Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 06:19PM

bubblypop wrote: »

You love posting untruths on here. Not sure what your issue is but I have no reason to apologize.

What untruths?

23-05-2021 06:26PM

gozunda wrote: »

I think the original context was the UK and travel to Amber list countries. But yes dfa travel advisories is relevant for travel to destination countries for Irish travellers.

This is the current advice regarding holiday insurance fom a UK Travel company

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/travel-insurance-amber-country/

Yes but many countries and airlines have negotiated insurance policies that stay valid regardless of irish government rules
The portugese one for example is just €45 for non citizens
It covers everything including covid sickness,extended stays due to positive tests,flight delays accidents,lost baggage,theft etc etc
So the insurance issue no longer applies

gozunda · 23-05-2021 06:36PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Yes but many countries and airlines have negotiated insurance policies that stay valid regardless of irish government rules. The portugese one for example is just €45 for non citizens
It covers everything including covid sickness,extended stays due to positive tests,flight delays accidents,lost baggage,theft etc etc. So the insurance issue no longer applies

Nope. I think you missed the point. We're talking about individual insurance cover taken out here / UK as examples .

As detailed on the Citizens Information website : "Since March 2020, many insurers have changed aspects of their travel insurance policies, for example specifically excluding claims relating to COVID-19"

And as has happened we know Travelers have previosly ended up stranded for extended periods where countries have imposed no travel restrictions/ lockdowns due to covid / due to testing positive.

The advice from travel insurance companies hasn't changed regarding insurance cover.

brickster69 · 23-05-2021 06:46PM

France looking at travel restrictions for the UK. Just waiting on Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy to change next. Maybe Ireland as well.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-france-considering-slightly-tougher-restrictions-for-uk-travellers-due-to-indian-variant-12314729

23-05-2021 06:51PM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. I think you missed the point. We're talking about individual insurance cover taken out here / UK as examples .

As detailed on the Citizens Information website : "Since March 2020, many insurers have changed aspects of their travel insurance policies, for example specifically excluding claims relating to COVID-19"

And as has happened we know Travelers have previosly ended up stranded for extended periods where countries have imposed no travel restrictions/ lockdowns due to covid / due to testing positive.

The advice from travel insurance companies hasn't changed regarding insurance cover.

The point is,you CAN get travel insurance that stays valid
Mickey mouse policies need not be bought
So the issue of insurance cover no longer applies as a stick to beat people who want to leave Gilead Ireland on holiday

Blut2 · 23-05-2021 06:58PM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. Nope. There's no reference to me because this is a discussion. And not an anecdotal story swap shop.

But what the fuq is it with the personalations and constant insistence that anecdotes outweigh travel advice?

But yes the context of the discussion was travel to the (UKs) Amber list countries.

And the quote above is from a UK travel company and quotes as an example AXAs covid related restrictions for travel.

But what they know eh?

Better rely on random strangers on the Internet giving advice yes?

This is current advice Information here

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer/travel/travel_plans_and_covid19.html

But sure what the feq would they know eh?

I'm not sure where you're getting any talk of the situation in the UK with. I've never mentioned the UK, the lay of the land there is completely irrelevant to anyone in Ireland wondering if their travel insurance is valid or not.

I posted my first hand, direct experience of having traveled in the last year and being covered by my Irish travel insurance no problem. I advised anyone considering travel not to be put off by some posters, like apparently you, who haven't traveled or dealt with Irish travel insurance companies but yet post their opinions that they won't be insured as fact. That everyone should in-fact just ring their travel insurance provider and get a definitive answer.

You can keep posting links (that Citizens Information link also does not say all travel insurance is invalid, its an odd one to post, it simply advises people to check the terms of their travel insurance...) as much as you want. But at the end of the day you're posting about something you've admitted you've got no first hand experience of. People don't respect the opinions of someone who who posts about things they've never experienced, because they're essentially fantasists. I can state what its like to walk on the moon as if my opinion is fact, but its not very believable (or useful) when I've never done it personally is it?

normanoffside · 23-05-2021 07:02PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1223436/

Quarantine to target variants.

Eamon Ryan wrote:

He said it would be targeted especially to variants that may escape vaccines.

So that's nobody on the MHQ list then?

naufragos123 · 23-05-2021 07:17PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I’m basing that on all the evidence of the last 15 months with regards all decisions taken in the interests of public health.

We have a Taoiseach who is afraid to make a decision and has been ultra conservative and has hidden behind public health since his appointment.

We have a CMO who is a law onto himself and seems to have a Carte Blanche to make any decision he likes without being questioned about it. He is quite obviously anti travel among other things.

I won’t get started on our Minister for Health.

Every single decision made by these people over the last year has been to the detriment of people’s hopes. This won’t suddenly end with a lifting of the travel ban in a couple of weeks. Nothing they have done up to now points to anything other than a continuation of the “abundance of caution” when it comes to travel.

Fact of the matter is on June 21st Coronavirus will be over in England with all restrictions lifted, but in Ireland it will still be a penal offence to leave the country for leisure activities. Go figure.

I agree with everything in your post and share your clear sentiments of contempt towards the Govt/NPHET. But I don't share your extreme pessimism and don't find it helpful to keep posting as if it were a foregone conclusion. No wonder there are people on this thread complaining of doom and gloom.

You may be right in your predictions, time will tell. But I can't see them continuing the fine once June comes in. Other restrictions like MHQ,PCRs and quarantine I see continuing, even after the travel cert, but that fine is legally dodgy as well as being a further blow to aviation with routes due to open up in other airports from early June. I think it's 50/50 myself but prefer to be cautiously optimistic.

faceman · 23-05-2021 07:19PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well as nice as anecdotal stories are. The comment was based on travel company details and reports from those who took out insurance for travel last year, got stuck and ended up with no cover.

But yes - if your travel is essential - then there is no question you are covered. Non essential especially where such travel is not state sanctioned - then you run the risk of not being covered.

But hey whatever.

While I can’t comment on all insurance companies, I have confirmation in writing from my travel insurance company that they are still covering all travel, essential or otherwise, as normal except covid related claims.

23-05-2021 07:23PM

faceman wrote: »

While I can’t comment on all insurance companies, I have confirmation in writing from my travel insurance company that they are still covering all travel, essential or otherwise, as normal except covid related claims.

You'd be better off getting one that covers covid related stuff,Even EI are selling them for €20

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 07:32PM

normanoffside wrote: »

So that's nobody on the MHQ list then?

I wonder how this will work though. Say you are sunning your ass in Timbuktu. Scientists discover and announce a new variant B.1765432.5646765478432 in Timbuktu. So does Eamonn Ryan hit the big shiney red quarantine button so you with your nicely tanned ass straight into quarantine when you return without warning or do they wait for at least they have some proof it evades vaccines?

On a positive note Luke O’Neill was saying ‘ “”unlikely that SARS CoV2 variants might escape T cell recognition’.””

23-05-2021 07:33PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I wonder how this will work though. Say you are sunning your ass in Timbuktu. Scientists discover and announce a new variant B.1765432.5646765478432 in Timbuktu. So does Eamonn Ryan hit the big shiney red quarantine button so you with your nicely tanned ass straight into quarantine when you return without warning or do they wait for at least they have some proof it evades vaccines?

On a positive note Luke O’Neill was saying ‘ “”unlikely that SARS CoV2 variants might escape T cell recognition’.””

All I can see is a sad tom Hanks standing at passport control

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 07:34PM

faceman wrote: »

While I can’t comment on all insurance companies, I have confirmation in writing from my travel insurance company that they are still covering all travel, essential or otherwise, as normal except covid related claims.

Same here, they even added 6 months for free on mine.

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 07:36PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

All I can see is a sad tom Hanks standing at passport control

I don’t quite follow, maybe eleborate on your smart arse comments?

kerrylad1 · 23-05-2021 07:36PM

Lads whats the story for old folks like my dad with this vaccine passport app.
He has a old nokia phone &#55357;&#56900;
He wants me to book lanza again for him for july.
Will the card saying,he is fully jabbed be ok to fly?
Told him about this vaccine passport today.To say he was not happy is a understatement.&#55357;&#56832;
"Why did i bother getting jabbed "etc etc&#55357;&#56832;

UDAWINNER · 23-05-2021 07:41PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Lads whats the story for old folks like my dad with this vaccine passport app.
He has a old nokia phone ��
He wants me to book lanza again for him for july.
Will the card saying,he is fully jabbed be ok to fly?
Told him about this vaccine passport today.To say he was not happy is a understatement.��
"Why did i bother getting jabbed "etc etc��

As far as I know, they will allow you download a paper copy which can be scanned. When they introduce this, is anyone's guess. Doubt it will be in place before July. I know some people have travelled in the meantime using the card they've been given as proof. Expect to do PCR tests both ways

23-05-2021 07:45PM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

Lads whats the story for old folks like my dad with this vaccine passport app.
He has a old nokia phone ��
He wants me to book lanza again for him for july.
Will the card saying,he is fully jabbed be ok to fly?
Told him about this vaccine passport today.To say he was not happy is a understatement.��
"Why did i bother getting jabbed "etc etc��

The passport scheme won't be up and running for Ireland untill mid August it seems
So the current conditions will apply to there most likely

23-05-2021 07:46PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t quite follow, maybe eleborate on your smart arse comments?

Maybe wind your neck in and stop being so confrontational?

It was a joke about his character being stuck in the airport because his legal status changed while he was in the air!

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 07:58PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Maybe wind your neck in and stop being so confrontational?

It was a joke about his character being stuck in the airport because his legal status changed while he was in the air!

Ah right i do apologise, it’s hard to tell with some of the posters on here.

saabsaab · 23-05-2021 08:07PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

As far as I know, they will allow you download a paper copy which can be scanned. When they introduce this, is anyone's guess. Doubt it will be in place before July. I know some people have travelled in the meantime using the card they've been given as proof. Expect to do PCR tests both ways

That's what my vaccinator said to me. Said it was a 'pass' wasn't sure he was serious.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 08:08PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

The point is,you CAN get travel insurance that stays valid
Mickey mouse policies need not be bought
So the issue of insurance cover no longer applies as a stick to beat people who want to leave Gilead Ireland on holiday

Well no. We have some claiming Normal travel insurance covers you for non essential travel atm and covid claims. Which frankly is bolloxs.

As for "people who want to leave" - they're doing that against public health travel advisories eitherway. But the same don't apparently give a 'shyte' apparently. I suppose you reckon UK is Gilead as well? Or is it just Ireland is the worsest?

kilns · 23-05-2021 08:10PM

So according to Eamon Ryan MHQ will be now based on variants of concern. So we should expect a wide ranging update of the list this week with only a small number of countries on the list

I won't hold my breath

stephenjmcd · 23-05-2021 08:12PM

saabsaab wrote: »

That's what my vaccinator said to me. Said it was a 'pass' wasn't sure he was serious.

As pointed out to you in another thread he shouldn't have said that as that card won't get you anywhere

The official document will be available when the green pass is launched

Beasty · 23-05-2021 08:14PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Maybe wind your neck in and stop being so confrontational?

It was a joke about his character being stuck in the airport because his legal status changed while he was in the air!

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah right i do apologise, it’s hard to tell with some of the posters on here.

I'm pleased to see that apology, but it really should not have got that far

Could both of you please remember to be civil when posting. And if you are unsure how something may be taken by another poster, perhaps just don't post it.

saabsaab · 23-05-2021 08:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As pointed out to you in another thread he shouldn't have said that as that card won't get you anywhere

The official document will be available when the green pass is launched

A previous poster said it was used in just that way!

ZX7R · 23-05-2021 08:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As pointed out to you in another thread he shouldn't have said that as that card won't get you anywhere

Here in Poland your card your issued with ,has the vaccine batch number on it,you cant be issued the vaccination without there equivalent of a pps number.
So the batch number and pps are linked ,Poland have been running a trile where you log into a portal put in your pps number and you receive a digital green card similar to Ryanair tickets with a bar code ,you can scan using your phone or print it.
I know people who have traveled from Ireland fully vaccinated and there card was accepted at entry, perhaps it had the batch number on it,

stephenjmcd · 23-05-2021 08:22PM

saabsaab wrote: »

A previous poster said it was used in just that way!

It doesn't matter. They need a PCR to travel for essential reasons, proof of vaccination coming into Ireland won't matter unless coming from a country subject to MHQ.

Can carry the card as much as they want if coming into the country but it won't count for anything if someone comes for example from Spain to Ireland with a HSE card its not going to be asked for. Its not a government document. Its essentially an appointment card. It was pointed out to you this very point in another thread when you said the vaccinator told you it would get you into a pub.

stephenjmcd · 23-05-2021 08:24PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Here in Poland your card your issued with ,has the vaccine batch number on it,you cant be issued the vaccination without there equivalent of a pps number.
So the batch number and pps are linked ,Poland have been running a trile where you log into a portal put in your pps number and you receive a digital green card similar to Ryanair tickets with a bar code ,you can scan using your phone or print it.
I know people who have traveled from Ireland fully vaccinated and there card was accepted at entry, perhaps it had the batch number on it,

That's up to Poland if they want to accept the vaccine card but it's not an official government document.

There's no linked systems for travel, so I could easily get an appointment card, fill in any old details on it and jump on a plane to Poland and use it as proof. That's on Poland if they want to accept it or not

The only official documentation issued here will be the proof of vaccination via EU pass

gozunda · 23-05-2021 08:32PM

faceman wrote: »

While I can’t comment on all insurance companies, I have confirmation in writing from my travel insurance company that they are still covering all travel, essential or otherwise, as normal except covid related claims.

Thank you. This the point.

UDAWINNER · 23-05-2021 08:36PM

saabsaab wrote: »

That's what my vaccinator said to me. Said it was a 'pass' wasn't sure he was serious.

Sure it's the only proof people have at the moment, but you still have to get all the tests, etc. Worthless with no benefit.
How do people prove they've been vaccinated to avoid MHQ coming from USA, etc

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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