Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Del Griffith · 22-05-2021 11:09PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Good question. A true 'scariant' (hugely infectious plus very fatal) would put us back to square one. However, if the vaccine roll out across the World is fast enough we won't allow it to develop plus if the vaccines give a reasonable degree of protection combined with local lockdowns when necessary it may not get a chance to spread. I'll get a link on this later.

So let's just get this straight and clarify the depth of your hysteria because I'm not 100% sure I follow.

You are suggesting that Ireland needs to stay essentially closed to all tourism until the entire world is vaccinated (approximately 11 billion doses, currently estimated to take between 5 and 7 years)?

And this insanity should be combined with local lockdowns aswell during that time?

All for fear of variants which can beat the vaccines, something which at this point there is no evidence of at all?

22-05-2021 11:36PM

Jeez, were all very pessimistic today aren't we?

Chin up guys, in 6 weeks time well all be enjoying a meal and a drink in a beer garden

saabsaab · 22-05-2021 11:38PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

So let's just get this straight and clarify the depth of your hysteria because I'm not 100% sure I follow.

You are suggesting that Ireland needs to stay essentially closed to all tourism until the entire world is vaccinated (approximately 11 billion doses, currently estimated to take between 5 and 7 years)?

And this insanity should be combined with local lockdowns aswell during that time?

All for fear of variants which can beat the vaccines, something which at this point there is no evidence of at all?

No hysteria, just Ireland mostly vaccinated, with possible local lockdowns on various countries that develop new more deadly variants. As I said already there is evidence that currently the Indian variant is able to reduce effectiveness of some vaccines.

23-05-2021 03:10AM

faceman wrote: »

I’m heading back to Ireland for 6 weeks next month. Kind of dreading it. Life is well on the path to normality in Spain for some time. Covid is virtually non existent in my area. Meanwhile in Ireland there are a few people who are almost afraid to see me because I’m one of those nasty (Irish) foreigners that saabsaab keeps talking about.

From the sound of it I won’t be meeting friends in the pub in Ireland because all the outdoor slots are booked up for June. Contrast that with me last night out for a walk and spur of the moment decision popped in to the local boozer, sat inside and had a sneaky nightcap.

Just like the hiv scares in the 80’s, the scaremongering worked and people still believe that sex without a condom is a guaranteed path to catching hiv when in reality the narrative was never updated event though risks are low. Ireland’s mentality with covid is the same.

We hear about the scaremongering over variants but I don’t think I’ve ever heard an Irish politician or NPHET confirm that the vaccines work against all existing variants. It’s a narrative isn’t aligned with other countries.

I just wonder how long it will be until the Ireland psyche catches up with the rest of Europe.

Taking posters in this thread. Saabsaab views travel like dropping your mickey in to a beef mincer. Mickey32 seems to think travel won’t return in a meaningful way. Not having a pop but it’s clear their mindset is quiet extreme. I’m not sure how prevalent that kind of mindset is in Ireland.

I’ll try not to bring back all the variants from my disease riddled neighbourhood though. Keep you posted lads

Your analogy with AIDS is sad and demeaning to what the actual AIDS crisis consisted of. I'm sure you'll be happy with your virtual thanks.

corkonion · 23-05-2021 03:40AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Jeez, were all very pessimistic today aren't we?

Chin up guys, in 6 weeks time well all be enjoying a meal and a drink in a beer garden

Wait 6 weeks if you want, I'll be doing that in a fortnight

23-05-2021 03:58AM

corkonion wrote: »

Wait 6 weeks if you want, I'll be doing that in a fortnight

Well I did it a month ago in Spain so I win

Del Griffith · 23-05-2021 06:45AM

saabsaab wrote: »

No hysteria, just Ireland mostly vaccinated, with possible local lockdowns on various countries that develop new more deadly variants. As I said already there is evidence that currently the Indian variant is able to reduce effectiveness of some vaccines.

It's interesting that lads of your opinion on covid always "follow the experts" until the same experts say there's nothing really to worry about i.e vaccines are effective against the Indian variant. Then it's time to dismiss that widely held opinion and go searching for one that suits your panic narrative.

And as I've pointed out before none of the vaccines have been designed nor trialed to prevent spread, only lesson/ remove symptoms. Ergo new variants developing will always be possible and (outside of remaining restricted forever) your view point and that strategy is highly flawed.

Ray Donovan · 23-05-2021 07:59AM

So the 6 week lead in time from July 1st for the Green Cert is officially a thing.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2593

Coupled with our media reporting travel hesitancy has crept in to our government due to the Indian variant (Yet English Sunday broadsheets report today that its nothing to worry about as vaccines work fine), it seems theres no hope of travel before mid August.

I now fully expect the travel fine to be extended on June 2nd. Possibly all the way up to implementation of Green Cert here.

pc7 · 23-05-2021 08:05AM

Mid August would screw most families as schools ask you to sign declarations you haven’t been away previous 14 days.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 08:27AM

Surely delaying the green vaccine cert 6 weeks is an own goal? If you are fully vaccinated why pay for a pcr test? They are trivially easy to fake, I’d imagine a lot of vaccinated people would be happy to travel with their HSE card and a fake pcr result? And if that’s the case why bother at all with a genuine test

faceman · 23-05-2021 09:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your analogy with AIDS is sad and demeaning to what the actual AIDS crisis consisted of. I'm sure you'll be happy with your virtual thanks.

No its not

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/professor-luke-oneill-history-holds-the-answer-as-to-how-we-should-deal-with-the-pandemic-40246893.html

https://www.newstalk.com/news/luke-oneill-let-people-outdoors-more-and-theyll-be-less-likely-to-break-other-rules-1170275

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/prof-luke-o-neill-it-s-definitely-beatable-covid-19-1.4258229

Lumen · 23-05-2021 09:06AM

I'll wait to see what this week's announcement brings, but if there are no specific commitments I'll be switching from Rosslare ferry to Belfast flights for my early August holidays.

The slippage from 21 June to 1 July has completely screwed me.

Gael23 · 23-05-2021 09:13AM

For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?

ngunners · 23-05-2021 09:18AM

Gael23 wrote: »

For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?

Yes but you may be able to travel without the cert. Wait and see what the government announces next week.

Lumen · 23-05-2021 09:20AM

Gael23 wrote: »

For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?

Yes, unless they deliver early.

But that isn't really the main issue. Vaccination card or PCR test will probably do for the destination country.

The issue is that going to the (air)port is illegal.

KanyeSouthEast · 23-05-2021 09:32AM

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, unless they deliver early.

But that isn't really the main issue. Vaccination card or PCR test will probably do for the destination country.

The issue is that going to the (air)port is illegal.

And coming back again and having all these quarantine restrictions placed on us.

Van.Bosch · 23-05-2021 09:34AM

pc7 wrote: »

Mid August would screw most families as schools ask you to sign declarations you haven’t been away previous 14 days.

I wonder if travel is allowed would that not go too?

jn123 · 23-05-2021 09:42AM

Any updates on US travel?

lcstress2012 · 23-05-2021 09:56AM

I’m sure they’re going to get rid of non essential travel and that ridiculous 2k fine be end of July. I work in the airport and it won’t survive any longer if they keep this up.

23-05-2021 10:23AM

jn123 wrote: »

Any updates on US travel?

Not likely to chamge for a while, forbes ran a story on it friday,

Its a cdc decision in the us on the ire uk shengen travel ban

Sammy2012 · 23-05-2021 10:44AM

lcstress2012 wrote: »

I’m sure they’re going to get rid of non essential travel and that ridiculous 2k fine be end of July. I work in the airport and it won’t survive any longer if they keep this up.

I don't think our esteemed leaders realise the damage they are causing.

jellies · 23-05-2021 10:47AM

jn123 wrote: »

Any updates on US travel?

https://www.afar.com/magazine/when-will-we-be-able-to-travel-to-europe

"Italy opened to U.S. leisure travelers on COVID-tested flights on May 16 and as France recently said it will open to Americans by June 9. Additionally, a handful of European countries have already started opening up to international travelers who are either vaccinated or present negative COVID-19 test results, including Greece and Iceland."

Other European countries are starting to open up to US visitors.

Meanwhile we are still putting US visitors in 14 day mandatory hotel quarantine. It is unbelievable.

Van.Bosch · 23-05-2021 10:51AM

jellies wrote: »

https://www.afar.com/magazine/when-will-we-be-able-to-travel-to-europe

"Italy opened to U.S. leisure travelers on COVID-tested flights on May 16 and as France recently said it will open to Americans by June 9. Additionally, a handful of European countries have already started opening up to international travelers who are either vaccinated or present negative COVID-19 test results, including Greece and Iceland."

Other European countries are starting to open up to US visitors.

Meanwhile we are still putting US visitors in 14 day mandatory hotel quarantine. It is unbelievable.

True but Irish visitors aren’t welcome in the US at all so it’s not that crazy.

jellies · 23-05-2021 11:00AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

True but Irish visitors aren’t welcome in the US at all so it’s not that crazy.

Yeah but we want to get our inbound US tourism going again.

Most Americans I know have had their kids vaccinated at this stage so can be done very safely if we were minded to look for solutions.

I'd imagine the CDC will unwind their inbound restrictions as part of the EU Green Cert initiative.

pc7 · 23-05-2021 11:03AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I wonder if travel is allowed would that not go too?

I’d hope so, along with public servants needing to take two weeks off even if wfh as hoping to get away with the girls in October and some currently wouldn’t be able if that policy stands.

pc7 · 23-05-2021 11:03AM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

I don't think our esteemed leaders realise the damage they are causing.

I don’t think they care.

naufragos123 · 23-05-2021 11:03AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I now fully expect the travel fine to be extended on June 2nd. Possibly all the way up to implementation of Green Cert here.

Why are you so pessimistic? What are you basing that on?

dalyboy · 23-05-2021 11:08AM

Great article about UK orange status countries and the hurdle (s) boris Johnson is facing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9607989/JONATHAN-SUMPTION-backbone-Boris.html

M_Murphy57 · 23-05-2021 11:11AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Great article about UK orange status countries and the hurdle (s) boris Johnson is facing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9607989/JONATHAN-SUMPTION-backbone-Boris.html

" consists of public health professionals interested only in public health and blind to most things that make good health worth having"

So they've heard of Saint Tony.

Happydays2020 · 23-05-2021 11:11AM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Why are you so pessimistic? What are you basing that on?

RTÉ and Tony.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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