Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

lockdowns will have being good practce when the Aliens arrive

I see sheep wrote: »

Ireland's slow re-opening is becoming a big issue imo.
I'm on holiday in the UK and have met 2 groups of North Americans who would usually be in Ireland now.
If another Summer is lost a huge number of tourists won't come back unfortunately.

The government pushed the whole travel bit back to July 19 before the EU came out with the statement that the new EU wide cert COULD be given out from June 1 unofficially, which many countries will do, and officially on July 1 so everybody could avail of it. The goverment has gone out of its way to be uncertain to anything prior to July 19 making that date the start no matter what the EU says, fully vaccinated or not.
As far as i can see it that will mean an extra month or more of loss of income for those catering for international travellers given that France and other countries will be using the cert from June 6 to welcome them.
And June IS the best summer month in Ireland.
The Irish summer season being short that is serious business lost.

I am rather baffled by the lack of focus on that by the news media.
Even though it appeared in an article on the RTE news website it was only briefly stated on the 6 and 9 o clock news yesterday and a bit on the Pat Kenny slot this morning in which the July 19 date was simply taken for a fact.
The US travellers will not be heading this way. They will go to France and spend their money there. But, they could possibly fly to Northern Ireland at some point and stay there.
We have had the strictest EU restrictions with very low SarsCov2 numbers now but will be one of the last countries to open up.
It makes arguing about Temple bar scenes look rather ridiculous, but that's where we are at..

gozunda wrote: »

Us Warning remains active for Ireland. But yeah a lot of Americans won't be coming here on organised tours whilst its in place ...

So wtf is "hide under the bed" ballcocks got to do with anything?

That warning is in place because of the Irish restrictions, not because Ireland is a country of 'concern'. Very low rates of infections.
In other words, it is the Irish Government signalling to stay away.
Fully vaccinated? Doesnt matter, unless you are a state or business official.
Yes, we know we bang on about the importance of being fully vaccinated but no, if you are you are still not welcome..

Ballynally wrote: »

That warning is in place because of the Irish restrictions, not because Ireland is a country of 'concern'. Very low rates of infections.
In other words, it is the Irish Government signalling to stay away.
Fully vaccinated? Doesnt matter, unless you are a state or business official.
Yes, we know we bang on about the importance of being fully vaccinated but no, if you are you are still not welcome..

That is nonsense

A source for your claim that Ireland is designated by the US as level 4 "because of restrictions" here would be good.

But no It doesn't work like that

The US are well able to make up their own mind on their travel advisories for US citizens

So you really think all the other countries on the US " Do not Travel" Level 4 etc are signaling to the US 'to stay away?"

And then there's the US embargo on all non US citizens / residents from flying there

Q: Can I travel to the United States? What does the travel order (Presidential Proclamation 10143) mean?

Entry of foreign nationals who were physically present within the following list of countries within 14 days prior to their entry or attempted entry into the United States is suspended, per Presidential Proclamations 9984, 9992, 10143 and the Presidential Proclamation of April 30: India; Brazil; The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, excluding overseas territories outside of Europe; The Republic of Ireland; South Africa; The 26 countries that comprise the Schengen Area (Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland); The Islamic Republic of Iran; The People’s Republic of China.

The travel restriction does not apply to American citizens, legal permanent residents, most immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in Presidential Proclamation 10143. Travelers are advised to visit the Department of Homeland Security’s website for further guidance on U.S. travel restrictions.

https://ie.usembassy.gov/us-travel-restrictions/

Maybes its our restrictions

Indo reporting that the PUP is to be phased out from September and tens of thousands to have to pay property tax as the exemption for "new homes" ends.

Reopening is only going to accelerate. The country is broke and as I and many others predicted, the bill for all this is now due (any notion of V-shaped recoveries or spending our way out of it clearly dispelled).

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo reporting that the PUP is to be phased out from September and tens of thousands to have to pay property tax as the exemption for "new homes" ends.

Reopening is only going to accelerate. The country is broke and as I and many others predicted, the bill for all this is now due (any notion of V-shaped recoveries or spending our way out of it clearly dispelled).

Yesterday

Momentum in economy building, Bank of Ireland's Economic Pulse shows

Irish economy poised for ‘strong recovery’ with growth above 4%

More unfounded scare and doom mongering.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Indo reporting that the PUP is to be phased out from September and tens of thousands to have to pay property tax as the exemption for "new homes" ends.

Reopening is only going to accelerate. The country is broke and as I and many others predicted, the bill for all this is now due (any notion of V-shaped recoveries or spending our way out of it clearly dispelled).

The price of this pandemic didn`t just suddenly appear out of the mist, and it only became a prediction from some here as to the reason for phased reopening because they could not accept that it was based on vaccination levels and hospital numbers.
It still is and there has been nothing to even suggest that has changed. and all going well, by Sept there will be few restriction remaining.

Btw. Bank of Ireland has changed it GDP growth prediction of Feb for 2021 from 5% to 5.8%.

gozunda wrote: »

Us Warning remains active for Ireland. But yeah a lot of Americans won't be coming here on organised tours whilst its in place ...

So wtf is "hide under the bed" ballcocks got to do with anything?

Let me clarify, it seemed obvious but again....
Very few tour operators will propose Ireland as an holiday destination, not for the rate of covid infections, but because hospitality is basically still closed and entertainment is non-existent.

So assuming that americans, or any other nationality, are not coming to Ireland because of that warning you posted is quite ridiculous.

The "hiding under the bed" is referred to the fact that only 16 countries from that list are at level 2 "exercise increased caution" :rolleyes: , The rest of the world is either level 3 "Reconsider travel" or , the majority, level 4 "Do not travel".

So based on that list, if you were american, where would you go?

bb1234567 wrote: »

God havn't checked much COVID related in so long now, but Ireland hasn't seen a COVID death for almost 3 weeks now? Is that right? It seems insane to have any significant restrictions whatsoever currently

Where'd you hear that?

Ballynally wrote: »

Community transmissions happen indoors in cross age group settings, ie, families and household visiting.
Some would be combined with workplace infections brought home.

That White house gathering was a puzzling one.
I have no evidence but i assume they got it in the waiting area, like in the boarding area in airports w bad ventilation, not on a plane or on a lawn as suggested.

About the saturday night i agree. Still, people get overly scared and upset by it.
The irish people are all in all very compliant, anomalies aside.
Does anyone actually believe in a 4th wave like the one in January?
Fear runs deep and is easily ignited

Community transmissions are listed as such because they are unsure of what setting the virus was transmitted in.

I would not look at the White House Rose Garden super spreader event as being overly puzzling, and I would not see it being down to bad ventilation in crowded airport boarding areas. I cannot see anyone who attended being in Ryanair like boarding queues prior to attending.

Who knows if there will be a fourth wave or not. Many countries were of the belief there would not be a second let alone a third and got caught out.

People are understandably afraid of this virus, have followed the recommendation and see our best way out of this as phased reopening aligned with the vaccination program. When they see scenes like Saturday night then I don`t know how people cannot understand how many feel that could possibly jeopardise this by some who do not give a fcuk for anyone but themselves.
Looking at the scenes they left behind them would only add to that feeling.

Stheno wrote: »

Think they have been unable to report deaths since the hack

Hopefully when we get back up and running they start doing weekly 7 day rolling reports as the should have been since doing last summer instead of doing the nightly conference of anxiety

VinLieger wrote: »

Hopefully when we get back up and running they start doing weekly 7 day rolling reports as the should have been since doing last summer instead of doing the nightly conference of anxiety

Because announcing a weeks worth of deaths in the likes of January and February wouldn't have heightened anxiety at all?

gozunda wrote: »

That is nonsense

A source for your claim that Ireland is designated by the US as level 4 "because of restrictions" here would be good.

But no It doesn't work like that

The US are well able to make up their own mind on their travel advisories for US citizens

So you really think all the other countries on the US " Do not Travel" Level 4 etc are signaling to the US 'to stay away?"

And then there's the US embargo on all non US citizens / residents from flying there



https://ie.usembassy.gov/us-travel-restrictions/

Maybes its our restrictions

The key word here is ADVISORY.
The designated level for Ireland (4) hasnt been updated since april 21!
Again, Advisory. If it was officially enforced with a ban it would have been updated for sure because some US travellers are already in the EU.
We are talking about US visitors to Ireland not the other way around like the embassy link you provided w a may 5 date, also out of date.Totally irrelevant.
The point is, many european countries want US travellers. The EU want the newly agreed Covid Cert to go ahead asap in June which can then possibly be rolled out to US visitors by individual countries, if they are fully vaccinated.
A lot of countries are going to take that up as soon as they can.
The government of Ireland is in charge of the barriers.
They are down and they dont seem to want them up until July 19, halfway through the summer season.
That is the policy, right or wrongly.
Other countries will gladly take the visitors instead..