Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Richard Hillman

Gormless, pathetic leadership. Pretty much everyone that needs to be vaccinated has been vaccinated by now. And now they want to push restrictions further until 2 months time.

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

Indoor dining pushed back to mid July

How can you say something is pushed back when it never got a date in the first place ??

It was only ever given as sometime in July.

Publicans wanted 1st July, they've essentially been told it wont be the 1st, why ?? Because it's usually 4 weeks between openings. Which will see them open either the week of the 5th or 12th.

I don't like it, nor do I agree with a mid July opening but your wording of pushed back is completely inaccurate

Gael23

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Gormless, pathetic leadership. Pretty much everyone that needs to be vaccinated has been vaccinated by now. And now they want to push restrictions further until 2 months time.

Where did you get 2 months?

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

huh

Some on here like preaching to the choir about how great our willingness to take the vaccine is so high.

Of course it’s a good thing. Perhaps you could point to anywhere I said it was a negative?

However, theorising about the reason our willingness is so high sits uncomfortably with some. I’m unconvinced our high percentage of people willing to take the vaccine is because we are better in any way than other EU nations.

M_Murphy57

Gael23 wrote: »

http://jrnl.ie/5446325f?fbclid=IwAR3w9RDKDGE6vhQsQlyRV3E4twVGuf-QletPQIrrPT1n4OOhHfx022eiNEQ

Hes is such an embarrassingly weak leader, absolutely paralysed over decision making - despite only 100 people in hospital, 2m vaccines done, claiming we will hit 80% "offered" the vaccine by end June (and before you even get to the economic destruction of wasting half the summer with no indoor dining outside hotel stays)

A poll on the journal today shows 75% support indoor dining by july 1st or sooner. If MM can only stomach making popular decisions this seems a no brainer...but no,let's make sure Irish people book stays in the 6 counties instead of putting money in the pockets of irish tax paying businesses and make sure tourists know not to bother coming here at all.

Weak embarrassing leader, and shame on catherine martin as tourism minister for supporting this destruction of hospitality.

I hope FF and the Greens Lose every seat at the next election.

corcaigh07

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Hes is such an embarrassingly weak leader, absolutely paralysed over decision making - despite only 100 people in hospital, 2m vaccines done, claiming we will hit 80% "offered" the vaccine by end June (and before you even get to the economic destruction of wasting half the summer with no indoor dining outside hotel stays)

A poll on the journal today shows 75% support indoor dining by july 1st or sooner. If MM can only stomach making popular decisions this seems a no brainer...but no,let's make sure Irish people book stays in the 6 counties instead of putting money in the pockets of irish tax paying businesses and make sure tourists know not to bother coming here at all.

Weak embarrassing leader, and shame on catherine martin as tourism minister for supporting this destruction of hospitality.

I hope FF and the Greens Lose every seat at the next election.

Don't fall into the trap that FG are not part of this awful government.

Graham

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

A poll on the journal today shows 75% support indoor dining by july 1st or sooner. If MM can only stomach making popular decisions this seems a no brainer.

Personally I'm reassured that our government don't make decisions based on what's popular in a poll published by the journal.

To each their own.

bear1

The funny thing is that a study was done against the new variant and it found the vaccines were around 80% effective against it with astra I believe being the worst with 60 something percent.
Can't see their logic for it.

Stormyteacup

Graham wrote: »

Read my posts again, you have obviously misinterpreted them.

I don't expect there to be lockdowns this winter primarily because of the vaccination program, but yes there may be a slight risk which is why nothing is being rules out/guaranteed however unlikely it's looking.

The ridiculous is the suggestion we'll be seeing flu lockdowns. It's pure conspiracy theory nonsense based on nothing.

Conspiracy to what nefarious purposes? Protecting our shambolic health service? One that may need some extra protection this winter with wait lists at an all time high. Conspiracy indeed.

Once more - I deliberately didn’t suggest lockdown but some of our lesser restrictions, and I did not mention flu.

At least try not to appear to not purposely misrepresent posts.

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Some on here like preaching to the choir about how great our willingness to take the vaccine is so high.

Of course it’s a good thing. Perhaps you could point to anywhere I said it was a negative?

However, theorising about the reason our willingness is so high sits uncomfortably with some. I’m unconvinced our high percentage of people willing to take the vaccine is because we are better in any way than other EU nations.

Well we have firmly established it's not because some vague "bandied" incentives that don't exist and certainly wouldn't be applicable to a poll conducted in the last week if they did.

Sobit1964

Boggles wrote: »

Well we have firmly established it's not because some vague "bandied" incentives that don't exist and certainly wouldn't be applicable to a poll conducted in the last week if they did.

Did I understand correctly that you think the high acceptance rate for the Irish when it comes to the vaccines is due to the population being much better 'educated' about the vaccine vs their continental counterparts?

Was that a point you were making, or did i just misread someone elses inference?

paw patrol

Graham wrote: »

Personally I'm reassured that our government don't make decisions based on what's popular in a poll published by the journal.

To each their own.

if all the vulnerable and over 70s who want the vaccine have it,.
then what is the excuse?
Sure people will catch covid but the people at risk aren't at risk anymore

Open the niteclubs.

Graham

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Conspiracy to what nefarious purposes?

Don't know and to be honest don't care.

Graham

paw patrol wrote: »

if all the vulnerable and over 70s who want the vaccine have it,.
then what is the excuse?

The rest of the population don't..

paw patrol

Graham wrote: »

The rest of the population don't..

but the rest of the population run a minimal risk of serious covid or even hospitalisation.
unless they have issues which would have them in those special cohorts and would have already had the vaccine (if they wanted)

your statement sounds like it's more than just protecting the vulnerable which means there is another agenda....surely not...

just who are you protecting from this killer virus?
if not the groups in society where we see the deaths?

I'm intrigued as to your thoughts

are you a zero covid champion?

Boggles

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Did I understand correctly that you think the high acceptance rate for the Irish when it comes to the vaccines is due to the population being much better 'educated' about the vaccine vs their continental counterparts?

Was that a point you were making, or did i just misread someone elses inference?

Nope. Commentating specially on Ireland and Ireland only.

Our relationship predominately down to education around vaccinations has changed drastically in the mast 20 years, particular child vaccinations.

That's not my just opinion by the way.

You inserted the Vs.

Vaccines hesitancy in other countries would come from a myriad of reasons, but education would be part of it.

Vaccines hesitancy existed before Covid.

charlie14

bear1 wrote: »

The funny thing is that a study was done against the new variant and it found the vaccines were around 80% effective against it with astra I believe being the worst with 60 something percent.
Can't see their logic for it.

After fully vaccinated. Not after I dose.

Boggles

paw patrol wrote: »

but the rest of the population run a minimal risk of serious covid or even hospitalisation.

You are in the vast minority lad, the vast majority of the population will take the vaccine.

Good thing really, eh?

Stormyteacup

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Did I understand correctly that you think the high acceptance rate for the Irish when it comes to the vaccines is due to the population being much better 'educated' about the vaccine vs their continental counterparts?

Was that a point you were making, or did i just misread someone elses inference?

Yes that point was made. In black and white a few posts back. Same poster ironically referred to the digital travel cert as the digital travel vaccination cert - yet insists Irish people were in no way led to believe they were in line for bonuses for getting vaccinated.

Graham

charlie14 wrote: »

After fully vaccinated. Not after I dose.

and after people actually get vaccinated, not before

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

yet insists Irish people were in no way led to believe they were in line for bonuses for getting vaccinated.

Again there is none, poll which states 96% of Irish Adults willing to take the vaccine was conducted in the last week.

The EU are rolling out the vaccine passport to the EU.

Your theory has been blown out of the water.

Accept it and move on.

Silentcorner

paw patrol wrote: »

but the rest of the population run a minimal risk of serious covid or even hospitalisation.
unless they have issues which would have them in those special cohorts and would have already had the vaccine (if they wanted)

your statement sounds like it's more than just protecting the vulnerable which means there is another agenda....surely not...

just who are you protecting from this killer virus?
if not the groups in society where we see the deaths?

I'm intrigued as to your thoughts

are you a zero covid champion?

The only way these continued severe restrictions make any sense is if you forget about all the data that we know...

We know who needs protection this virus. It is only a percentage of us.
We know at this time of the year there is little to no risk to anyone.

There will be clusters, it'll be fine.

We know this from the data...but we've to pretend we don't!

marno21

Borderline disinformation on Today FM atm about the Indian variant. The UK has dismissed it as a threat to the return to normality but the positive news doesn't seem to have reached Irish shores yet. Funny how the concern about the Indian variant made it across the Irish Sea in jig time but the more positive elements of news come much slower.

Lots of industry spokespeople on the radio today saying that there needs to be a firm plan, but there also needs to be an appreciation of how important it is economically to save the summer here. A week here or there matters little in public health terms but every week counts considerably for the industries that have been hung out to try here.

Boggles

marno21 wrote: »

A week here or there matters little in public health terms but every week counts considerably for the industries that have been hung out to try here.

We are vaccinating a quarter of a million people a week.

In public health terms and vaccinations during this pandemic, a week matters.

paw patrol

Boggles wrote: »

You are in the vast minority lad, the vast majority of the population will take the vaccine.

Good thing really, eh?

No sure the point here tbh

fair play to them taking it , some of my best mates have taken it.
I've no issue once consent is there.

If you mean it's a good thing everybody is taking it, i guess.

But I wasn't into the restrictions since June bank holiday 2020 so it's irrelevant to me. My view (and still is) there were better ways to handle it
Let it rip and spend the money on protecting and supporting the vulnerable
or "killing all the grannys" as my detractors would say...:pac:

paw patrol

Silentcorner wrote: »

The only way these continued severe restrictions make any sense is if you forget about all the data that we know...

We know who needs protection this virus. It is only a percentage of us.
We know at this time of the year there is little to no risk to anyone.

There will be clusters, it'll be fine.

We know this from the data...but we've to pretend we don't!

you nailed it

Graham

Silentcorner wrote: »

The only way these continued severe restrictions make any sense is if you forget about all the data that we know...

Nope.

Restrictions are likely to remain in place at decreasing levels until we reach herd immunity.

Nobody has ever suggested otherwise however much you'd like that to be the case.

Graham

Boggles wrote: »

We are vaccinating a quarter of a million people a week.

In public health terms and vaccinations during this pandemic, a week matters.

It's even better than that Boggles.

300,000 last week with the same predicted again for this week IIRC.

Richard Hillman

paw patrol wrote: »

but the rest of the population run a minimal risk of serious covid or even hospitalisation.
unless they have issues which would have them in those special cohorts and would have already had the vaccine (if they wanted)

your statement sounds like it's more than just protecting the vulnerable which means there is another agenda....surely not...

just who are you protecting from this killer virus?
if not the groups in society where we see the deaths?

I'm intrigued as to your thoughts

are you a zero covid champion?

Facts:
The average age of death is 81-82
Everybody above 80 has been offered the vaccine and has possibly been double jabbed.
Everybody above 70 has been offerded the vaccine.
Everybody above 60 has been offered the vaccine.
Everybody above 50 has been offered the vaccine.
The vulnerable categories under these ages have been offered the vaccine.

Before they stopped publishing the ages, the recent average age of people contracting the virus were in their mid to late 20s. The chances of a healthy person in their 20s being hospitalised with Covid is absolutely miniscule.

As you said, who are we protecting? Everyone that needs to be protected has been protected. Its over.

Richard Hillman

RTE headline is saying Masks until october-November. Well after everyone has been vaccinated and just before winter flu season, so obviously they'll want to push it on until next March.

No sane individual can defend this.