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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    Thanks Deano , that covers it . I'm only competing with myself so not too bothered in performance benefits. If its safe to squat without them I'll continue as I am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Deano7788


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Thanks Deano , that covers it . I'm only competing with myself so not too bothered in performance benefits. If its safe to squat without them I'll continue as I am.

    Perfectly safe, I did it for years before I took up powerlifting properly.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    The YouTube algorithms have lots of lifting videos showing on my feed now . Nearly everyone I see doing squats has some kind of straps on their knees. Is this something everyone should be doing or only those that have issues ? I don't currently have any knee problems , is it harmful to lift long term without knee protection thanks ?

    (Edit: sorry, threw this up before I saw Dean’s very good answer)

    Short answer - no, carry on as you are.

    Long answer: Someone with a previous knee injury might wear something for a little bit of compression, warmth etc I’ve dislocated my knee and torn ligaments from BJJ, and on some max effort days I’ll do this.

    Some competitive lifters will properly wrap for major support and compression, but that’s even more niche.

    The average gym goer with healthy knees will never need any of this and if their squat form is ok it will never arise. To be honest even if their form is not ideal chances are they are not squatting a weight where it matters that much anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,771 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Thanks Deano , that covers it . I'm only competing with myself so not too bothered in performance benefits. If its safe to squat without them I'll continue as I am.



    I only got a pair before I did my first comp. Just on the off-chance it might add that 1%.


    You don't need them at all.


    Now, I mostly use them to muffle the sound of my knees crackling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Whatever you do, don't start wearing wraps for leg press


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Whatever you do, don't start wearing wraps for leg press

    Why not? That way he can load 84 plates and 4 of his buddies onto it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    Why not? That way he can load 84 plates and 4 of his buddies onto it.

    oil right you guys

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    The YouTube algorithms have lots of lifting videos showing on my feed now . Nearly everyone I see doing squats has some kind of straps on their knees. Is this something everyone should be doing or only those that have issues ? I don't currently have any knee problems , is it harmful to lift long term without knee protection thanks ?

    I have had multiple knee surgeries and don't wear knee wraps squatting. I don't need them.

    Wraps give a slight advantage in competition. But people on YouTube wear them to look hardcore, mainly.

    If someone is wearing them to compensate for knee issues, they should spend time fixing the issues.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    silverharp wrote: »
    oil right you guys

    I wonder how many folks get that one ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I wonder how many folks get that one ;)

    I was waiting :D

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    What time of the day is your blood pressure at it's lowest?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    frosty123 wrote: »
    What time of the day is your blood pressure at it's lowest?

    When you’re asleep

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    ...and when you're awake?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    frosty123 wrote: »
    ...and when you're awake?

    its going to be individual, any GP worth their salt wont generally rely on a one off reading, they will get you to wear a 24 hr monitor if they wanted the data to help diagnose something. There are confounders like "white coat syndrome" where people's blood pressure rises by virtue of being in a GP surgery

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,816 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Guys, I’m looking spend a few quid on setting up a bit of a home gym...

    I currently have..

    Exercise bike..

    Weights..

    Bosu Ball..

    Resistance bands..

    Cross trainer..


    My next big purchase is a treadmill.. I was looking at MC sport and was keen to know if anybody has bought any equipment or stuff from them, any opinions... good bad or indifferent ? If negative a pm would be appreciated...probably over having to criticize on thread. Thanks for any help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    Met a polish guy today who was just back from underground gym :D secret knock job , anyways we got chatting about fitness and stuff he used to be a personal trainer in Poland .
    In summary
    He reckons you can't get big or muscular at home with a barbell and dumbells you need machines , loads of machine to isolate muscles lift really heavy and eat 6 chicken breasts a day .
    Don't do deadlifts at all - risk/reward with injury is just not worth it .
    Don't squat - use leg press machine .
    Basically without machines you'll never progress and only lift 3 days a week .
    Is that all bro science or has he a point . I don't necessarily want to get big but is it possible to make the same gains at home as someone in gym , if you have barbell and dumbells ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭the baby bull elephant


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Met a polish guy today who was just back from underground gym :D secret knock job , anyways we got chatting about fitness and stuff he used to be a personal trainer in Poland .
    In summary
    He reckons you can't get big or muscular at home with a barbell and dumbells you need machines , loads of machine to isolate muscles lift really heavy and eat 6 chicken breasts a day .
    Don't do deadlifts at all - risk/reward with injury is just not worth it .
    Don't squat - use leg press machine .
    Basically without machines you'll never progress and only lift 3 days a week .
    Is that all bro science or has he a point . I don't necessarily want to get big but is it possible to make the same gains at home as someone in gym , if you have barbell and dumbells ?

    Pretty much just a men's health article from the early 2000s haha.

    It's all bro science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Deano7788


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Met a polish guy today who was just back from underground gym :D secret knock job , anyways we got chatting about fitness and stuff he used to be a personal trainer in Poland .
    In summary
    He reckons you can't get big or muscular at home with a barbell and dumbells you need machines , loads of machine to isolate muscles lift really heavy and eat 6 chicken breasts a day .
    Don't do deadlifts at all - risk/reward with injury is just not worth it .
    Don't squat - use leg press machine .
    Basically without machines you'll never progress and only lift 3 days a week .
    Is that all bro science or has he a point . I don't necessarily want to get big but is it possible to make the same gains at home as someone in gym , if you have barbell and dumbells ?

    Total Bro Science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    silverharp wrote: »
    any GP worth their salt wont generally rely on a one off reading, they will get you to wear a 24 hr monitor if they wanted the data to help diagnose something. There are confounders like "white coat syndrome" where people's blood pressure rises by virtue of being in a GP surgery

    my GP wrote down "hypertension", I said that sounds bad could you write down above average blood pressure instead...he said NO! "I'm using the medical term" was he a bit mean? I mean the job application could hinge on this...


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    Met a polish guy today who was just back from underground gym secret knock job , anyways we got chatting about fitness and stuff he used to be a personal trainer in Poland .
    In summary
    He reckons you can't get big or muscular at home with a barbell and dumbells you need machines , loads of machine to isolate muscles lift really heavy and eat 6 chicken breasts a day .
    Don't do deadlifts at all - risk/reward with injury is just not worth it .
    Don't squat - use leg press machine .
    Basically without machines you'll never progress and only lift 3 days a week .
    Is that all bro science or has he a point . I don't necessarily want to get big but is it possible to make the same gains at home as someone in gym , if you have barbell and dumbells ?

    The way it's presented there it's not "true" in the strict sense.

    There's no reason you can't get big with no machines and a home set-up, particularly if you have access to a barbell, bench and rack as well as dumbbells.

    The claim about strength doesn't really make much sense, I'm not sure how someone who trains only on machines could definitively be determined to be "stronger". What, we have a leg press competition? Maybe, stranger things have happened.

    But if you take some of his claims then if they were coached in a different way they are not total nonsense.

    If your goal was purely hypertrophy, and in particular if you wanted to train using some bodybuilding approaches machines do make a lot of sense as a big chunk of your training.

    If doing rest/pause or anything involving real blood or guts failure then there are a lot of times a machine could work better than a barbell, and be safer. There's some lower body movements you would have to have them to do real rest/pause work.

    If you're doing drop sets they're much handier than free weights. Even without a partner, particularly on a selectorised machine.

    For forced reps you need machines and a partner to train the way some pro bodybuilders do. If you look at videos of Dorian Yates training people this gives you an absolute masterclass in what this looks like.

    It is hard to find free weight alternatives to particular machines like leg curls, leg extensions and hack squats that allow you to do a lot of volume for leg size without beating up your lower back. If you're training purely for size you will still do your free weight lifts but when you're doing squatting and so you would then go and still do a **** load of volume on the lower body machines. At home you can do single leg exercises and things but it's not the same.

    Probably the most controversial thing I'll say, but a lot of bodybuilders are probably right that if someone's sole goal is hypertrophy and overall size then depending on their body type and limb lengths they might be better served by not squatting, deadlifting etc and instead find movements that allow them to really train particular muscles in a meaningful, heavy way, with proper mind-muscle connection. Leg presses, hack squat, leg extension, leg curl and calf raises have developed a lot of big legs for people who may or may not also use a barbell.

    With regards to the comments about deadlifting and the risk-reward ratio... Yeah, I personally don't buy into this idea but to be honest if I could never deadlift off the floor again and I could only do RDL, stiff legged deadlift, leg curl etc. and various exercises for back thickness then I doubt I'd lose any size (if that was the only concern).

    As for leg press versus squat... Again, wouldn't be for me, I see no reason it is either / or.

    I guess finally what I will say is that if there is a focus on hypertrophy / size then maybe the new conventional wisdom that compound barbell movements are the be-all and end-all have become the "bro science" of today. And I say that as a mainly barbell guy. So many people with poor leverages will be doing high bar squats or front squats until the cows come home thinking they are building their quads when really the machines they like to laugh at, like the leg extension, might be just what they need a little of...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,771 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    Met a polish guy today who was just back from underground gym :D secret knock job , anyways we got chatting about fitness and stuff he used to be a personal trainer in Poland .
    In summary
    He reckons you can't get big or muscular at home with a barbell and dumbells you need machines , loads of machine to isolate muscles lift really heavy and eat 6 chicken breasts a day .
    Don't do deadlifts at all - risk/reward with injury is just not worth it .
    Don't squat - use leg press machine .
    Basically without machines you'll never progress and only lift 3 days a week .
    Is that all bro science or has he a point . I don't necessarily want to get big but is it possible to make the same gains at home as someone in gym , if you have barbell and dumbells ?

    Was his name Dom?

    Did he mention reps for Jesus?


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    frosty123 wrote: »
    my GP wrote down "hypertension", I said that sounds bad could you write down above average blood pressure instead...he said NO! "I'm using the medical term" was he a bit mean? I mean the job application could hinge on this...


    late to the thread, why what's your blood pressure?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    frosty123 wrote: »
    What time of the day is your blood pressure at it's lowest?

    it's supposed to be lower early in the day but it can fluctuate anytime.
    Spinach and beetroot have nitrates in them, which relaxes blood vessels and smooth muscle tissue. This is why people use amyl nitrate for anal sex, the sphincter totally relaxes.

    this sounds mental on a gym training thread I know..anyway the affects of taking beetroot and spinach can last for 6 hours in terms of dropping your systolic blood pressure anyway and taken a few days a week, can help pull it back as long as you eat the stuff of nitrates...

    worth a shot. and yes no coffee, tons of water and relax, through the nose at all time as you breathe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭frosty123


    rusty cole wrote: »
    late to the thread, why what's your blood pressure?

    155/80 ish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭new2tri19


    Was his name Dom?

    Did he mention reps for Jesus?

    No he was funny guy though , he says most Irish guys are just fat they don't know how to train they have 10kg dumbells and do 20 reps , you need a bit f@#king weight that you can only lift 3 times .
    I showed him my failed squat video :D he wasn't impressed " too slow " too lazy , no loud music, standing around too long , just f@&king do it .
    Then he says " you married yeah " what do you do if you walk down street with wife and a man takes her off you ? Not much if you can't squat 95kg :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,771 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    new2tri19 wrote: »
    No he was funny guy though , he says most Irish guys are just fat they don't know how to train they have 10kg dumbells and do 20 reps , you need a bit f@#king weight that you can only lift 3 times .
    I showed him my failed squat video :D he wasn't impressed " too slow " too lazy , no loud music, standing around too long , just f@&king do it .
    Then he says " you married yeah " what do you do if you walk down street with wife and a man takes her off you ? Not much if you can't squat 95kg :D

    Sounds like a twat.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    frosty123 wrote: »
    155/80 ish

    I’m warning here: no medical advice. These are questions for a doctor

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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    Brian? wrote: »
    I’m warning here: no medical advice. These are questions for a doctor

    c'mon nobody is giving medical advice, or dispensing medicine, it's a question about blood pressure not a "what can I take for my blood pressure" going forward.

    but that was my one and only contribution on that level to be fair ok.

    separately to this and on track, is the "sleeper stretch" good or bad for the shoulder?? question to the floor


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    rusty cole wrote: »
    c'mon nobody is giving medical advice, or dispensing medicine, it's a question about blood pressure not a "what can I take for my blood pressure" going forward.

    but that was my one and only contribution on that level to be fair ok.

    separately to this and on track, is the "sleeper stretch" good or bad for the shoulder?? question to the floor

    please don't argue with moderation I'm the thread. Any further comments or questions, PM me.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    there is a guy Brignole who promotes not focusing on big lifts , I dont know what exactly he promotes but I'd guess he would be into something like a weighted sissy squat but much lower weights than a conventional back squat?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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