Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Stormyteacup · 25-05-2021 09:26AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Not really bothered about the 105 min pub rule apart from the fact it seems unworkable and just another restriction that potentially has the opposite effect of the one intended i.e. people either moving around, mixing more or heading back to house parties where the risks of infection spread are well accepted to be higher.

Headline in the Journal this morning outlines where the real damage to society going forward is-

https://www.thejournal.ie/oncology-cacner-disruption-covid-5446942-May2021/

It doesn’t even speculate on the financial issues which are going to affect such services.

This is sad to read. Hope that the fact so much money was easily accessed during crisis might force a change in thinking, both in short term recruitment and retention, and in longer term structural overhaul.

alentejo · 25-05-2021 09:26AM

If there is a 105m time limit for indoor hospitality- this needs to be reviewed very quickly there after. In July, I expect vaccinations to be ramped up with a majority of adults having being fully vaccinated. So in August, this rule should be ditched esp if Euro travel is allowed.

25-05-2021 09:41AM

Time limits without the mandatory food rule, so encouraging pub crawls? Genius stuff really. Its all in the science.

25-05-2021 09:45AM

A typical Irish "solution", that something - anything, no matter how ridiculous - needs to be seen to be done rather than leaving things be.

Another regulation, another rule - all of which are pointless and bound to eventuate to far more complications and social interaction. 105 minutes, Jesus...

Totally and utterly stupid, but nonetheless entirely predictable from those who simply love to be seeing to do something.

Classic Ireland; the same backward attitude when it comes to planning and construction, and just about everything else.

Delay, regulate, ban, block, regulate - "just do something"-kind of stupid attitude.

25-05-2021 09:48AM

AdamD wrote: »

Time limits without the mandatory food rule, so encouraging pub crawls? Genius stuff really. Its all in the science.

Does it need to be repeated 1000 times. This is a proposal from the Industry and Failte Ireland

Widescreen · 25-05-2021 09:52AM

folks, anyone speculate on what way smoking will work out when all this "outdoor dining" starts.

If you are dining outside I assume that means people will be able to smoke at their tables?

I hope not, as that will rule many people out of the outdoor dining experience due to passive smoke inhalation which doesn't do asthma and other chronic chest/lung problems any good.

DellyBelly · 25-05-2021 09:53AM

Is the 105 minute rule only for dining? Will wet pubs be allowed to open as well but have the 105 minute rule as well?

Marty Bird · 25-05-2021 09:56AM

Graham wrote: »

Certainly doesn't tally with what's happening in Limerick right now.

Any underlying conditions or overweight ?

mikeorange · 25-05-2021 09:58AM

Widescreen wrote: »

folks, anyone speculate on what way smoking will work out when all this "outdoor dining" starts.

If you are dining outside I assume that means people will be able to smoke at their tables?

I hope not, as that will rule many people out of the outdoor dining experience due to passive smoke inhalation which doesn't do asthma and other chronic chest/lung problems any good.

Yeah smoking will be allowed

Not a chance I'll do outdoor dining for that alone

2m away from someone with that disgusting habit

25-05-2021 10:02AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Is the 105 minute rule only for dining? Will wet pubs be allowed to open as well but have the 105 minute rule as well?

THe proposed Failte Ireland guidelines are going to cabinet this week and may or may not at that point become a rule. The guidelines will apply to both dining and drinking only establishments. If they are only guidelines, premises can reasonably choose to justify not following them.

For example last summer, there was no time limit applied where 2m distance could be maintained.

thebronze14 · 25-05-2021 10:13AM

Penfailed wrote: »

The mica redress protest. There were gatherings in Buncrana and Letterkenny.

Good stuff....Glad to see a good turnout in what must be a horrible issue for so many back home.

Sobit1964 · 25-05-2021 10:27AM

Why 105 minutes - why not 99 or 97.5 minutes?

M_Murphy57 · 25-05-2021 10:30AM

mikeorange wrote: »

Yeah smoking will be allowed

Not a chance I'll do outdoor dining for that alone

2m away from someone with that disgusting habit

I hate smoking anyway but I never understood how during covid people could pull smoke down into their lungs then expel it with force all over an entire outdoor dining area.

But not once ever has any of the regulations insisting we dine outdoors included even a peep about disallowing smoking where outdoor dining happens.

Suppose govt need the taxes from smoking so (like all non covid deaths including from lung cancer) it didnt matter to them.

Follow the science.

bear1 · 25-05-2021 10:39AM

It's a good thing Ireland has Italian summers which makes outdoor a very pleasant experience.

Boggles · 25-05-2021 10:42AM

Wow we are gone to 11 on the contrary meter.

Going to pubs or restaurants will not be mandatory, indoors or outdoors.

There will not be a shortage of people to take your place.

Gael23 · 25-05-2021 10:46AM

Rules like this just fuel house parties

25-05-2021 10:49AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Why 105 minutes - why not 99 or 97.5 minutes?

Because it allows establishments to plan their service in 2 hour blocks. 15 minutes to herd the previous sitting out and clear tables prior to the next setting.
Nothing to do with science, all to do with how hospitality runs

mikeorange · 25-05-2021 10:56AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

I hate smoking anyway but I never understood how during covid people could pull smoke down into their lungs then expel it with force all over an entire outdoor dining area.

But not once ever has any of the regulations insisting we dine outdoors included even a peep about disallowing smoking where outdoor dining happens.

Suppose govt need the taxes from smoking so (like all non covid deaths including from lung cancer) it didnt matter to them.

Follow the science.

Exactly, makes no sense, but follow the science sure :pac:

Especially when Covid infects the exact same way as passive smoking. It lingers in the air, over time, it won’t matter where you are, the smoke will be everywhere and the 2m rule is thus rubbish science.

darem93 · 25-05-2021 11:06AM

The North opened yesterday as normal, none of these stupid time limits or whatever.

Can they not just leave things be and stop making up these ridiculous rules? :rolleyes:

robbiezero · 25-05-2021 11:19AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Why 105 minutes - why not 99 or 97.5 minutes?

I wouldn't read much into it. Its just the industry itself promising any old ****e to try and persuade the worlds slowest donkeys to open up ta f**k.
They know well it will only be implemented where it actually suits from a business sense and completely ignored anywhere it doesn't.

A largely vaccinated or young general public isn't going to have much time for nonsense crap once we ever so slowly do open up.

Charles Babbage · 25-05-2021 11:19AM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

It's going to be a repeat of what happened last summer. Pubs will play musical chairs with customers

"Right lads, I need that table for 6 o clock, will yis sit over there. Yis can have it back at half 7"

It happened in my place and every other pub I know

What is missing is a proper inspection regime.
Perhaps require pubs to have a webcam so that someone centrally can review what they are at, then send the inspectors to the delinquents.

Whatsisname · 25-05-2021 11:25AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

What is missing is a proper inspection regime.
Perhaps require pubs to have a webcam so that someone centrally can review what they are at, then send the inspectors to the delinquents.

Almost as ridiculous as your suggestion to electronically tag people.

mikeorange · 25-05-2021 11:30AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Almost as ridiculous as your suggestion to electronically tag people.

With fully vaccinated people still having to self isolate for 14 days after being exposed to a Covid infected person

I wouldn't be suprised at all if wrists tags that notified you when you were within 2m of someone for more 15 minutes that had Covid was introduced.

Better a tag than 2 weeks at home

charlie14 · 25-05-2021 11:33AM

Klonker wrote: »

France and Germany had to do 'an about turn' yet are still on course to reopen quicker than us. Funny that.

England had outdoor dining opened at this stage in their vaccination and we don't. They now have indoor dining open and we look on plan to open ours 2 months later when we'll have a lot more vaccinated at that stage. So no doesn't sound like we're following the UK. Also the UK had the luxury of a slower reopening because of their quick vaccine rollout that the rest of Europe didn't.

I doubt the French or German public say the humour in both authorities getting it wrong and having curfews and restrictions restored due to it.
It is funny that some are now hailing both France and Germany as the countries to follow while ignoring they messed up just last month.

England did not have outdoor dining opened at this stage of our level of vaccination. We will not be at that level (perhaps even slightly lower), until June 7th. when we will be doing so.
Neither did the UK have the luxury of a slower reopening because of their quick vaccine rollout. They had a quicker reopening due of the amount of vaccine they received from a company who reneged on other contracts to supply the UK.

Whatsisname · 25-05-2021 11:35AM

mikeorange wrote: »

With fully vaccinated people still having to self isolate for 14 days after being exposed to a Covid infected person

I wouldn't be suprised at all if wrists tags that notified you when you were within 2m of someone for more 15 minutes that had Covid was introduced.

Better a tag than 2 weeks at home

A fully vaccinated person having to self isolate for 14 days is equally as unnecessary and bizarre as electronically tagging people.

OwenM · 25-05-2021 11:39AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

What is missing is a proper inspection regime.
Perhaps require pubs to have a webcam so that someone centrally can review what they are at, then send the inspectors to the delinquents.

Yes, but we need everyone in the pubs to wear a stopwatch so we can see on the camera how long they have been there. We should really get a Garda at the entrance to each pub to make sure the stopwatches are started as soon as people walk in the door though.

This is going to be expensive but so worth it to be safe.....

suicide_circus · 25-05-2021 11:44AM

OwenM wrote: »

Yes, but we need everyone in the pubs to wear a stopwatch so we can see on the camera how long they have been there. We should really get a Garda at the entrance to each pub to make sure the stopwatches are started as soon as people walk in the door though.

This is going to be expensive but so worth it to be safe.....

Can we get giant Flavor Flav type clocks to hang around people's necks?

Boggles · 25-05-2021 11:46AM

mikeorange wrote: »

With fully vaccinated people still having to self isolate for 14 days after being exposed to a Covid infected person

They don't.

But carry on.

OwenM · 25-05-2021 11:47AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Can we get giant Flavor Flav type clocks to hang around people's necks?

You read my mind.....

25-05-2021 11:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Does it need to be repeated 1000 times. This is a proposal from the Industry and Failte Ireland

And its being reported in all of the media as likely to be implemented.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings