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Covid-19 likely to be man made

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  • #1112
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    People are not "begging for links"


    They are asking you to show evidence for your claims, something you refuse to do time and time again.

    Without proof of your claims how can you expect anyone to take you seriously?


    Don't take me seriously then, I'm fine with it ;-)


    Just stop spamming all threads with the same begs because a lot of people do actually read other stuff outside of the boards and when they come here they are already informed.


  • #1113
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Don't take me seriously then, I'm fine with it ;-)


    Just stop spamming all threads with the same begs because a lot of people do actually read other stuff outside of the boards and when they come here they are already informed.

    Stop spamming the thread with claims that you cannot/will not substantiate.


  • #1114
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    I put him on ignore. He first said he think that this is what I wanted to say, then few posts down he claimed I actually said that even though that particular thing came form his own head. That person is constantly twisting what anyone say in order to make you look bad. He is not in for debate as he never acknowledge he was not right or that he was caught in his own lie.
    One of those types nobody wants to even sit close in a pub. You know those who are always right no matter how wrong they are. :)


    How do you put people on ignore? would love to do that too


  • #1115
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    I'm just tired of the usual people begging for links.

    You are making claims, you are simply being requested to back up those claims, it's a public forum

    It's also important to use quality sources, here's an example, these are fact-checks on whether Covid was "man-made" or "engineered":

    This Lancet report by 27 scientists
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

    Scripps research
    https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200317-andersen-covid-19-coronavirus.html

    AP fact-check
    https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9391149002

    Reuters fact-check
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-hiv-covid-explained-idUSKBN29C26E

    National Geographic on the Yan report
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-origins-misinformation-yan-report-fact-check-cvd

    On the flipside, there are a huge number of crank and conspiracy sites pushing out a constant barrage of disinformation, no matter how appealing or exciting some of their theories may sound to you, they are not credible sources.


  • #1116
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    How do you put people on ignore? would love to do that too


    found it ;-)


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  • #1117
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,057 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You are making claims, you are simply being requested to back up those claims, it's a public forum

    It's also important to use quality sources, here's an example, these are fact-checks on whether Covid was "man-made" or "engineered":

    This Lancet report by 27 scientists
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext

    Scripps research
    https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200317-andersen-covid-19-coronavirus.html

    AP fact-check
    https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9391149002

    Reuters fact-check
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-hiv-covid-explained-idUSKBN29C26E

    National Geographic on the Yan report
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-origins-misinformation-yan-report-fact-check-cvd

    On the flipside, there are a huge number of crank and conspiracy sites pushing out a constant barrage of disinformation, no matter how appealing or exciting some of their theories may sound to you, they are not credible sources.

    Ah now in fairness to Mic1972, they would actually have to engage in citing a source or 2 before an opinion can be formed on the source's credibility ;)

    That said, given their refusal to even cite a source at all other than "look it up" their own credibility is at zero.
    Anything that can be asserted without evidence, can be refuted without it.


  • #1118
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    banie01 wrote: »
    Ah now in fairness to Mic1972, they would actually have to engage in citing a source or 2 before an opinion can be formed on the source's credibility ;)

    That said, given their refusal to even cite a source at all other than "look it up" their own credibility is at zero.
    Anything that can be asserted without evidence, can be refuted without it.

    Forget it lads, he's pretended to put us all on ignore :pac:


  • #1119
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,502 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    i stand by my original post, your summary looks inaccurate

    So just to be clear, your theory (theory 3) is that the virus was man made and was leaked either accidentally or deliberately?

    The investigation into the origin has not taken that as a credible theory with all evidence pointing to a zoonotic origin.

    I do not believe there is a single shred of actual evidence that SARS-COV2 was man-made and anyone saying such is expressing their opinion only.


  • #1120
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    astrofool wrote: »
    So just to be clear, your theory (theory 3) is that the virus was man made and was leaked either accidentally or deliberately?

    The investigation into the origin has not taken that as a credible theory with all evidence pointing to a zoonotic origin.

    I do not believe there is a single shred of actual evidence that SARS-COV2 was man-made and anyone saying such is expressing their opinion only.


    The lab accident theory doesn't address the origin of the actual virus, it only talks about a potential accidental leak.
    how the virus was in the lab in the first place is not being addressed


  • #1121
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The lab accident theory doesn't address the origin of the actual virus, it only talks about a potential accidental leak.
    how the virus was in the lab in the first place is not being addressed

    A natural virus being studied.

    You do realise that's the lab-leak theory correct?

    Again, I get the suspicion that some people think that any virus in a lab is automatically "man-made", ergo Covid was "man-made"


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  • #1122
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,439 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    The lab accident theory doesn't address the origin of the actual virus, it only talks about a potential accidental leak.
    how the virus was in the lab in the first place is not being addressed

    LOL

    ever think what the 2 in SARS COV2 stands for???

    When you actually find out, think about what you just posted

    :D


  • #1123
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Actually, a number of biologists and virologist are saying exactly that. Only, this hasn't been confirmed by an official investigation

    Yet they wouldn't say that Spanish flu was man-made or from a lab. Bubonic Plague wasn't man-made. So until someone comes up with a definite path to demonstrate that it was man-made, it is firmly rooted in the land of conspiracy.


  • #1124
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    How do you put people on ignore? would love to do that too

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  • #1125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    A natural virus being studied.

    You do realise that's the lab-leak theory correct?

    Again, I get the suspicion that some people think that any virus in a lab is automatically "man-made", ergo Covid was "man-made"
    A few pages ago we were being whinged at because were were conflating these ideas.

    We were being told that no one believed the virus was arteficially created and that people were only suggesting that it was a natural virus that leaked.

    Again, no one who believes the lab leak theory seems to want to actually nail down and state their belief for some reason.


  • #1126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Forget it lads, he's pretended to put us all on ignore :pac:

    Drat. That means now he's not going to address any of the points put to him, answer any questions or provide any sources when asked.


  • #1127
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    King Mob wrote: »
    Drat. That means now he's not going to address any of the points put to him, answer any questions or provide any sources when asked.

    Just goes to show that conspiracy theorists/theories can only survive in a self made echo chamber.


  • #1128
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Just goes to show that conspiracy theorists/theories can only survive in a self made echo chamber.

    I believe in several conspiracies I have no issues with them being challenged by anyone.

    The problem arises when people haven't reasoned themselves into a position


  • #1129
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Yet they wouldn't say that Spanish flu was man-made or from a lab. Bubonic Plague wasn't man-made. So until someone comes up with a definite path to demonstrate that it was man-made, it is firmly rooted in the land of conspiracy.


    None of the above virus could have been man made because technology to manipulate DNA didn't exist back then.
    It does now tho, biologists and virologist have the ability to dissect the virus DNA and to link it to its origin. It has been suggested that the DNA for the virus does look like it may have been created in a lab. The first person I remember making such claim was Bret Weinstain more than a year ago.
    Now more scientists seem open to the suggestion


  • #1130
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    None of the above virus could have been man made because technology to manipulate DNA didn't exist back then.
    It does now tho, biologists and virologist have the ability to dissect the virus DNA and to link it to its origin. It has been suggested that the DNA for the virus does look like it may have been created in a lab. The first person I remember making such claim was Bret Weinstain more than a year ago.
    Now more scientists seem open to the suggestion
    Ok. So the claim now is that the virus was created whole cloth in a lab.

    Since this is your claim, and you've admitted that you cannot provide any actual studies to this effect, how do you explain all of the studies that have been posted that support the viruses animal origin?
    Are those studies all wrong? That can't be possible as you can't then be just disregarding all the experts behind those studies.

    Are they all faked as part of the conspiracy you guys have been telling us you aren't suggesting?


  • #1131
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    How do you put people on ignore? would love to do that too

    Quite an easy task and you will be saved to go through mundane posts which are usually cleverly worded insults and lies.
    Stuff like "Links?" and demands for peer reviewed and pope sanctioned research papers. As if they had any supporting opposite view anyway.
    Like, we have yet to see any peer reviewed research documenting how latest virus plaguing mankind jumped species and managed to mutate so much that it does not even look like other corona viruses but hey, lab leak is conspiracy theory because "show me da papers" :D

    Click on a name of anyone whose posts annoys you the most then on his* home page under his* name there will be send message and user list menu.
    Click on user list menu and click Add to ignore list.
    Every time said user post anything you will see soothing and friendly message:
    This message is hidden because (insert any boards conspiracy and pandemic self taught expert and factchecker name) is on your ignore list. :cool:

    * his, her, they, them, it, whatchamacallit, whatever.... (just so someone does not get offended I assumed any gender here or there)


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  • #1132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    cleverly worded insults and lies.

    ...
    As if they had any supporting opposite view anyway.
    Like, we have yet to see any peer reviewed research documenting how latest virus plaguing mankind jumped species and managed to mutate so much that it does not even look like other corona viruses
    Sorry, but this is a lie.
    You've been shown many studies that show that. You are now completely lying and claiming they don't exist.

    If that post isn't illustrative...


  • #1133
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Quite an easy task and you will be saved to go through mundane posts which are usually cleverly worded insults and lies.
    Stuff like "Links?" and demands for peer reviewed and pope sanctioned research papers. As if they had any supporting opposite view anyway.
    Like, we have yet to see any peer reviewed research documenting how latest virus plaguing mankind jumped species and managed to mutate so much that it does not even look like other corona viruses but hey, lab leak is conspiracy theory because "show me da papers" :D

    Click on a name of anyone whose posts annoys you the most then on his home page under his name there will be send message and user list menu.
    Click on user list menu and click Add to ignore list.
    Every time said user post anything you will see soothing and friendly message:
    This message is hidden because (insert any boards conspiracy and pandemic self taught expert and factchecker name) is on your ignore list. :cool:


    Thanks, i added them to ignore. It makes it so much easier to read through the pages without the spamming ;-)


  • #1134
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Thanks, i added them to ignore. It makes it so much easier to read through the pages without the spamming ;-)
    I love how you guys have to announce that you're ignoring things.

    But now, you're free to post away and not see all the points brought up about your claims and position.
    Other people will though.
    They will see that you can't address anything and that you're just sticking your fingers in your ears.


  • #1135
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,057 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Thanks, i added them to ignore. It makes it so much easier to read through the pages without the spamming ;-)

    So rather than engage in providing a foundation for your opinion you will ignore criticism, and carry on with your fingers in your ears screaming la,la,la...

    I do hope that any interested parties reading any threads you have contributed to see that for exactly what it is.
    Intellectual dishonesty and deliberate ignorance.


  • #1136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also notice that no one has actually answered my previous question:

    What happens if the investigation doesn't support or denies the lab leak theory?

    I don't think any conspiracy theorists want to address this because it will lay their position bare.
    They don't want to say that they will accept that conclusion.
    But they also can't say that they now don't trust the investigation.


  • #1137
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Thanks, i added them to ignore. It makes it so much easier to read through the pages without the spamming ;-)

    Translation: "It's so much easier to turn a public forum into a safe space where I can ignore anyone who doesn't validate my beliefs"


  • #1138
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    These three threads are getting very similar they could possibly be combined

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058077061
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058113728
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058103871


  • #1139
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Translation: "It's so much easier to turn a public forum into a safe space where I can ignore anyone who doesn't validate my beliefs"

    The best is, we all know they haven't put anyone in ignore, how many times have we seen this and a day/week later they reply to.you on a thread and then claim they "unblocked you" just to reply to a certain post, absolutely pathetic childish behaviour from them :pac:


  • #1140
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Thanks, i added them to ignore. It makes it so much easier to read through the pages without the spamming ;-)

    Only one on my list so far. Caught him in a lie where he tried to twist what I said and turn it to something entirely different. Cant debate with person like that.
    The rest of them are just copy/paste cheering and praising each other but otherwise harmless self-taught experts.
    I mean they will call you names occasionally and will be insulting you but what else can you expect from people who think they know it all.
    Like in this instance - they are so sure no lab can create anything even remotely similar and there is zero chance it can escape - it make no sense to even try.
    And funniest of it is that it is simply not possible out of a orange-man-bad principle, because he who shall not be named mentioned it before. And it was a ramble and lies then so it shall be that way forever.


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  • #1141
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,057 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Only
    Like in this instance - they are so sure no lab can create anything even remotely similar and there is zero chance it can escape - it make no sense to even try..

    Where has anyone said that?
    If it has been said, I've missed it.

    Why present zero foundation for claims?
    Do you think that any claim presented without support other than personal opinion should be lent any credence?


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