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  • 28-05-2021 4:39pm
    #1
    kowloon
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    Am I correct in thinking rimfires with under 10 round capacity are on a regular and not restricted licence? The .308 calibre restriction only applies to centrefire, right?


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  • #2
    Rows Grower
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    kowloon wrote: »
    Am I correct in thinking rimfires with under 10 round capacity are on a regular and not restricted licence? The .308 calibre restriction only applies to centrefire, right?

    You're right about the first part, but I have no idea what you mean in the second question.

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  • #3
    BattleCorp
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    Rimfires that have a 10 round or less magazine are unrestricted. Go over the 10 rounds and you need a restricted licence.

    A .308 is restricted if it is a semi-auto no matter what size of magazine in it. Under our version of EU regulations, it is illegal to have a semi-auto centrefire magazine greater than 10 rounds so you are stuck with a max mag capacity of 10 rounds in your centrefire .308.

    If you are asking is there's a 10 round max capacity limit for bolt action .308's, I'm not sure. I don't think so but wiser people than me can answer that question.


  • #4
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    So an 8 round rimfire is fine, I get that, but does the calibre restriction apply only to centrefires? I'm looking at a .52 rimfire.


  • #5
    tudderone
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    kowloon wrote: »
    So an 8 round rimfire is fine, I get that, but does the calibre restriction apply only to centrefires? I'm looking at a .52 rimfire.

    You cannot leave that there , need more info !


  • #6
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    tudderone wrote: »
    You cannot leave that there , need more info !

    I was looking at a Spencer Carbine for my collection as I don't have one yet and I think I should fix that. :)


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  • #7
    Richard308
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    kowloon wrote: »
    I was looking at a Spencer Carbine for my collection as I don't have one yet and I think I should fix that. :)

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  • #8
    Grizzly 45
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    R
    If you are asking is there's a 10 round max capacity limit for bolt action .308's, I'm not sure. I don't think so but wiser people than me can answer that question.

    There isn't... You can have a 100 round drum mag if you so wanted,on a straight pull,pump action, lever action, bolt action, MARS/Lever release, or any other action bar semi auto Also irrespective of what it looks like too. The EU directive made no mention of mag capacity for anything else,ditto the Irish legislation.
    I was looking at a Spencer Carbine for my collection as I don't have one yet and I think I should fix that.

    It would be restricted on calibre size here , not mag capacity or action. Ammo will be fun for this tho.Black powder and rimfire?:eek:

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  • #9
    kowloon
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    It would be restricted on calibre size here , not mag capacity or action. Ammo will be fun for this tho.Black powder and rimfire?:eek:

    That's the answer I was looking for, I saw in the copy online that it said:
    (c) the following long firearms (not being assault rifles or bullpup rifles):


    (i) single-shot or repeating rifled centre-fire firearms of a calibre not exceeding 7.62 millimetres (.308 inch) and whose overall length is greater than 90 centimetres

    which makes it unclear to me if rimfires are exempt from the calibre requirement or not.


  • #10
    Uinseann_16
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    Only applies to centerfire a .44 Henry flat or .32 long would not be restricted
    I brought this topic up alright about how if a .32 long was modernized and made into a semi auto carbine it wouldn't be restricted


  • #11
    Munsterlad102
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    It would be restricted on calibre size here , not mag capacity or action. Ammo will be fun for this tho.Black powder and rimfire?:eek:

    Would that be classed as a bullpup too, and hence restricted? Just another thing to consider if you get something similar in 22lr.


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  • #12
    Munsterlad102
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    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    I brought this topic up alright about how if a .32 long was modernized and made into a semi auto carbine it wouldn't be restricted

    How so? Surely it would be restricted because it would be a centrefire semi auto and restricted on caliber too.


  • #13
    Cass
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    My first thought was its restricted. Then, after checking SI 21/2008, SI 337/2009 and the firearms act i can find no mention of a "restricted" bullet in a rimfrie case. I think they just never thought of it, and frankly i had to look it up myself.

    Its a grey area or middle ground and in such circumstances i'd advise going with the safest option and that is a restricted license. They're not the "bogeymen" that people believe them to be and even if there is an argument for the gun to be classed as unrestricted a restricted license will cover you, guaranteed whereas an unrestricted may not.

    This also brought up something else i was thinking off. If you have the wrong license you're legally not licensed. So if i had a semi auto centrefire on an unrestricted license, and the law says the onus is on me to know which license i should need, then i'm unlicensed. However does the same apply in reverse. If i have a .22lr on a restricted license am i covered or not. Its not, technically, the right license, but i suppose it give me the option of making the gun restricted by using a mag with more than 10 rounds and its my choice to do so or not.

    I suppose what i'm thinking is if we consider the licenses as "levels" rather than based solely on caliber/design, then the higher up you go the more you're covered.
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  • #14
    kowloon
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    I think you're right Cass, it would just be easier to apply for the "higher" licence rather than run into trouble with the reverse.


  • #15
    Uinseann_16
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    Munsterlad102 wrote: »
    How so? Surely it would be restricted because it would be a centrefire semi auto and restricted on caliber too.

    32 long , a rimfire caliber
    I assumed from my talk of rimfire it would be obvious I wasn't talking about .32 S&W
    I should have clarified a bit more about the caliber
    It was basically a larger .22 it also came in the .32short and .32 long like the .22lr .22long .22 short does
    It would most certainly be possible to modernize it since the .22lr is just as old of a caliber , hell .32 extra long was made as a smokeless cartridge at one point
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_rimfire


  • #16
    cookimonster
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    However does the same apply in reverse. If i have a .22lr on a restricted license am i covered or not. Its not, technically, the right license

    A friend of mine was granted a license for a 30-06, but the Gaurds issued him a restricted licence. Now on face value you'd think 'all is okay, sure he has the licence, no bother'. But his circumstances did not provide for the level of security required for a restricted firearm. So the scenario is that the local Gaurds what to do a check and here's a lad with a restricted license and not the appropriate security need for said license regardless of whether or not the actual firearm is restricted..... remember they can impose what restrictions they want .... then you have to take the argument to them.

    Anyhow it was eventually sorted after a while and a certain amount of slow talking during the explanation that a 30-06 is actually a 30 calibre.


  • #17
    Cass
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    That'd be important if it was a single firearm or two, alright. The automatic rise in security level would be costly.

    For some it wouldn't be a problem if they had that level of security already there.

    Reminds me of my last restricted rifle. Met the CS and got the license. Then spent the next three weeks waiting because even though i met him the CS kept sending the application down to the Super to grant/sign off on and the Super kept sending it back up saying it was restricted and the CS had to sign off on it.
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  • #18
    kowloon
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    I have my guns in a safe in a room with a security door and on its own zone on the alarm system. I wish we had a "collector's Licence" like you see elsewhere. I can't see people getting shot with pinfires any time soon.


  • #19
    Munsterlad102
    Registered Users Posts: 549 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    kowloon wrote: »
    I have my guns in a safe in a room with a security door and on its own zone on the alarm system. I wish we had a "collector's Licence" like you see elsewhere. I can't see people getting shot with pinfires any time soon.

    You can get authorized by AGS to collect antique firearms, however they class them as "pre-unitary cartridges", so that rules out pinfires. That being said, there's no legal definition so it's a grey area. I've seen a good few such revolvers for sale at auctions and even a car boot sale, so it's unlikely ERU are going to break down your door and arrest you.


  • #20
    meathstevie
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    Can you still get the ammo for it or is it completely obsolete ? If it was you could probably have it as a collectible antique if you discuss it properly with the powers that be.


  • #21
    Grizzly 45
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    https://www.rccbrass.com/56-56-spencer-rimfire/
    OTOH,you would want to be into reloading and have access to bP to do this.so its still very difficult to make up ammo for it here.

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  • #22
    Munsterlad102
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    https://www.rccbrass.com/56-56-spencer-rimfire/
    OTOH,you would want to be into reloading and have access to bP to do this.so its still very difficult to make up ammo for it here.

    What laws and regulations govern reloading?


  • #23
    Uinseann_16
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Uinseann_16


    Munsterlad102 wrote: »
    What laws and regulations govern reloading?

    Basically you've to be a member of the Midlands for a TLDR of it
    Or have alot of money , like alot alot


  • #24
    tudderone
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    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    Basically you've to be a member of the Midlands for a TLDR of it
    Or have alot of money , like alot alot

    Its absolute nonsense, reloading is done throughout the Uk, Europe, America and the rest of the world with no issue. Typical Irish, things that are simple to do everywhere else are a big Hoo-Haa here :rolleyes:.


  • #25
    Feisar
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    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    Basically you've to be a member of the Midlands for a TLDR of it
    Or have alot of money , like alot alot

    That's the best short version I have seen! Although one thing, it's not the Midlands per se but the F Class team that shoot out of there.

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  • #26
    Munsterlad102
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    Uinseann_16 wrote: »
    Basically you've to be a member of the Midlands for a TLDR of it
    Or have alot of money , like alot alot

    Oh yeah, I know that you can do it in Midlands, but do you know the actual legislation and Garda rules? I couldn't find anything online, and I just want to check something.


  • #27
    cookimonster
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    Have a start here - Storing Explosives
    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/storing_explosives

    Criminal Justice Act 2006
    40.— The following section is inserted after section 10 of the Principal Act: “Reloading of ammunition.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2006/act/26/section/40/enacted/en/html


    Previous Thread on Boards - Reloading in Ireland 2017

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51715961


  • #28
    Uinseann_16
    Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Uinseann_16


    Munsterlad102 wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I know that you can do it in Midlands, but do you know the actual legislation and Garda rules? I couldn't find anything online, and I just want to check something.

    Did you recently win on a nice size scratch card or have a distant uncle you left you a lump sum?
    It been discussed if you look through the forum grizzly put some great links up
    Again unless you've got about 20-50,000 to piss away on the chance to be able to reload but not guaranteed....
    Not trying to rain on your parade but I've looked into it for hours and hours and basically it's a dead end unfortunately


  • #29
    Grizzly 45
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    cookimonster wrote: »
    Have a start here - Storing Explosives
    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/storing_explosives

    Criminal Justice Act 2006
    40.— The following section is inserted after section 10 of the Principal Act: “Reloading of ammunition.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2006/act/26/section/40/enacted/en/html


    Previous Thread on Boards - Reloading in Ireland 2017

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51715961

    And don't forget this little gem of what you require in law in facilities.

    S.I. No. 804 of 2007
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    STORES FOR EXPLOSIVES ORDER 2007


    An Irish solution to an Irish problem... Sure you can reload here no problem...Just follow this legislation set up for an industrial unit manufacturing 100s of thousands of rounds and you'll be grand!:rolleyes:
    They aren't going to change much for us reloading a dozen rounds for deer season either.:rolleyes:

    Ever wonder why there is complete overkill on the Midlands reloading and storage facilities?:rolleyes:

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