Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 25-05-2021 12:53AM

Stevek101 wrote: »

Figure seems behind as it's entire population not adult. Started to use adult population here to make the numbers look better when we started to slip behind everyone else.

Germany's figures look wrong as well?

Edit I think they're adding those who have had first doses of vaccines with those who have had first and second. But not for all countries?

charlie14 · 25-05-2021 12:58AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Ireland’s figure for vaccines is 10 days behind on that graphic compared to every other country no? that’s the total on the 11th of May, the last day an official total was released here.

We’re on par with almost all Euro countries in terms of vaccines doses per 100 population, it just hasn’t been updated yet due to the hack.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

We are probably ahead of most countries actually going on the above, we hit 2 million on 13th of May. We’ve been doing over 35 thousand vaccines a day since then. That leaves us on ~2,500,000 tonight. With a population of 4.9 million that’s 51 doses per 100 population and leaves us high up that list just behind Germany.

A lot of those countries behind us are opening up/opened now too which makes our dithering even more bizarre. It makes no sense that we will continue to have heavy restrictions for another 6/7 summer weeks. We need an explanation for this if this is the decision on Friday.

We are better off with vaccines than a lot of the Euro countries but are weeks and weeks behind in terms of restrictions. Are their leaders being reckless? Is Ireland a special case and does the virus act differently here? Does it have disdain for the Irish and our weather? Answers are needed.

Well both Germany and France were a bit reckless in their earlier attempt based on vaccine levels and had to do an about turn.

Personally I find it a bit of a no-brainer in relation to vaccine levels and opening up. The only country that have known data on the safe stages of opening and vaccine levels is the U.K. and that is what we are following.

Klonker · 25-05-2021 01:17AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Well both Germany and France were a bit reckless in their earlier attempt based on vaccine levels and had to do an about turn.

Personally I find it a bit of a no-brainer in relation to vaccine levels and opening up. The only country that have known data on the safe stages of opening and vaccine levels is the U.K. and that is what we are following.

France and Germany had to do 'an about turn' yet are still on course to reopen quicker than us. Funny that.

England had outdoor dining opened at this stage in their vaccination and we don't. They now have indoor dining open and we look on plan to open ours 2 months later when we'll have a lot more vaccinated at that stage. So no doesn't sound like we're following the UK. Also the UK had the luxury of a slower reopening because of their quick vaccine rollout that the rest of Europe didn't.

Lumen · 25-05-2021 01:17AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We are probably ahead of most countries actually going on the above, we hit 2 million on 13th of May. We’ve been doing over 35 thousand vaccines a day since then. That leaves us on ~2,500,000 tonight. With a population of 4.9 million that’s 51 doses per 100 population and leaves us high up that list just behind Germany.

Donnelly reported 2.2m on 21 May so 2.3m looks more likely. With 5m pop that's 46 doses per 100.

UDAWINNER · 25-05-2021 01:37AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET wont take the gamble and MM is to scared to make a decision

Laughing stock of Europe we are

Good to see the Irish Inferiority complex is alive and well. other countries have bigger things to worry about than the damn Irish

Rayne Wooney · 25-05-2021 02:22AM

Lumen wrote: »

Donnelly reported 2.2m on 21 May so 2.3m looks more likely. With 5m pop that's 46 doses per 100.

I can’t find where he said that, it seems impossible, the minister is getting his sums wrong if he said that. 200,000 vaccinations in 8 days is 25 thousand per day and we haven’t been that low since April, unless they stopped vaccinations for days without telling us.

On the week up to 10th May we did 37 thousand per day and our output has increased since then. Paul Reid said 42 thousand per day this week.

Even if we go with your impossibly low estimate, we are still ahead of 13 of the 27 EU countries, and I’d be confident that we are actually in the top 5/6 when the real data is released.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/total-covid-spend-hse-hospitalisations-fall-5434925-May2021/%3famp=1

Rayne Wooney · 25-05-2021 02:38AM

charlie14 wrote: »

Well both Germany and France were a bit reckless in their earlier attempt based on vaccine levels and had to do an about turn.

Personally I find it a bit of a no-brainer in relation to vaccine levels and opening up. The only country that have known data on the safe stages of opening and vaccine levels is the U.K. and that is what we are following.

I don’t know what happened in France (who are opening indoor in a few weeks?), but Germany tried to ease restrictions when their doses per 100 of their population was at 12 or thereabouts if I remember correctly, which was insane.

If we are talking about risk/reward that’s the equivalent of betting on a white Irish sprinter to win the 100 metre gold at this years Olympics. What I’m talking about is removing restrictions in 5 weeks on the 28th of June when our doses per 100 of our population will likely be at 70+. That is the equivalent of betting on Usain Bolt to beat my grandmother in a 100 metre sprint to be honest. What can go wrong?

The government are being insanely cautious here if the announcement on Friday goes as expected. It genuinely looks like we will be the last or one of the last countries in Europe to allow sitting inside a restaurant for example.

If we set the target date for the 21st/28th business owners across the country will be somewhat at ease. We have a month to see how things go across the sea, if things go badly over there the government can justifiably push the date back, if everything is fine, great we can move forward with reopening and save the country weeks of lost business.

I have a feeling we’ll all be sitting here mid June thinking why on earth are we still subjected to restrictions - when tens of thousands are going to England and beyond to sit in restaurants, go to pubs/sporting events and the come back here anyway.

Lumen · 25-05-2021 05:47AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I can’t find where he said that

Facebook.

km79 · 25-05-2021 07:06AM

105 minute limit for indoor dining and pubs
LOL
Where’s the science for that arbitrary figure !
Pubs won’t enforce that

giveitholly · 25-05-2021 07:13AM

km79 wrote: »

105 minute limit for indoor dining and pubs
LOL
Where’s the science for that arbitrary figure !
Pubs won’t enforce that

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1397062180420341760?s=19

Yeah we all have to be on our best behaviour and only allowed 105 mins in the pub. Some chance of business' enforcing that!!

Vicxas · 25-05-2021 07:26AM

giveitholly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1397062180420341760?s=19

Yeah we all have to be on our best behaviour and only allowed 105 mins in the pub. Some chance of business' enforcing that!!

No hope. They weren't even enforcing the 90 mins last year

km79 · 25-05-2021 07:33AM

Sure all that will do on big cities is encourage pub crawls and increase the number of close contacts !
I actually suspect it’s the businesses themselves who want it as it’s in the Fáilte ireland proposals .....lower capacity so they want to increase number of people coming and going. Don’t want auld lads nursing a pint for two hours I seen a few places online getting criticized last week for having it in place for outdoor dining without being told to do so
They were being called greedy etc

I would question whether some may have actually called for this and it’s not coming from NPHET

leahyl · 25-05-2021 07:41AM

This is just a very long bad dream at this stage.

stephenjmcd · 25-05-2021 07:51AM

giveitholly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1397062180420341760?s=19

Yeah we all have to be on our best behaviour and only allowed 105 mins in the pub. Some chance of business' enforcing that!!

Don't suspect that'll last long once they open.

Now there will be businesses putting their own time limit on. My own local are going with 2hrs 30 mins, purely to keep tables turning over & it makes business sense with reduced capacity

25-05-2021 07:55AM

km79 wrote: »

105 minute limit for indoor dining and pubs
LOL
Where’s the science for that arbitrary figure !
Pubs won’t enforce that

They have been drawn up by Fáilte Ireland ahead of Friday's Cabinet meeting

Last time I checked Fáilte Ireland weren't staffed by scientists.

Wont stop the usual pile on blaming NPHET #Science

km79 · 25-05-2021 08:15AM

So if a pub has outdoor and indoor seating
You can stay drinking outside all day but 105 minutes inside
I assume some kind of a barrier door rolls down to prevent the chosen ones outside running in when it runs LOL

God we make everything so complicated

bear1 · 25-05-2021 08:18AM

And yet again.
You'll see posters now believe this is a good thing.
What a gob****e govt.

Boggles · 25-05-2021 08:21AM

bear1 wrote: »

And yet again.
You'll see posters now believe this is a good thing.
What a gob****e govt.

It's a good thing for the industry, they wanted it.

25-05-2021 08:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's a good thing for the industry, they wanted it.

Dont ever let facts get in the way of a good rant

FlubberJones · 25-05-2021 08:31AM

In pubs on their own it will cause people to be moving inside and outside.... Then back inside

In cities it will simply cause people to move from one pub to another for 105 minutes.

It's going to compound things rather than improve....

Another laughable solution in Ireland

Sweet.Science · 25-05-2021 08:40AM

If there is a booking system then businesses need a set time for it to work

How can they do bookings if they don't know how long someone will be on a table for

25-05-2021 08:45AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

In pubs on their own it will cause people to be moving inside and outside.... Then back inside

In cities it will simply cause people to move from one pub to another for 105 minutes.

It's going to compound things rather than improve....

Another laughable solution in Ireland

Once again, it has been proposed by the industry and failte ireland

Stormyteacup · 25-05-2021 08:47AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

In pubs on their own it will cause people to be moving inside and outside.... Then back inside

In cities it will simply cause people to move from one pub to another for 105 minutes.

It's going to compound things rather than improve....

Another laughable solution in Ireland

Or the other trick from last time where people made reservations in one restaurant and another reservation for a different restaurant 2 hours later. Ordering minimum food each time - and if restaurant one didn’t make them leave then restaurant two got a no-show.

Doesn’t wash that it’s in the interest of the industry - any establishment can set a time limit on a table if it suited, always could.

daydorunrun · 25-05-2021 08:50AM

Not really bothered about the 105 min pub rule apart from the fact it seems unworkable and just another restriction that potentially has the opposite effect of the one intended i.e. people either moving around, mixing more or heading back to house parties where the risks of infection spread are well accepted to be higher.

Headline in the Journal this morning outlines where the real damage to society going forward is-

https://www.thejournal.ie/oncology-cacner-disruption-covid-5446942-May2021/

It doesn’t even speculate on the financial issues which are going to affect such services.

Boggles · 25-05-2021 08:55AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Or the other trick from last time where people made reservations in one restaurant and another reservation for a different restaurant 2 hours later. Ordering minimum food each time - and if restaurant one didn’t make them leave then restaurant two got a no-show.

Doesn’t wash that it’s in the interest of the industry - any establishment can set a time limit on a table if it suited, always could.

Of course it does, my local last summer cleaned up.

He went from having if he was lucky 2 "Saturday Nights" a month to 5 a week.

It is also worth noting that it flagged by politicians that time limits would be scrapped.

Maybe RTE have jumped the gun, or the industry have got their way.

robbiezero · 25-05-2021 08:56AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Not really bothered about the 105 min pub rule apart from the fact it seems unworkable and just another restriction that potentially has the opposite effect of the one intended i.e. people either moving around, mixing more or heading back to house parties where the risks of infection spread are well accepted to be higher.

Headline in the Journal this morning outlines where the real damage to society going forward is-

https://www.thejournal.ie/oncology-cacner-disruption-covid-5446942-May2021/

It doesn’t even speculate on the financial issues which are going to affect such services.

Like last summer, the sort of place that will enforce a time limit is the sort of place I wouldn't want to spend any more than that time in anyway.
Your normal run of the mill pub certainly won't be turfing people out after a time limit.

Stormyteacup · 25-05-2021 09:08AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

As this appears to be driven by the industry rather than government or NPHET, I think the effect indended is most likely to increase the number of customers.

Driven by the industry is a bit too strong. They are submitting proposals that will give them the best chance to a fastest concrete reopening.

Much like Sport Ireland with, for example, Golf Ireland, proposed reopening guidelines that included an abundance of caution - removing rakes, bins, benches from courses and reducing numbers on course and limiting to members only, with no competition fees or green fees going into golf club coffers.

Proposed by the industry legislators does not equate to best for industry members.

Boggles · 25-05-2021 09:16AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Driven by the industry is a bit too strong. They are submitting proposals that will give them the best chance to a fastest concrete reopening.

Much like Sport Ireland with, for example, Golf Ireland, proposed reopening guidelines that included an abundance of caution - removing rakes, bins, benches from courses and reducing numbers on course and limiting to members only, with no competition fees or green fees going into golf club coffers.

Proposed by the industry legislators does not equate to best for industry members.

Except for the fact that the natural time turnover for restaurants and pubs serving food is excellent for return.

A sentiment echoed by the industry and backed up by reality.

I still have doubts that it will go ahead, I imagine that will not stop individual restaurants doing it though.

fleet_admiral · 25-05-2021 09:22AM

It's going to be a repeat of what happened last summer. Pubs will play musical chairs with customers

"Right lads, I need that table for 6 o clock, will yis sit over there. Yis can have it back at half 7"

It happened in my place and every other pub I know

TomSweeney · 25-05-2021 09:25AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Not really bothered about the 105 min pub rule apart from the fact it seems unworkable and just another restriction that potentially has the opposite effect of the one intended i.e. people either moving around, mixing more or heading back to house parties where the risks of infection spread are well accepted to be higher.

Headline in the Journal this morning outlines where the real damage to society going forward is-

https://www.thejournal.ie/oncology-cacner-disruption-covid-5446942-May2021/

It doesn’t even speculate on the financial issues which are going to affect such services.

That doesn't matter though because these are non covid deaths!!!

Sounds like far right thinking to me.

let's all stay safe and remember FOLLOW THE SCIENCE!!!

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings