Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 02-06-2021 01:44PM

jakiah wrote: »

So I guess if DCC et. al put in proper facilities for crowds then that would be considered an organised event?

Or it simply would be street furniture and public facilities to stop littering and sh!ting on the streets?

Allinall · 02-06-2021 01:45PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

I will copy and paste for you from the HSE. 6 in your garden. No mention of 6 down the park.

Meeting people outdoors
Outdoor organised events can take place with up to 15 people.

In your garden you can meet with:

up to 2 other households, or
6 people from multiple households
This limit of 6 people does not include children aged 12 or younger.

Wear a face covering if you meet people in busy outdoor spaces.

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NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:47PM

Allinall wrote: »

.

Tell me how many people can meet outdoors in the park, like a group of friends.

Its not in the HSE guidance so how are people supposed to know.

speckle · 02-06-2021 01:47PM

Allinall wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/

Organised outdoor gatherings
These are controlled environments with a named event organiser, owner or manager. For example: outdoor arts events, training events.

Time these nonscientific and nonscensical never properly used levels were done away with... why are the likes of kerry etc at level 5 when it was never warranted at all during the last year even with tens upon thousands of visitors last summer?

Btw if they do keep the above I see an opportunity for a lot of people unemployed in the event industry...I am actually qualified and will be using it later in the year for planning a significant event and then farm the actual night out to someone else so I can relax and enjoy

Allinall · 02-06-2021 01:52PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Tell me how many people can meet outdoors in the park, like a group of friends.

Its not in the HSE guidance so how are people supposed to know.

It took me all of 10 seconds.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html#l8d607

Meeting with people outdoors
Up to 3 households, or 6 people (not including children aged 12 and under) from any number of households, can meet outdoors. This includes gardens.

Organised outdoor gatherings can take place with a maximum attendance of 15.

As I said earlier. faux confusion.

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 01:58PM

Allinall wrote: »

It took me all of 10 seconds.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html#l8d607

Meeting with people outdoors
Up to 3 households, or 6 people (not including children aged 12 and under) from any number of households, can meet outdoors. This includes gardens.

Organised outdoor gatherings can take place with a maximum attendance of 15.

As I said earlier. faux confusion.

Surely the HSE could have issued the same guidance rather than imply it applies to gardens in particular.

jakiah · 02-06-2021 01:58PM

Allinall wrote: »

It took me all of 10 seconds.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html#l8d607

Meeting with people outdoors
Up to 3 households, or 6 people (not including children aged 12 and under) from any number of households, can meet outdoors. This includes gardens.

Organised outdoor gatherings can take place with a maximum attendance of 15.

As I said earlier. faux confusion.

Thanks for clearing that up. These guidlines dont seem to be reflected in whats actually happening.

Boggles · 02-06-2021 01:58PM

speckle wrote: »

why are the likes of kerry etc at level 5 when it was never warranted at all during the last year

So when Kerry had a 14 day incidence rate of above 1100, what level should they have been at and why?

gozunda · 02-06-2021 01:59PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Tell me how many people can meet outdoors in the park, like a group of friends.

Its not in the HSE guidance so how are people supposed to know.

Seriously does that level of hand holding really need to be applied to using basic faculties to verify bespoke situations / location or whatever?

The example above given was for gardens / domestic outdoor spaces. To avoid further head scratching I've now made that overtly clear.

For you're particular situation - here you go ...

Meeting with people outdoors

Up to 3 households, or 6 people (not including children aged 12 and under) from any number of households, can meet outdoors. This includes gardens.

Organised outdoor gatherings can take place with a maximum attendance of 15.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

If someone genuinely doesn't know about a specific situation then its easy to look up. Its simply common sense ffs

Edit. Thanks Allinall - you bet me to it

Fils · 02-06-2021 02:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

So when Kerry had a 14 day incidence rate of above 1100, what level should they have been at and why?

Was there a level 5+1 introduced by nphet and the government?

VinLieger · 02-06-2021 02:12PM

Are people still trying to claim that what happened on the weekend somehow broke the regulations?

Sofa King Great · 02-06-2021 02:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

Seriously does that level of hand holding really need to be applied to using basic faculties to verify bespoke situations / location or whatever?

The example above given was for gardens / domestic outdoor spaces. To avoid further head scratching I've now made that overtly clear.

For you're particular situation - here you go ...

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

If someone genuinely doesn't know about a specific situation then its easy to look up. Its simply common sense ffs

Edit. Thanks Allinall - you bet me to it

There was a time when you could meet people outdoors but couldn't meet in your garden so I can see why there would be confusion

NIAC Fanboy · 02-06-2021 02:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

Seriously does that level of hand holding really need to be applied to using basic faculties to verify bespoke situations / location or whatever?

The example above given was for gardens / domestic outdoor spaces. To avoid further head scratching I've now made that overtly clear.

For you're particular situation - here you go ...

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html

If someone genuinely doesn't know about a specific situation then its easy to look up. Its simply common sense ffs

Edit. Thanks Allinall - you bet me to it

Yes I did look it up, on the official HSE website. It referenced 6 in gardens and 15 at an organised event outdoors, which I would take to include a birthday party, after work group drinks etc.

It should not be necessary to trawl multiple government websites to get different interpretations of guidelines, or are they laws, are there punishments for not obeying them, or are you just asked to observe them?

Fils · 02-06-2021 02:23PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Are people still trying to claim that what happened on the weekend somehow broke the regulations?

The outdoor police think so.

Boggles · 02-06-2021 02:26PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In my first post I was referring to what I would consider to be a big crowd. In the second post, I was talking about what is officially considered to be too big of a crowd. The former is obviously different for everyone. The latter is confusing since officially we're only supposed to meet with 6 people from up to 3 households outdoors, but more if there are children, and yet up to 50 people can gather in a church even though that's indoors which is supposed to be less safe. You appeal to common sense, yet to me common sense would indicate that if 50 people can gather indoors in a church, a much bigger number can gather outdoors without any issues.

Well, I'll put it to you this way - save us going down the 50 people in the church masked, spaced out and in all likelyhood the majority vaccinated rabbit hole.

You said you would be nervous about being in a crowd.

If for some reason you found yourself in the middle of that crowd last weekend, would you be nervous?

02-06-2021 02:43PM

It will be great to see loads of people out and about again this weekend enjoying picnics and takeaway pints etc. Poor auld Tony and a few members on here will have a meltdown

MOR316 · 02-06-2021 02:45PM

Had an absolute glorious day in Bray and Dun Laoghaire yesterday.

Great buzz, great weather, people enjoying themselves. Wonderful to see.

Boggles · 02-06-2021 02:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It will be great to see loads of people out and about again this weekend enjoying picnics and takeaway pints etc. Poor auld Tony and a few members on here will have a meltdown

Why?

I indulged in exactly that last weekend twice.

Great to see, everyone enjoying themselves and the vast vast majority respecting everyone else's space.

You'd want to be some space cadet to have a meltdown over that.

Ballynally · 02-06-2021 02:49PM

rusty cole wrote: »

100% like, wear your mask Xmas shopping if the street is busy.. what constitutes a busy street? who knows? number? footfall? population density per squared metre??? another joke. Heuristic in the extreme, no real science behind any advice.

Well, you can take it as it is, namely ADVICE. You are free to ignore it.
They are mostly guidelines, best practice sort of things. Common sense if you will.
If they dont make sense to you dont follow them.
I dont when i feel the rules are nonsense like the 5km rule for the WHOLE country at some stage. It is OK to break the rules. Do your friends frown? That's ok too. Let them.But break the rules a little not a lot. That makes sense to me.
Usually there is at least some reasoning behind it. I would not call it scientific. If you dont want to comply, dont. Each of us has broken the rules at some point.
The police is not going to break up every gathering nor that they'd want to.This whole outdoor thing is by the by.
The main thing, still, is indoors and ventilation.
People have too great an expectation of and trust in authorities and get all worked up about statements and such.
I am old enough to see through the mechanisms at work.
Like the speech adviser said:' just imagine them without their pants on'.
So, relax and dont take it too seriously..

MOR316 · 02-06-2021 02:53PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why?

I indulged in exactly that last weekend twice.

Great to see, everyone enjoying themselves and the vast vast majority respecting everyone else's space.

You'd want to be some space cadet to have a meltdown over that.

Tony "Space Cadet" Holohan.

I like it...

gozunda · 02-06-2021 02:58PM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

There was a time when you could meet people outdoors but couldn't meet in your garden so I can see why there would be confusion

Fair enough but tbf a quick Google would fix that. The bizarre thing is that there are some who claim to be experts on public health guidelines / restrictions atm and yet seem completely ignorant of any of them at the same time. ..

Boggles · 02-06-2021 02:59PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Tony "Space Cadet" Holohan.

I like it...

He didn't take issue with what I described though, did he?

Avon8 · 02-06-2021 03:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

He didn't take issue with what I described though, did he?

He did though.

"Great to see, everyone enjoying themselves and the vast vast majority respecting everyone else's space."

You're completely correct, he's a space cadet. Good one

paddyisreal · 02-06-2021 03:06PM

you think the public guidelines are poor just have a look at the bord failte guidlelines for restaurants, hilarious .
like this beauty.. it reads like a county council criteria for having an extension. a weather safety plan ?? who writes this bull

When creating an outdoor area, it must not be wholly enclosed or substantially enclosed which in practice means it must not have
sides (including windows, doors, gates or other fittings that can be opened or shut) that enclose more than 50% of the perimeter of
that area. For example, a marquee or gazebo with a roof and four sides would not be an outdoor space and would be required to
have at least 50% of its wall area open to the external air, calculating this 50% wall area figure also applies to trellis, windbreakers,
netting or other types of partition. Consideration should also be given to the location, a tent with only a roof would in itself be
considered an outdoor area, but if placed in for example a courtyard area with four surrounding walls within close proximity, the
area may no longer be considered outdoors. When considering the use of tents, marquees, gazebos or other similar structures,
operators should review and update risk assessments, safety statement and a weather safety plan drafted with final plans in
compliance with all local bye laws or restrictions

BigMo1 · 02-06-2021 03:08PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

you think the public guidelines are poor just have a look at the bord failte guidlelines for restaurants, hilarious .
like this beauty.. it reads like a county council criteria for having an extension.

When creating an outdoor area, it must not be wholly enclosed or substantially enclosed which in practice means it must not have
sides (including windows, doors, gates or other fittings that can be opened or shut) that enclose more than 50% of the perimeter of
that area. For example, a marquee or gazebo with a roof and four sides would not be an outdoor space and would be required to
have at least 50% of its wall area open to the external air, calculating this 50% wall area figure also applies to trellis, windbreakers,
netting or other types of partition. Consideration should also be given to the location, a tent with only a roof would in itself be
considered an outdoor area, but if placed in for example a courtyard area with four surrounding walls within close proximity, the
area may no longer be considered outdoors. When considering the use of tents, marquees, gazebos or other similar structures,
operators should review and update risk assessments, safety statement and a weather safety plan drafted with final plans in
compliance with all local bye laws or restrictions

This sounds like one of my college essays when I'm struggling on the word count.

Boggles · 02-06-2021 03:10PM

Avon8 wrote: »

He did though.

Nope. He didn't, his comments were on a very specific geographical location and situation, which were 100% backed up by video footage.

Again, none of that is my opinion.

PTH2009 · 02-06-2021 03:14PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

you think the public guidelines are poor just have a look at the bord failte guidlelines for restaurants, hilarious .
like this beauty.. it reads like a county council criteria for having an extension. a weather safety plan ?? who writes this bull

When creating an outdoor area, it must not be wholly enclosed or substantially enclosed which in practice means it must not have
sides (including windows, doors, gates or other fittings that can be opened or shut) that enclose more than 50% of the perimeter of
that area. For example, a marquee or gazebo with a roof and four sides would not be an outdoor space and would be required to
have at least 50% of its wall area open to the external air, calculating this 50% wall area figure also applies to trellis, windbreakers,
netting or other types of partition. Consideration should also be given to the location, a tent with only a roof would in itself be
considered an outdoor area, but if placed in for example a courtyard area with four surrounding walls within close proximity, the
area may no longer be considered outdoors. When considering the use of tents, marquees, gazebos or other similar structures,
operators should review and update risk assessments, safety statement and a weather safety plan drafted with final plans in
compliance with all local bye laws or restrictions

What a country we live in. Idiotic rules one after the other

Christ what's going to happen if there is another big spike in numbers/hospislations etc

Everyone been in big bubbles is not beyond the releams of possibilities

Allinall · 02-06-2021 03:15PM

NIAC Fanboy wrote: »

Yes I did look it up, on the official HSE website. It referenced 6 in gardens and 15 at an organised event outdoors, which I would take to include a birthday party, after work group drinks etc.

It should not be necessary to trawl multiple government websites to get different interpretations of guidelines, or are they laws, are there punishments for not obeying them, or are you just asked to observe them?

People complain when they think guidelines are not clear enough.

paddyisreal wrote: »

you think the public guidelines are poor just have a look at the bord failte guidlelines for restaurants, hilarious .
like this beauty.. it reads like a county council criteria for having an extension. a weather safety plan ?? who writes this bull

When creating an outdoor area, it must not be wholly enclosed or substantially enclosed which in practice means it must not have
sides (including windows, doors, gates or other fittings that can be opened or shut) that enclose more than 50% of the perimeter of
that area. For example, a marquee or gazebo with a roof and four sides would not be an outdoor space and would be required to
have at least 50% of its wall area open to the external air, calculating this 50% wall area figure also applies to trellis, windbreakers,
netting or other types of partition. Consideration should also be given to the location, a tent with only a roof would in itself be
considered an outdoor area, but if placed in for example a courtyard area with four surrounding walls within close proximity, the
area may no longer be considered outdoors. When considering the use of tents, marquees, gazebos or other similar structures,
operators should review and update risk assessments, safety statement and a weather safety plan drafted with final plans in
compliance with all local bye laws or restrictions

People complain when guidelines are outlined clearly and concisely.

Timmy O Toole · 02-06-2021 03:16PM

Hi Guys. Due to stay in hotel with kids on Friday. Is indoor dining available in hotels or what ?

hynesie08 · 02-06-2021 03:17PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

a weather safety plan

PTH2009 wrote: »

What a country we live in. Idiotic rules one after the other

Christ what's going to happen if there is another big spike in numbers/hospislations etc

Everyone been in big bubbles is not beyond the releams of possibilities

So pubs should just be allowed put up any structure they like without any sort of safety plan????

The doom and gloomers are really running out of ammo.

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