Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Ray Donovan · 30-05-2021 04:28PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That's been the case since the fine was brought in do I don't see why it would now become a reason to drop it.

They have stated 19th July. It will be extended until then.

You’re really hanging your hat on that prediction.

gozunda · 30-05-2021 04:46PM

Klonker wrote: »

Independent.ie have the below on its website this morning.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-suspiciousat-growing-numbers-flying-out-ofcountry-40483434.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding

Hopefully this will put pressure on the government to drop the 2k fine when it lapses on the 2nd June as really the fine is not enforceable. All a person needs is a doctor/dentist appointment from the destination country for an essential reason to travel as that is on the legislation as an essential reason to travel. If the guards think the appointment is just an excuse for the travel which it probably is in most cases, there's nothing they can do because by law they are allowed to do it. It really should be dropped as its not fit for purpose.

Also it makes absolutely no sense that theres a fine for leaving the country under the guise of protecting the health of the nation. How is someone leaving the country a risk to the health of our population. At least if it was a fine for entering the country for a non essential reason it might make a little bit of sense.

So allow everyone to leave and slap all those who can't provide proof of a completed essential appointment etc with a fine on their return?

Yeah I can see that going down real well.

Tbh people should be adhering to the guidelines. Its not like we don't already have a date when international travel is returning tbh

Btw none of that includes those people who have real and genuine need to travel.

30-05-2021 04:48PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

You’re really hanging your hat on that prediction.

I'm happy to be wrong but I took the guys statement as being pretty obvious when he said that non essential travel will return that date.

is_that_so · 30-05-2021 05:21PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

You’re really hanging your hat on that prediction.

All of the July plans are contingent on the public health situation at that time. There is no reason to suppose that will worsen plus we'll be at about 80% vaccinated by then and possibly 50% fully vaccinated.

faceman · 30-05-2021 05:48PM

Marked increase in tourists in my region in Spain this past week. Not getting the impression there was much hassle in Dublin airport

Gael23 · 30-05-2021 06:03PM

Was looking forward to getting away this summer but in most of Europe you have to wear a mask at all times in public and that’s putting me off

Multipass · 30-05-2021 06:10PM

Hub D15 wrote: »

Not a great deal for working families. They have substantial costs and restrictions added to travel despite not being at risk from the virus.

Meanwhile the elderly who are at risk from the virus are vaccinated and are allowed travel without restrictions.

A very strange situation where those at most risk have the most freedom and those at least risk have the most restrictions and costs.

One suspects the justification for that is that those in government want the votes of the elderly and the taxes of the working families.

It’s a ridiculous situation - stay at home to protect the vulnerable.... when they get back from their sun holidays. And don’t even think of having house parties or drinking outside while they’re gone.

Rosereynolds · 30-05-2021 06:25PM

Wallander wrote: »

Looks like N Ireland is also accepting pre-departure antigen tests, which are cheaper. Belfast definitely looking the better option for family travel this summer in my opinion.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-travelling-amber-country

Test providers and type of test

You will need to find a test provider.
You must make sure that the test provider can meet the standards for pre-departure testing.
The test must:
meet performance standards of greater than or equal to 97 per cent specificity, greater than or equal to 80 per cent sensitivity at viral loads above 100,000 copies/ml

this could include tests such as:
a nucleic acid test, including a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test or derivative technologies, including loop-mediated isothermal amplification (LAMP) tests

an antigen test, such as a test from a lateral flow device

It’s destination dependent. Dublin airport is accepting antigen where applicable.

Tenzor07 · 30-05-2021 06:29PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Was looking forward to getting away this summer but in most of Europe you have to wear a mask at all times in public and that’s putting me off

Just make sure you're always sat at the bar, or a pool having a drink, you'll be grand...

Klonker · 30-05-2021 06:30PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I'm happy to be wrong but I took the guys statement as being pretty obvious when he said that non essential travel will return that date.

So no mention of the 2k then? So you're only guessing and the truth is we know it's in place until 2nd June and it's anyone's guess after that.

Klonker · 30-05-2021 06:33PM

gozunda wrote: »

So allow everyone to leave and slap all those who can't provide proof of a completed essential appointment etc with a fine on their return?

Yeah I can see that going down real well.

Tbh people should be adhering to the guidelines. Its not like we don't already have a date when international travel is returning tbh

Btw none of that includes those people who have real and genuine need to travel.

It makes no sense now though. How would a person leaving Ireland for whatever reason they want to leave be a threat to the health of our nation? None is the answer as they wouldn't even be here.

30-05-2021 06:38PM

Klonker wrote: »

So no mention of the 2k then? So you're only guessing and the truth is we know it's in place until 2nd June and it's anyone's guess after that.

Obviously and that's my guess. We will see soon enough but what is it about this statement that you think I'm misunderstanding?

"Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said: “By the 19th of July, we will remove the ban on non-essential travel."

Klonker · 30-05-2021 06:41PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Did they not update that to be “essential medical/dental” ruling out checkups etc? Not saving physio wouldn’t be okay though.

Not that i know of. Essential is listed next on the list of reasons.

The other thing is your letter may be in another language, how would the guards even know what it says. Never mind the fact even if it was in English, how would the guard be able to know what was an official letter from another country or not unless it was very badly put together.

Klonker · 30-05-2021 06:44PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Obviously and that's my guess. We will see soon enough

Might want it edit your earlier post as you stated they stated its there until 19th July and that's factually incorrect. Don't know why you'd want to mislead the viewers of this thread

gozunda · 30-05-2021 07:26PM

Klonker wrote: »

It makes no sense now though. How would a person leaving Ireland for whatever reason they want to leave be a treat to the health of our nation? None is the answer as they wouldn't even be here.

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

Klonker · 30-05-2021 07:48PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

OK so you agree that the risk to public health is when they return to Ireland. That's good that we agree how ridiculous it is fine someone while leaving the country under the guise of protecting the health of our citizens.

Rosereynolds · 30-05-2021 07:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

I am going on holiday for 4 months. I own a place in Spain, I normally go back and forth 6 weeks here 6 weeks there. Haven’t been there in a year, will now go for 4 months to get some much needed vitamin D.

I am not a criminal.

Darwin · 30-05-2021 08:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

...it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection....

So a bit like the reopening of schools here then, yet NPHET were quite happy with this arrangement.

ZX7R · 30-05-2021 08:01PM

Anyone explain why they would expect 10 hour delays at Dublin airport when overseas travel resumes.

Wallander · 30-05-2021 08:03PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

What's the worry about picking up 'unwanted presents' at a time when most EU countries have lower infection rates than Ireland?

Shouldn't the responsibility be on the individual to behave appropriately? By the looks of some goings on in Dublin this weekend, it's easy enough to find crowds and avoid social distancing here if you are inclined to. I can assure you my holidays are pretty tame in comparison.

The Nutty M · 30-05-2021 08:17PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Anyone explain why they would expect 10 hour delays at Dublin airport when overseas travel resumes.

If you seen it yesterday,you would understand why it is close to the mark time wise.
We were one flight of around 140-150 people. I was in row 8 on the plane and we were deboarded by seat row. It took nearly 30mins to get through passport control. God help the ones from the back of the plane.
The main problem seemed to be very slow input of data to the computer imo,these boys were AGS. I've been through twice in the last month through normal immigration and they fly through the questions and data input.

gozunda · 30-05-2021 08:18PM

Klonker wrote: »

OK so you agree that the risk to public health is when they return to Ireland. That's good that we agree how ridiculous it is fine someone while leaving the country under the guise of protecting the health of our citizens.

I'd say its more correct to say its simply the other face of the same coin tbf

Its a case of helping protecting public health by reducing the likleyhood of people becoming infected in higher risk travel activities

And that with the knowledge that testing doesn't stop people getting infected

So with your argument would you suggest we don't leave them return then because of the higher risk potential or?

Don't think that would go down too well tbf

gozunda · 30-05-2021 08:20PM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

I am going on holiday for 4 months. I own a place in Spain, I normally go back and forth 6 weeks here 6 weeks there. Haven’t been there in a year, will now go for 4 months to get some much needed vitamin D.

I am not a criminal.

Well lol. No One said you were now tbf :pac:

You don't have to be a criminal to stick with the travel advisories tbf

gozunda · 30-05-2021 08:24PM

Darwin wrote: »

So a bit like the reopening of schools here then, yet NPHET were quite happy with this arrangement.

Well not really

When is one of these things not like the other?

I think most people have accepted schools for kids are an essential activity despite the risk.

Sitting on a beach (for example) in some other country at this time isn't

gozunda · 30-05-2021 08:28PM

Wallander wrote: »

What's the worry about picking up 'unwanted presents' at a time when most EU countries have lower infection rates than Ireland?

Shouldn't the responsibility be on the individual to behave appropriately? By the looks of some goings on in Dublin this weekend, it's easy enough to find crowds and avoid social distancing here if you are inclined to. I can assure you my holidays are pretty tame in comparison.

Think I answered that...

gozunda wrote: »

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

Darwin · 30-05-2021 08:32PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well not really

When is one of these things not like the other?

I think most people have accepted schools for kids are an essential activity despite the risk.

Sitting on a beach in some other country at this time isn't

Except you are making the assumption that people who wish to travel are going to be sitting on a beach. You should take off your blinkers!

gozunda · 30-05-2021 08:36PM

Darwin wrote: »

Except you are making the assumption that people who wish to travel are going to be sitting on a beach. You should take off your blinkers!

Well no - thats just an example obviously. Or would you like me to list all possible destinations? We could be here for a while...

I already covered travel for those who genuinely need to. See first comment. So you can take that as read.

You could leave off with the personalations!

ZX7R · 30-05-2021 08:40PM

The Nutty M wrote: »

If you seen it yesterday,you would understand why it is close to the mark time wise.
We were one flight of around 140-150 people. I was in row 8 on the plane and we were deboarded by seat row. It took nearly 30mins to get through passport control. God help the ones from the back of the plane.
The main problem seemed to be very slow input of data to the computer imo,these boys were AGS. I've been through twice in the last month through normal immigration and they fly through the questions and data input.

Understand now,I had visions of people queuing for 10 hours to get on a plane.

Darwin · 30-05-2021 08:45PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well no - thats just an example obviously. Or would you like me to list all possible destinations? We could be here for a while...

I already covered travel for those who genuinely need to. See first comment. So you can take that as read.

You could leave off with the personalations!

The point I'm making is the travel restrictions are an unnecessarily blunt instrument and for people with a genuine need to travel that is not on the official list of reasons are left in a situation where they have to argue their case at the airport which is absolutely ridiculous.

Rosereynolds · 30-05-2021 09:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well lol. No One said you were now tbf :pac:

You don't have to be a criminal to stick with the travel advisories tbf

you kinda implied it though

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