Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

TomSweeney · 25-05-2021 08:04PM

Tazz T wrote: »

With all the wildly differing commentary right now we're not going to know for sure anything til Friday and even then it'll be half-assed. I can see the 2k fine for non-essential being extended to the beginning of July. After that it doesn't really matter about the cert (as long as you're prepared to pay for PCRs).

But the PCR tests, are they planning on continuing this nonsense for vaccinated travellers ?

VG31 · 25-05-2021 08:05PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

But the PCR tests, are they planning on continuing this nonsense for vaccinated travellers ?

See my post just above, it would appear not.

I remember seeing a report last week that you would only need 1 vaccine dose for the EU green cert. Is this confirmed? Does anyone know if Switzerland is included? I would imagine so since they're in Schengen although I haven't seen any mention of it.

Foxtrol · 25-05-2021 09:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Delta have just canned all their Ireland USA flights for the forseeable future. Pain in the a**. Heading over in July and have to re-book them all now through a European hub and add hours to the trip

Unless it is a political maneuver to put pressure on the government, this is terrible news for connectivity. Not easy to get those direct connections back once they are gone. Same for all the other airlines who are running at limited direct flights to Ireland.

Happydays2020 · 25-05-2021 09:27PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Unless it is a political maneuver to put pressure on the government, this is terrible news for connectivity. Not easy to get those direct connections back once they are gone. Same for all the other airlines who are running at limited direct flights to Ireland.

All those will be harmful for investment, jobs and tourism. Short sighted given that we will be nearly fully vaccinated in 6 weeks.

Wallander · 25-05-2021 09:31PM

Looks like there may be a bit more movement from the EU against travel restrictions (no details yet). De Croo is Belgium's PM:

https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1397264442690256899

Mark1916 · 25-05-2021 09:52PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1397308221015142408?s=21

“Within a week of launch” well this is a positive!

Feria40 · 25-05-2021 09:55PM

Mark1916 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1397308221015142408?s=21

“Within a week of launch” well this is a positive!

Jesus and by a government politician on Prime Time. He'll be getting a rap on the knuckles for that

Clearly I hope he is correct of course

Foxtrol · 25-05-2021 09:55PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

All those will be harmful for investment, jobs and tourism. Short sighted given that we will be nearly fully vaccinated in 6 weeks.

Especially short sighted if the delay from the government from laying out a roadmap was unnecessary government posturing to get people to staycation or holding off until the optics were better to provide a timeline to open up for foreign travel.

25-05-2021 10:21PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Unless it is a political maneuver to put pressure on the government, this is terrible news for connectivity. Not easy to get those direct connections back once they are gone. Same for all the other airlines who are running at limited direct flights to Ireland.

Yes, it’s doubled my journey time. Have to go through Amsterdam now.....nothing quite lifts the soul like a 2 hour flight in the opposite direction to where you want to go

jellies · 25-05-2021 10:31PM

Some positive noises on lifting travel restrictions from the states. This would be great news.

Reuters.com

"The administration has been holding extensive meetings about relaxing some of those travel restrictions, officials have told Reuters, but made no decisions.

Industry officials think Biden could lift restriction on the United Kingdom and Ireland as soon as early June. COVID-19 cases in both countries have declined.

Roger Dow, president and CEO of the U.S. Travel Association, told Reuters "the UK is the furthest along. Our belief is, if we can open UK, the rest follows."

Airlines are also pressing for reopening international markets, which are among their most profitable flights. United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and American Airlines are preparing for a lifting of European travel restrictions this summer.

"We need to open up international markets," Nick Calio, who heads industry trade group Airlines for America, said at the event.
"

brickster69 · 26-05-2021 06:30AM

Ryanair starting to move planes out of Ireland.

https://gript.ie/oleary-ryanair-could-move-to-uk-over-irish-covid-restrictions/

gozunda · 26-05-2021 07:08AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Ryanair starting to move planes out of Ireland.

https://gript.ie/oleary-ryanair-could-move-to-uk-over-irish-covid-restrictions/

If there's one things I’ve learned is that Mr Ryan only interest is bums on seats and looking after himself.

If he said water was wet I'd do a double check that to make sure.

I find the threat that he'll move lock stock and barrel to the UK etc etc interesting considering the criticism he's been leveling at the UK over its own travel restrictions and government policy and pushing sales despite regardless

https://www.aerospace-technology.com/comment/travel-amber-list-not-encouraged/

ionnn · 26-05-2021 07:13AM

gozunda wrote: »

If there's one things I’ve learned is that Mr Ryan only interest is bums on seats and looking after himself.

If he said water was wet I'd do a double check that to make sure.

I think that’s the entire point though is it not? These companies care about their shareholders above all else, and if we continue down this road they will make the business decisions that will least impact them, but cause huge damage to our economy long term.

Always going to be a level of risk in life, but we have to be pragmatic and logical with our risk tolerance and management when it comes to government policy, it can’t be the status quo today where any public health risk regardless of how small is enough to justify destroying an entire industries future here, not to mention long term damage to foreign direct investment which Ireland depends

Mantus · 26-05-2021 07:14AM

gozunda wrote: »

If there's one things I’ve learned is that Mr Ryan only interest is bums on seats and looking after himself.

If he said water was wet I'd do a double check that to make sure.

At least he is consistent unlike our flip flop politicians

kilns · 26-05-2021 07:15AM

VG31 wrote: »

See my post just above, it would appear not.

I remember seeing a report last week that you would only need 1 vaccine dose for the EU green cert. Is this confirmed? Does anyone know if Switzerland is included? I would imagine so since they're in Schengen although I haven't seen any mention of it.

Here in Switzerland, it has not been fully agreed yet but they will be 100% part of the EU system as soon as it kicks off. The certificate will be produced from June 7. The certificate here will also be used for other things in Switzerland, they have 3 levels of events, which the level 3 events being things like indoor concerts and and you will need to produce your code to gain entry to prove your vaccination status. Level 1 is what is currently open, like shops and indoor dining etc where you wont need to produce any code.

Happydays2020 · 26-05-2021 07:18AM

Mantus wrote: »

At least he is consistent unlike our flip flop politicians

He is in business and has been very successful. On balance through employment and tax revenues and tourism and consumer choice Ireland has benefitted from Ryanair.

But don’t worry the people who called for MHQ will be the same ones giving out about the unemployment situation and increased fares.

gozunda · 26-05-2021 07:41AM

Mantus wrote: »

At least he is consistent unlike our flip flop politicians

Haha - you reckon :pac:

He's flip flopped more ofter than fish on a hot pavement.

Not long ago he was making all kinds of dire threats about the UK if Brexit went ahead and now he's back in love with Boris because travel restrictions are being rolled back despite slaming the UK for its restrictions to date

That said seemed happy enough implementing pay cuts and accessing government support schemes, including those here and in the UK.

Mantus · 26-05-2021 07:54AM

gozunda wrote: »

Haha - you reckon :pac:

He's flip flopped more ofter than fish on a hot pavement.

Not long ago he was making all kinds of dire threats about the UK if Brexit went ahead and now he's back in love with Boris because travel restrictions are being rolled back despite slaming the UK for its restrictions to date

He gets a bad rep, and honestly a lot of it is deserved. But we’re an island and our economy needs his cheap flights, Ireland would be a poorer place without Ryanair.

Mantus · 26-05-2021 07:59AM

gozunda wrote: »

That said seemed happy enough implementing pay cuts and accessing government support schemes, including those here and in the UK.

Ryanair took PUP or EWSS, but every business that was closed did, only alternative was to fire staff.

Ryanair is one of the only airlines in Europe not to take a bail out. They took at loan from the UK government which was open to all businesses, no special treatment

gozunda · 26-05-2021 08:03AM

Mantus wrote: »

He gets a bad rep, and honestly a lot of it is deserved. But we’re an island and our economy needs his cheap flights, Ireland would be a poorer place without Ryanair.

I agree. Atm he's threatening Ireland with moving to the UK over travel restrictions. Previously he was threatening the UK that he would relocate to the EU over brexit if it went ahead.

https://www.giambronelaw.com/site/news-articles-press/giambrone-brexit/ryanair-suspends-flights-brexit/

But he comes out with this rubbish on a regular basis because he knows headlines and column inches even mean more sales - even to places people can't travel to atm.

https://www.aerospace-technology.com/comment/travel-amber-list-not-encouraged/

Mantus · 26-05-2021 08:11AM

gozunda wrote: »

But he comes out with this rubbish on a regular basis because he knows headlines and column inches even mean more sales

I don’t disagree, he shoots from the hip.

But he threatened revenue before about reflagging planes if they didn’t fix a double taxation problem with crew. Revenue call his bluff and he moved all the planes to Malta, lots of tax lost in that move.

So yea he’s a bit of a maveric, but calling his bluff and getting it wrong is bad for this island.

TomSweeney · 26-05-2021 08:12AM

How much are fares expected to rise by ?
are we talking doubling trebling ? or just adding a few % ... I know I know how long is a piece of string and all ...

gozunda · 26-05-2021 08:16AM

Mantus wrote: »

Ryanair took PUP or EWSS, but every business that was closed did, only alternative was to fire staff.

Ryanair is one of the only airlines in Europe not to take a bail out. They took at loan from the UK government which was open to all businesses, no special treatment

They did indeed.. But then every other business hasn't been screaming that they're going to throw the toys out of the pram if they don't get they want ASAP.

As for bailouts. I think the issue was that Ryanair as a non state airline didn't qualify and has been waging a war and legal challenges especially in those countries where there's competition

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/14/european-court-of-justice-rules-against-ryanair-over-airlines-covid-bailouts

https://fortune.com/2021/05/19/ryanair-legal-victories-fight-against-europe-airline-bailouts/

According to Ryanair, it was unfair and illegal for European governments to grant aid to their national flag carriers—in many cases a source of national pride as well as being economically important—but not to other airlines that also contribute to their economies.

faceman · 26-05-2021 08:24AM

gozunda wrote: »

If there's one things I’ve learned is that Mr Ryan only interest is bums on seats and looking after himself.

If he said water was wet I'd do a double check that to make sure.

I find the threat that he'll move lock stock and barrel to the UK etc etc interesting considering the criticism he's been leveling at the UK over its own travel restrictions and government policy and pushing sales despite regardless

https://www.aerospace-technology.com/comment/travel-amber-list-not-encouraged/

It’s Mr. O’Leary not Mr. Ryan

He’s a business man not head of charity, of course he’s interested in the bottom line.

He won’t relocate the business to the U.K. but he is and has already located plane to other countries. Spain has 3 new domestic flights that were launched this year for example.

That being said, Ryanair have increased capacity on some Irish router from June. The Alicante Dublin route for example has been once a week up to now but jumps to 4 flights a week in June. (Pre covid it was daily with twice daily during the summer)

In the absence of a reopening plan, businesses have been forced to rethink their models. International business will just move where customers are.

Aer Lingus have been doing the same. They’ve been a little quieter about it until recently because they receive state supports but obviously they’re losing so much cash that IAG need to move on.

Another poster has already mentioned Delta have stopped flying to Ireland.

We’re a tiny insignificant island on the Atlantic. Above any other European country we need air connectivity

Mantus · 26-05-2021 08:27AM

gozunda wrote: »

They did indeed.. But then every other business hasn't been screaming that their going to throw the toys out of the pram if they don't get they want ASAP.

Restaurant and pub owners don’t have the option of moving their pubs to Belfast. Like Ryanair or not they are a big employer and at a whim can reduce their fleet and fire employees.

There is a vacuum created with the collapse of Norwegian, Irish planes could be moved onto those routes.

gozunda · 26-05-2021 08:35AM

faceman wrote: »

It’s Mr. O’Leary not Mr. Ryan

He’s a business man not head of charity, of course he’s interested in the bottom line.

He won’t relocate the business to the U.K. but he is and has already located plane to other countries. Spain has 3 new domestic flights that were launched this year for example.

That being said, Ryanair have increased capacity on some Irish router from June. The Alicante Dublin route for example has been once a week up to now but jumps to 4 flights a week in June. (Pre covid it was daily with twice daily during the summer)

In the absence of a reopening plan, businesses have been forced to rethink their models. International business will just move where customers are.

Aer Lingus have been doing the same. They’ve been a little quieter about it until recently because they receive state supports but obviously they’re losing so much cash that IAG need to move on.

Another poster has already mentioned Delta have stopped flying to Ireland.

We’re a tiny insignificant island on the Atlantic. Above any other European country we need air connectivity

I know

That was just a literal device lol. But as to the original point - most of whats said is hot air and the usual spoofing tbf. And yet still makes headlines

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mantus · 26-05-2021 08:42AM

Ireland to end two week quarantine for UK visitors, tourism Ireland to start advertising vacations in Ireland from Britain.

Claiming the UK flight will not have to quarantine from the end of this week:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ireland-quarantine-uk-travel-end-b937045.html

Any truth to that?

stephenjmcd · 26-05-2021 08:48AM

Mantus wrote: »

Ireland to end two week quarantine for UK visitors, tourism Ireland to start advertising vacations in Ireland from Britain.

Claiming the UK flight will not have to quarantine from the end of this week:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ireland-quarantine-uk-travel-end-b937045.html

Any truth to that?

your guess is as good as anyone else.

I'd tend to give a large pinch of salt to any reports that come from the UK regarding Ireland

gozunda · 26-05-2021 09:07AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

your guess is as good as anyone else.

I'd tend to give a large pinch of salt to any reports that come from the UK regarding Ireland

This. Bit like the media story which ran in the UK back in March about plans to supply Ireland with 3.7 million doses of Covid-19 vaccines, which then grew legs and was being reported here as fact

kilns · 26-05-2021 09:11AM

Mantus wrote: »

Ireland to end two week quarantine for UK visitors, tourism Ireland to start advertising vacations in Ireland from Britain.

Claiming the UK flight will not have to quarantine from the end of this week:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ireland-quarantine-uk-travel-end-b937045.html

Any truth to that?

The Daily Mail ran with that story yesterday also

If it were the case, all this talk about the worries of the Indian variant will make them look like fools

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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