RTE Radio 1: Late Debate

21-05-2021 06:59PM

serfboard wrote: »

Vincent Browne was good but was, by all accounts, a "difficult" person to work with, and certainly on his television programme, he seemed to have a few peatas who he treated very easily compared to others.

On the first point: with the height of respect, so what? Browne apparently was a little intimidating to his staff, back when that kind of thing was allowed. Ok.

The listener needn't worry himself with speculation as to the feelings of Browne's acolytes, many of whom have progressed to very impressive careers in newspapers.

On the point about Browne having a bias, this was probably more a feature of his TV3 work (as it then was) than his work on Late Debate or in newspapers.

I first got interested in radio in my teens by doing a menial job while listening to Vincent Browne eviscerate his guests on Late Debate, or, on the same programme, delve into policy debates in a really meaningful way — consulting experts on matters of economic planning, local government, ethics, etc.

There is so much scope here for a really excellent, public-service programme. The programme producers ought to try and live up to the standard set by Vincent Browne.

Good loser · 22-05-2021 06:18PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yep, correct and right.

So we are bunched, is that what you are saying?

'Hope springs eternal'

Up to recently the debate on housing was carried out with studious avoidance of reference to costs. At least recently there has been some mention of these.
For instance I have heard it said the State could over 10/15 years only fund about one third of the money required - this seems about right. Also John Moran knows what he is talking about. When the Left are cornered on costs (rarely) they refer to this O Cuallan scheme - they reckon 50,000 houses can be built on the basis of the costings of a single, small (and exceptional) scheme built 5/10 years ago.

Good loser · 22-05-2021 06:36PM

serfboard wrote: »

I think Katie does a very good job here too.

Let's compare her to two other occupants of the slot - Cormac O hEadhra and Vincent Browne. Cormac used to stir the pot to such an extent that all the contributors ended up shouting over one another and Cormac lost control.

Vincent Browne was good but was, by all accounts, a "difficult" person to work with, and certainly on his television programme, he seemed to have a few peatas who he treated very easily compared to others.

To me, Katie has the right approach in asking difficult questions in a way that a) we can hear the answers and b) some information is conveyed. Shouting and roaring in a radio studio makes for a poor listening experience.

Katie is better than the other two clowns, although Gara is somewhat better on Drivetime than he was before - less bullish and mulish, more rational.
Always felt Browne was 'full of sound and fury signifying nothing', boorish, outrageously biased and seriously partial towards his favourites.
Katie is limited, not very efficient with time or language and generally is not well researched. RTE would do well to get Kieran Cuddihy from Newstalk.

Dempo1 · 25-05-2021 09:31PM

This 1 metre rule, maximum 6 at a table, time limits for indoor dining is just beyond silly, does government seriously think any establishment is going to adhere to this absurd nonsense.

Bad enough an enormous amount of restaurants won't last the length of the summer but any notion tourism this year will be saved is just absurd. Far too late now and further to this international visitors will be practicality non existant until 2022.

25-05-2021 09:50PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This 1 metre rule, maximum 6 at a table, time limits for indoor dining is just beyond silly, does government seriously think any establishment is going to adhere to this absurd nonsense.

They will adhere. Just wait until someone breaks that rule, and posts pics to Twitter. Time limits sound silly, alright; but all the guidance has been adhered-to so far. I believe that will continue. Restaurants have done everything that was asked.

Dempo1 · 25-05-2021 09:58PM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They will adhere. Just wait until someone breaks that rule, and posts pics to Twitter. Time limits sound silly, alright; but all the guidance has been adhered-to so far. I believe that will continue. Restaurants have done everything that was asked.

Fair point but I honestly believe these businesses have had enough and I'm guessing they'll know that hell will freeze over before another lockdown happens. Actually, I'd be thinking that awful expression "pented up demand" is a red herring when it comes to indoor dining, sadly I think it's going to be a long, long time before a lot of people will dine in restaurants on a regular basis for quite some time, particularly those that have tight seating in place.

1992ChainGang · 26-05-2021 08:03AM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

They will adhere. Just wait until someone breaks that rule, and posts pics to Twitter. Time limits sound silly, alright; but all the guidance has been adhered-to so far. I believe that will continue. Restaurants have done everything that was asked.

They honestly haven't been all adhered to in the past. I live in Dublin, been to many different restaurants and bars throughout the various stages of different rules, time limits, meals etc and 80% haven't follow them strictly. Even when guards came in and spoke with management I never saw any bar being pulled up (not to say it never happened but it's very uncommon).

I reckon so long as there's not people gathered up at the bars or standing in groups I couldnt see any guards having issues or even asking how long has a person been sitting inside for.

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 09:12AM

1992ChainGang wrote: »

They honestly haven't been all adhered to in the past. I live in Dublin, been to many different restaurants and bars throughout the various stages of different rules, time limits, meals etc and 80% haven't follow them strictly. Even when guards came in and spoke with management I never saw any bar being pulled up (not to say it never happened but it's very uncommon).

I reckon so long as there's not people gathered up at the bars or standing in groups I couldnt see any guards having issues or even asking how long has a person been sitting inside for.

It's a tough one, the harsh reality is the industry on its knee's and with the best will and intentions in the world they'll grab every last cent coming in. As it is, few will either reopen or survive and at best those that do (restaurants particularly) will not turn a profit for months. On top of this, Landlords will also come a knocking and no amount of government supports will resolve the minf blowing rental and tax arrears, these two issues will also haunt the retail sector for quite some time to come.

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 09:18PM

Regina Doherty, is there another politician so intensely unlikeable, horrid individual.

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 09:25PM

Katie, any person on PUP who was in part time employment and now ON PUP is ABSOLUTELY not getting €350 pw. It just astonishes me this fixation on this €350 pup rate. 47% on this rate, the remainder on far less and many on equivalent rate of JSA @ €203 PW.

26-05-2021 09:44PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Katie, any person on PUP who was in part time employment and now ON PUP is ABSOLUTELY not getting €350 pw. It just astonishes me this fixation on this €350 pup rate. 47% on this rate, the remainder on far less and many on equivalent rate of JSA @ €203 PW.

That's a very good point. Still, it means that 53% of people (I assume) have an extremely high replacement rate of income from welfare. It is in everyone's interest that that figure should be reduced.

I don't buy into the narrative that people on the PUP are shirkers; that's patent nonsense. But the sooner they get back to any kind of work, the better for everyone. Replacement rates will have to fall.

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 09:50PM

I bought my house in Laois 20 years ago, from Dublin, prices even back then were outrageous, but I don't recall getting any supports, special treatments etc, in fact I spent 6 hours a day for 3 years driving back and forth to dublin for work (those in the know will remember trying to drive through kildare County before it was bypassed)

Dempo1 · 26-05-2021 09:55PM

Lol, Regina thinks Eoghan Murphy will be missed

That photo was quickly removed from Frances Fitzgeralds twitter feed

couldn't be seen with a beggar in the background of a publicity photo

26-05-2021 09:59PM

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1397218936849149953?s=19

dulpit · 27-05-2021 12:38PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

I bought my house in Laois 20 years ago, from Dublin, prices even back then were outrageous, but I don't recall getting any supports, special treatments etc, in fact I spent 6 hours a day for 3 years driving back and forth to dublin for work (those in the know will remember trying to drive through kildare County before it was bypassed)

Is your point that because it was hard for you then, it should still be hard now?

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 02:16PM

dulpit wrote: »

Is your point that because it was hard for you then, it should still be hard now?

Not at all but I get a sense people think purchasing a house/home suddenly became difficult and challenging over night. Indeed I would argue a heck of a lot more difficult 20 years ago and with very strict eligibility criteria.

Lack Housing supply is also not new, indeed to finish, I would also argue its now much, much easier to live outside Dublin in surrounding counties with far better roads and public transport. The narrative seems to be making housing more affordable, I and many others didn't have such a luxury 20 years ago. I'm not suggesting the situation fair, just pointing out, nothing new.

thesandeman · 27-05-2021 02:27PM

It's probably due to social distancing, but why did they leave the Labour spokesperson stuck in a corner while the others sat around the table? All was needed was to put a dunces hat on her. The camera didn't even pan in on her when she was speaking.

27-05-2021 02:34PM

thesandeman wrote: »

It's probably due to social distancing, but why did they leave the Labour spokesperson stuck in a corner while the others sat around the table? All was needed was to put a dunces hat on her. The camera didn't even pan in on her when she was speaking.

Are we still talking about Late Debate here? Is it live-streamed on the telly now, or what?

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 02:39PM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Are we still talking about Late Debate here? Is it live-streamed on the telly now, or what?

It is, slight delay when Primetime on, re seating, yes, social distancing still being adhered to in studio.

Furze99 · 27-05-2021 02:57PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Not at all but I get a sense people think purchasing a house/home suddenly became difficult and challenging over night. Indeed I would argue a heck of a lot more difficult 20 years ago and with very strict eligibility criteria.

Lack Housing supply is also not new, indeed to finish, I would also argue its now much, much easier to live outside Dublin in surrounding counties with far better roads and public transport. The narrative seems to be making housing more affordable, I and many others didn't have such a luxury 20 years ago. I'm not suggesting the situation fair, just pointing out, nothing new.

Absolutely, nothing new in the practicalities of where to buy. You can argue that rents are higher proportionately now and a bit harder to save. But it wasn't exactly easy before either.

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 03:00PM

Furze99 wrote: »

Absolutely, nothing new in the practicalities of where to buy. You can argue that rents are higher proportionately now and a bit harder to save. But it wasn't exactly easy before either.

Indeed and yes have to agree rents are certainly higher

dulpit · 27-05-2021 07:32PM

One thing I'd wish they'd do in late debate is have an objective expert on if possible. At one point last night Regina Doherty and Lynn Boylan were calling each other liars over a specific point, and it would have been great if someone could have fact checked on the fly.

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 07:44PM

dulpit wrote: »

One thing I'd wish they'd do in late debate is have an objective expert on if possible. At one point last night Regina Doherty and Lynn Boylan were calling each other liars over a specific point, and it would have been great if someone could have fact checked on the fly.

It was pretty grim alright, only for social distancing I thought eyes were going to scratched out, there's so much venom between FG & SF its become almost farcical. I've not heard a civil, coherent debate between either side in months and when a representative of either party is part of a discussion it descends into chaos and Zero contribution to a debate /discussion.

thesandeman · 27-05-2021 07:45PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

It is, slight delay when Primetime on, re seating, yes, social distancing still being adhered to in studio.

Strange thing though is that there was an empty chair at the table equidistant from the others but the Labour person was sitting against the wall in a corner.

Brendan Bendar · 27-05-2021 07:51PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

It was pretty grim alright, only for social distancing I thought eyes were going to scratched out, there's so much venom between FG & SF its become almost farcical. I've not heard a civil, coherent debate between either side in months and when a representative of either party is part of a discussion it descends into chaos and Zero contribution to a debate /discussion.

Well you are one of the main cheerleaders for Hannon.

She in the person in charge along with the production team

Why do they churn out this bulldust night after night?

I have being saying it’s a shambles for yonks.

Badly produced, badly presented, badly balanced

Yet the same cheerleaders always appear?

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 08:09PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well you are one of the main cheerleaders for Hannon.

She in the person in charge along with the production team

Why do they churn out this bulldust night after night?

I have being saying it’s a shambles for yonks.

Badly produced, badly presented, badly balanced

Yet the same cheerleaders always appear?

I do cheer lead Katie who does a stellar job given the format, time slot and limited time for actual debate. If guests can't help themselves, no presenter can control that unless of course the behave in the same way. I'll admit to having a dislike for Regina but both were terrible.

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 09:18PM

O dear the FF Representative John Lahart not aware the J&J vacinne has actually been approved by the FDA, embarrassing slip up there.

I stand slightly corrected, seems there's an issue with a J&J Factory but not the vacinne as such

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 09:29PM

Katie must have heard you Brendan, she's putting her foot down tonight

Dempo1 · 27-05-2021 09:31PM

Here we go, Hotelier moaning about not being able to get staff, we're was their concern when staff were laid off???

touts · 27-05-2021 09:35PM

Katie is spot on. If he can't get staff because they are better off on the PUP (€350 less tax) then maybe he should be paying staff more.

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