Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

drunkmonkey · 24-05-2021 08:18PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Ironic really. On the touch site this is page 747 but there will not be much of those for the foreseeable.

You need to change the amount of comments shown per page in your settings.;)
It's page 224 here.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 08:29PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Ironic really. On the touch site this is page 747 but there will not be much of those for the foreseeable.

Amen :pac:

gerogerigegege · 24-05-2021 08:31PM

pick yer brains.
travelling by myself lets say in one month from Belfast. destination: as far away from this country as possible. I'll need a PCR test over and back?
whats the most stress free way to go about this.
Thanks.

Wallander · 24-05-2021 08:37PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Ireland is not outside the Common Travel Area. What you quoted only applies to transiting through the UK to a country outside of the CTA.

I believe the rules I quoted would have to apply to Ireland. There are obligations to book two Covid tests in the UK if arriving from an amber country and staying in the UK, but clearly that can't apply to a resident of Ireland heading back there with a different travel/quarantine system. I read also on Citizens Information if travelling back into the Republic of Ireland internationally from Belfast you should voluntarily submit an Irish passenger form and follow quarantine rules here (self isolation with release after negative test after 5 days for most countries).

drunkmonkey · 24-05-2021 08:40PM

Is it definitely a PCR test required, it says on the link posted "ECDC’s data collection methodology is currently being updated to allow inclusion of cases diagnosed using antigen tests in the daily and weekly data on total numbers of cases and deaths."
Will they accept an antigen test?

naufragos123 · 24-05-2021 08:47PM

Feria40 wrote: »

You will need a PCR both ways followed by home quarantine on return.

Of course you may have some trouble actually getting off this island as non essential travel is illegal and punishable by death, sorry I mean €2k fine.

We'll find out on Friday, or most likely by leaks in advance, what the latest position is after the cabinet meeting this Friday

Thanks for your reply and for the information. I plan to go in June, I've already booked the flights and booked pain management for my partner who has chronic arthritis and we have a home there.

I'm no legal eagle but I'd challenge this business of non essential travel being "illegal." If it was illegal surely they could stop you actually boarding the plane and leaving. I'd also hugely question the legality of this 2K fine. I think the term illegal would be better applied to that. I'm at a complete loss how they can still get away with it when inter-county travel is allowed, numbers are stable and more importantly ICU and hospital numbers are stable. I remember people here saying they would lodge another complaint with the EU so did anybody get a response?

ionnn · 24-05-2021 08:58PM

As an Irish person living over in the US its incredibly depressing to watch Ireland destroy its tourism and travel network with the current restrictions and still seems to have no plan at all or road map. I've been fully vaccinated now for over a month, and yet if I was to travel home which is harder because of the reduction in routes, I still have to quarantine at home.

I don't think people understand just how much damage this has and is doing to Ireland.

Ray Donovan · 24-05-2021 09:11PM

https://travelsafe.spain.info/en/

Excellent resource to see what way restrictions are in Spain vis a vis entry requirements etc from your home country.

UDAWINNER · 24-05-2021 09:15PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is it definitely a PCR test required, it says on the link posted "ECDC’s data collection methodology is currently being updated to allow inclusion of cases diagnosed using antigen tests in the daily and weekly data on total numbers of cases and deaths."
Will they accept an antigen test?

where are you on about, different countries, different rules

Feria40 · 24-05-2021 09:29PM

Where's everyone's Crystal Ball at this evening? What will have changed in 86 hours time

1. The €2k fine, surely it can't have much of a future..can it?

2. Expected implementation date of the EU Covid Cert

3. What will/won't be allowed between now and then.

I'm giddy with excitement ðŸ˜€ ok maybe that's leap, I pretty much expect it to be a let down despite all the increased pressure.

drunkmonkey · 24-05-2021 09:32PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

where are you on about, different countries, different rules

It was in response to nufragous question, if Spain would allow an antigen test in and out it would be cheaper and quicker.
It also begs she question if some countries are using antigen how are we supposed to get down to their level of cases with a PCR test it's next to impossible.

patscott27 · 24-05-2021 09:32PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Where's everyone's Crystal Ball at this evening? What will have changed in 86 hours time

1. The €2k fine, surely it can't have much of a future..can it?

2. Expected implementation date of the EU Covid Cert

3. What will/won't be allowed between now and then.

I'm giddy with excitement &#55357;&#56832; ok maybe that's leap, I pretty much expect it to be a let down despite all the increased pressure.

I'm putting a sneaky 5er on him doubling the fine

gozunda · 24-05-2021 09:43PM

ionnn wrote: »

As an Irish person living over in the US its incredibly depressing to watch Ireland destroy its tourism and travel network with the current restrictions and still seems to have no plan at all or road map. I've been fully vaccinated now for over a month, and yet if I was to travel home which is harder because of the reduction in routes, I still have to quarantine at home.

I don't think people understand just how much damage this has and is doing to Ireland.

I think it is relevant that the US has placed a significant number of countries worldwide on their " Do not Travel list". Ireland is also on that list. Travel for Irish residents / non US citizens to the US is also prohibited atm.

The CDC advising against travel to Ireland from the US - means that health/ travel insurance may be an issue for US travellers.

ionnn · 24-05-2021 09:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

I think it is relevant that the US has placed a significant number of countries worldwide on their " Do not Travel list". Ireland is also on that list. Travel for Irish residents / non US citizens to the US is also prohibited atm.

The CDC advising against travel to Ireland from the US - means that health/ travel insurance may be an issue for US travellers.

But why would we stop US citizens & permanent residents from entering Ireland if they are vaccinated? Irelands economy heavily depends on tourism from the US and I just don't see any logic in restricting that to people who are actually vaccinated, especially in the US where vaccines are available to anyone who wants one.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 09:57PM

gozunda wrote: »

I think it is relevant that the US has placed a significant number of countries worldwide on their " Do not Travel list". Ireland is also on that list. Travel for Irish residents / non US citizens to the US is also prohibited atm.

The CDC advising against travel to Ireland from the US - means that health/ travel insurance may be an issue for US travellers.

The poster is well aware of the reasons that you have listed in your usual bot reply on the thread. It’s ok for posters to express their feelings and frustrations without having to read posts from people who constantly berate them with their lectures . It’s sad people lack any sort of empathy on these forums. People are genuinely having a hard time through this. But sure we all know you don’t give a toss because it’s clear none of this is affecting you. :rolleyes:

A lot of people are missing their families.

No need to get personal

Foxtrol · 24-05-2021 09:59PM

gozunda wrote: »

I think it is relevant that the US has placed a significant number of countries worldwide on their " Do not Travel list". Ireland is also on that list. Travel for Irish residents / non US citizens to the US is also prohibited atm.

The CDC advising against travel to Ireland from the US - means that health/ travel insurance may be an issue for US travellers.

I don't really see the relevance, your is more like whataboutism.

Ireland relies far more on US tourists and US company investment than the other way around.

US slowness to move on their travel guidance should have little to nothing to do with Irish government decisions

Donald Trump · 24-05-2021 10:09PM

ionnn wrote: »

But why would we stop US citizens & permanent residents from entering Ireland if they are vaccinated? Irelands economy heavily depends on tourism from the US and I just don't see any logic in restricting that to people who are actually vaccinated, especially in the US where vaccines are available to anyone who wants one.

What is your proof of being vaccinated? I'm obviously not saying you are not. I'm talking about the logistics. I mean how do you differentiate between an American who is vaccinated and one who is not but that says they are upon arrival because they know that that is the only way that they will be allowed enter?
My friend in the US sent me a photo of her "appointment card" after receiving her first shot. It just had the date squiggled on it for her second appointment and she also had a generic sticker she could wear advertising that she had been vaccinated by that particular medical company - "I received my Covid vaccine at X".

Do they have any official certified register or database that they would share with the Irish authorities? I doubt it.

Also, you being vaccinated means that you can still carry the virus in. You need to be vaccinated and the people here also need to be vaccinated for people here to be safe.

saabsaab · 24-05-2021 10:24PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

What is your proof of being vaccinated? I'm obviously not saying you are not. I'm talking about the logistics. I mean how do you differentiate between an American who is vaccinated and one who is not but that says they are upon arrival because they know that that is the only way that they will be allowed enter?
My friend in the US sent me a photo of her "appointment card" after receiving her first shot. It just had the date squiggled on it for her second appointment and she also had a generic sticker she could wear advertising that she had been vaccinated by that particular medical company - "I received my Covid vaccine at X".

Do they have any official certified register or database that they would share with the Irish authorities? I doubt it.

Also, you being vaccinated means that you can still carry the virus in. You need to be vaccinated and the people here also need to be vaccinated for people here to be safe.

Its all about the vaccines. Both coming in and especially here. Talk like lacking empathy or not being affected is irrelevant,

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 10:32PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Its all about the vaccines. Both coming in and especially here. Talk like lacking empathy or not being affected is irrelevant,

Thankfully posts like yours and along with others on here will be totally irrelevant in the coming months. You’ll be talking to yourselves as life gets back to normal. :pac:

Donald Trump · 24-05-2021 10:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Thankfully posts like yours and along with others on here will be totally irrelevant in the coming months. You’ll be talking to yourselves when life gets back to normal. :pac:

Mickey32, I post a bit on this thread. But I also take breaks. You might take breaks as well. I don't know. It could be coincidence but every time I look at the thread, you have a post on the last page or the second last page. You are entitled to do that of course. But if it is something that is upsetting you, it might be no harm to take an odd break until life does get back to normal. Which it will.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 10:41PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Mickey32, I post a bit on this thread. But I also take breaks. You might take breaks as well. I don't know. It could be coincidence but every time I look at the thread, you have a post on the last page or the second last page. You are entitled to do that of course. But if it is something that is upsetting you, it might be no harm to take an odd break until life does get back to normal. Which it will.

It’s not upsetting me at all to be honest. Some posts need to be called out on. That’s all really. They say the green cert is coming soon within the next couple of months. This place could become a happier as that process begins.

saabsaab · 24-05-2021 10:43PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Thankfully posts like yours and along with others on here will be totally irrelevant in the coming months. You’ll be talking to yourselves as life gets back to normal. :pac:

All post will be irrelevant . Because of ......the vaccines.

Micky 32 · 24-05-2021 10:45PM

saabsaab wrote: »

All post will be irrelevant . Because of ......the vaccines.

That’s true, will be nothing to bicker about :pac:

Donald Trump · 24-05-2021 10:50PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not upsetting me at all to be honest. Some posts need to be called out on. That’s all really. They say the green cert is coming soon within the next couple of months. This place could become a happier as that process begins.

Well I would say that everyone hopes the thread eventually dies due to it being no longer needed. Come the end of the Summer, or 2022 by the latest, I hope that travel is clear and doable for everyone.

gozunda · 24-05-2021 10:51PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

I don't really see the relevance, your is more like whataboutism.
Ireland relies far more on US tourists and US company investment than the other way around.
US slowness to move on their travel guidance should have little to nothing to do with Irish government decisions

Except I didnt say it did.

And then of course for the important point where the CDC have placed Ireland on a Do Not travel List - many Americans simply won't travel here even when we open up that option.

But as you say "whataboutism" ...

gozunda · 24-05-2021 10:54PM

ionnn wrote: »

But why would we stop US citizens & permanent residents from entering Ireland if they are vaccinated? Irelands economy heavily depends on tourism from the US and I just don't see any logic in restricting that to people who are actually vaccinated, especially in the US where vaccines are available to anyone who wants one.

Whats with the things which were never said game tonight

Where was it stated that "we stop US citizens & permanent residents from entering Ireland if they are vaccinated?"

Again it relates to a potential large downturn in the number of US visitors coming here when we do open up.

We don't have all the chessboard moves ...

1123heavy · 24-05-2021 11:03PM

Isn't it the case that people coming from the US who are fully vaccinated already do not need to do the hotel quarantine and can quarantine at home?

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/travel_to_ireland/travel_to_ireland_during_covid.html

That is what this link suggests

gozunda · 24-05-2021 11:07PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The poster is well aware of the reasons that you have listed in your usual bot reply on the thread. It’s ok for posters to express their feelings and frustrations without having to read posts from people who constantly berate them with their lectures . It’s sad people lack any sort of empathy on these forums. People are genuinely having a hard time through this. But sure we all know you don’t give a toss because it’s clear none of this is affecting you. :rolleyes:A lot of people are missing their families.

I rest my case. See above. :rolleyes:

Mickey - That gets the most bizarre post of the day award I reckon.

What are you on. exactly about?

Bizarrely you think a factual statement about the US " Do not Travel: policy equates to amongst other things

• lecturing
• showing lack of empathy
• other posters not giving a "toss"
• none of this effecting said poste.

Incorrect - 'cos thats simply attacking and berating other posters with whom you don't agree and nothing else.

If you really believe any poster here is a "bot" by accusations of same - then be so good to report it. Otherwise it simply smacks of not playing the ball.

Edit. I see your comment has already been called out by others for what it is.

Tazz T · 24-05-2021 11:11PM

It needs to be pointed out for the sake of clarity as it hasn't been made clear that the CDC 'do not travel' list is advisory. There is no fine, no penalties on travel whatsoever. Americans have been flooding into Greece since early May and being welcomed while infections continue to fall, making our travel restrictions a joke. The only thing falling here is numbers employed in tourism/aviation/associated industries.

jellies · 24-05-2021 11:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

Except I didnt say it it did.

And then of course for the important point where the CDC have placed Ireland on a Do Not travel List - many Americans simply won't travel here even when we open up that option.
...

US/Mexico travel is at the same level as it was in 2019 (I know this from my work data). Mexico is at level 4 advisory from the CDC - the same as Ireland.
The Caribbean is also doing well. The main reason is that Americans can't travel anywhere else and it is a "local" trip. So the CDC list seems to be advisory and not detering travel if the host country is open.

So my read of it is that a significant number of Americans would hop on a plane to Europe tomorrow if it is allowed. Travel to Europe is currently at -90% Vs 2019, so the initial wave might get it to -60% or -70% but this would still be significant and would save some folks jobs over the winter. Will take a number of years to get back to 2019 levels.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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