-bed. There's some kind of requirement that a certain amount of floorspace has to have a certain amount of headroom clearance, and most attic conversions don't meet that requirement as it significantly increases the costs of having one installed.

    They have to have a 2.2m headroom over a certain square footage of space, among other things.
    Most attic conversions just won't achieve that.


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  • #42
    C14N
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    shesty wrote: »
    They have to have a 2.2m headroom over a certain square footage of space, among other things.
    Most attic conversions just won't achieve that.

    Well not without raising the roof or having expensive dormers put in, but from what I gather, either of these options will tend to more than double the price of the coversion. So most will just convert it to a "loft" and give a bit of a wink and a nudge about what it can be used for when selling.


  • #43
    Jerry Attrick
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It was all within planning it seems

    https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/53523

    Including the rear garden being allowed to extend further than the rest of the houses on that road. :eek: :confused:


  • #44
    L1011
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    Jerry Attrick wrote: »
    Including the rear garden being allowed to extend further than the rest of the houses on that road. :eek: :confused:

    It would appear the rest of the road was built after the original house on this site was.

    That protrusion does not appear to have any issues with its planning or land registration


  • #45
    [Deleted User]
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    Caveat Emptor

    Just because something has planning permission, does not mean that it is legally sound and permitted. PP only concerns itself with planning matters, and issues surrounding legality are outside of the remit of the CO Co or ABP or both.

    For example, I can apply for permission to knock down your house and build a new one with an extension and a pool and.....so on. That doesn't mean I can actually knock your gaff down and move in, though.

    There may well be no issues with this property, but I'd pay more heed to the line on the ad regarding boundary issues than I would to the grant of PP.

    One more salient point that may be overlooked.......any grant of permission will always say
    "the proposed development must be carried out in accordance with the plans lodged with the council on X date and as amended by request for further information on Y date"
    Has anyone checked that the plans match up with the reality?

    (disclaimer - I haven't clicked on any links yet, so that last paragraph may be moot)


  • #46
    FromADistance
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    positivenote wrote: »
    HI All,
    we are in the hunt for a new family home (detached 3 or 4 bed) in or around castleknock area. We came across this house but it was way over our budget :

    https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/homes/four-on-the-market-three-beds-in-dublin-15-39097773.html

    However, it has now come back on the market approx 1/3rd of the cost less than it previously was :
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/the-cottage-delwood-grove-castleknock-dublin-15/4505392

    Just wondering if anyone can advise on what may have caused such a dramatic reduction in the price... what am I missing as it seems too good to be true.

    Any advice welcome

    Before I noticed the boundary issues, I was going to say the address... saying that this house is in Castleknock would be like saying Dunboyne is in Dublin.


  • #47
    ted1
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    C14N wrote: »
    Yeah, I viewed a house recently where the agent did say this. The house did have a fourth bedroom in the attic but could only be advertised as 3-bed. There's some kind of requirement that a certain amount of floorspace has to have a certain amount of headroom clearance, and most attic conversions don't meet that requirement as it significantly increases the costs of having one installed.

    50% of the room has to be over 8 foot. To be a bedroom.

    What the estate estates neglect to say is that all internal are internal doors need to upgraded to fire doors and the ceilings replastered with fire proof board


  • #48
    theteal
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    FromADistance wrote: »
    Before I noticed the boundary issues, I was going to say the address... saying that this house is in Castleknock would be like saying Dunboyne is in Dublin.

    Castleknock Downs etc are a couple of sliotar pucks away, I've seen much worse examples of location theft in fairness


  • #49
    positivenote
    Registered Users Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭positivenote


    theteal wrote: »
    Castleknock Downs etc are a couple of sliotar pucks away, I've seen much worse examples of location theft in fairness

    Delwood has been castleknock for decades


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    awec wrote: »
    "Boundary discrepancy" makes it sound like someone has put a fence post in the wrong place.

    What is should say is "the entirety of what remains of the garden is actually on public land".

    There's a better example in tallagh

    https://goo.gl/maps/4nC2eToyoKubk3WD7


  • #51
    JimmyVik
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    BrownFinger wrote: »
    There's a better example in tallagh

    https://goo.gl/maps/4nC2eToyoKubk3WD7


    That is just nuts.
    How does someone get away with that.


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