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Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Good question. A true 'scariant' (hugely infectious plus very fatal) would put us back to square one. However, if the vaccine roll out across the World is fast enough we won't allow it to develop plus if the vaccines give a reasonable degree of protection combined with local lockdowns when necessary it may not get a chance to spread. I'll get a link on this later.

    So let's just get this straight and clarify the depth of your hysteria because I'm not 100% sure I follow.

    You are suggesting that Ireland needs to stay essentially closed to all tourism until the entire world is vaccinated (approximately 11 billion doses, currently estimated to take between 5 and 7 years)?

    And this insanity should be combined with local lockdowns aswell during that time?

    All for fear of variants which can beat the vaccines, something which at this point there is no evidence of at all?


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jeez, were all very pessimistic today aren't we?

    Chin up guys, in 6 weeks time well all be enjoying a meal and a drink in a beer garden


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    So let's just get this straight and clarify the depth of your hysteria because I'm not 100% sure I follow.

    You are suggesting that Ireland needs to stay essentially closed to all tourism until the entire world is vaccinated (approximately 11 billion doses, currently estimated to take between 5 and 7 years)?

    And this insanity should be combined with local lockdowns aswell during that time?

    All for fear of variants which can beat the vaccines, something which at this point there is no evidence of at all?


    No hysteria, just Ireland mostly vaccinated, with possible local lockdowns on various countries that develop new more deadly variants. As I said already there is evidence that currently the Indian variant is able to reduce effectiveness of some vaccines.


  • Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    faceman wrote: »
    I’m heading back to Ireland for 6 weeks next month. Kind of dreading it. Life is well on the path to normality in Spain for some time. Covid is virtually non existent in my area. Meanwhile in Ireland there are a few people who are almost afraid to see me because I’m one of those nasty (Irish) foreigners that saabsaab keeps talking about.

    From the sound of it I won’t be meeting friends in the pub in Ireland because all the outdoor slots are booked up for June. Contrast that with me last night out for a walk and spur of the moment decision popped in to the local boozer, sat inside and had a sneaky nightcap.

    Just like the hiv scares in the 80’s, the scaremongering worked and people still believe that sex without a condom is a guaranteed path to catching hiv when in reality the narrative was never updated event though risks are low. Ireland’s mentality with covid is the same.

    We hear about the scaremongering over variants but I don’t think I’ve ever heard an Irish politician or NPHET confirm that the vaccines work against all existing variants. It’s a narrative isn’t aligned with other countries.

    I just wonder how long it will be until the Ireland psyche catches up with the rest of Europe.

    Taking posters in this thread. Saabsaab views travel like dropping your mickey in to a beef mincer. Mickey32 seems to think travel won’t return in a meaningful way. Not having a pop but it’s clear their mindset is quiet extreme. I’m not sure how prevalent that kind of mindset is in Ireland.

    I’ll try not to bring back all the variants from my disease riddled neighbourhood though. Keep you posted lads ;)

    Your analogy with AIDS is sad and demeaning to what the actual AIDS crisis consisted of. I'm sure you'll be happy with your virtual thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭corkonion


    Jeez, were all very pessimistic today aren't we?

    Chin up guys, in 6 weeks time well all be enjoying a meal and a drink in a beer garden

    Wait 6 weeks if you want, I'll be doing that in a fortnight


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  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    corkonion wrote: »
    Wait 6 weeks if you want, I'll be doing that in a fortnight

    Well I did it a month ago in Spain so I win


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    saabsaab wrote: »
    No hysteria, just Ireland mostly vaccinated, with possible local lockdowns on various countries that develop new more deadly variants. As I said already there is evidence that currently the Indian variant is able to reduce effectiveness of some vaccines.

    It's interesting that lads of your opinion on covid always "follow the experts" until the same experts say there's nothing really to worry about i.e vaccines are effective against the Indian variant. Then it's time to dismiss that widely held opinion and go searching for one that suits your panic narrative.

    And as I've pointed out before none of the vaccines have been designed nor trialed to prevent spread, only lesson/ remove symptoms. Ergo new variants developing will always be possible and (outside of remaining restricted forever) your view point and that strategy is highly flawed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    So the 6 week lead in time from July 1st for the Green Cert is officially a thing.

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_2593

    Coupled with our media reporting travel hesitancy has crept in to our government due to the Indian variant (Yet English Sunday broadsheets report today that its nothing to worry about as vaccines work fine), it seems theres no hope of travel before mid August.

    I now fully expect the travel fine to be extended on June 2nd. Possibly all the way up to implementation of Green Cert here.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Mid August would screw most families as schools ask you to sign declarations you haven’t been away previous 14 days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Surely delaying the green vaccine cert 6 weeks is an own goal? If you are fully vaccinated why pay for a pcr test? They are trivially easy to fake, I’d imagine a lot of vaccinated people would be happy to travel with their HSE card and a fake pcr result? And if that’s the case why bother at all with a genuine test


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    I'll wait to see what this week's announcement brings, but if there are no specific commitments I'll be switching from Rosslare ferry to Belfast flights for my early August holidays.

    The slippage from 21 June to 1 July has completely screwed me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Gael23 wrote: »
    For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?

    Yes but you may be able to travel without the cert. Wait and see what the government announces next week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Gael23 wrote: »
    For people fully vaccinated by 1st July will you still have to wait 6 weeks to get the cert?

    Yes, unless they deliver early.

    But that isn't really the main issue. Vaccination card or PCR test will probably do for the destination country.

    The issue is that going to the (air)port is illegal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    Lumen wrote: »
    Yes, unless they deliver early.

    But that isn't really the main issue. Vaccination card or PCR test will probably do for the destination country.

    The issue is that going to the (air)port is illegal.

    And coming back again and having all these quarantine restrictions placed on us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    pc7 wrote: »
    Mid August would screw most families as schools ask you to sign declarations you haven’t been away previous 14 days.

    I wonder if travel is allowed would that not go too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 jn123


    Any updates on US travel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭lcstress2012


    I’m sure they’re going to get rid of non essential travel and that ridiculous 2k fine be end of July. I work in the airport and it won’t survive any longer if they keep this up.


  • Posts: 99 ✭✭ Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful


    jn123 wrote: »
    Any updates on US travel?

    Not likely to chamge for a while, forbes ran a story on it friday,

    Its a cdc decision in the us on the ire uk shengen travel ban


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I’m sure they’re going to get rid of non essential travel and that ridiculous 2k fine be end of July. I work in the airport and it won’t survive any longer if they keep this up.

    I don't think our esteemed leaders realise the damage they are causing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    jn123 wrote: »
    Any updates on US travel?

    https://www.afar.com/magazine/when-will-we-be-able-to-travel-to-europe

    "Italy opened to U.S. leisure travelers on COVID-tested flights on May 16 and as France recently said it will open to Americans by June 9. Additionally, a handful of European countries have already started opening up to international travelers who are either vaccinated or present negative COVID-19 test results, including Greece and Iceland."

    Other European countries are starting to open up to US visitors.

    Meanwhile we are still putting US visitors in 14 day mandatory hotel quarantine. It is unbelievable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    jellies wrote: »
    https://www.afar.com/magazine/when-will-we-be-able-to-travel-to-europe

    "Italy opened to U.S. leisure travelers on COVID-tested flights on May 16 and as France recently said it will open to Americans by June 9. Additionally, a handful of European countries have already started opening up to international travelers who are either vaccinated or present negative COVID-19 test results, including Greece and Iceland."

    Other European countries are starting to open up to US visitors.

    Meanwhile we are still putting US visitors in 14 day mandatory hotel quarantine. It is unbelievable.

    True but Irish visitors aren’t welcome in the US at all so it’s not that crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭jellies


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    True but Irish visitors aren’t welcome in the US at all so it’s not that crazy.

    Yeah but we want to get our inbound US tourism going again.

    Most Americans I know have had their kids vaccinated at this stage so can be done very safely if we were minded to look for solutions.

    I'd imagine the CDC will unwind their inbound restrictions as part of the EU Green Cert initiative.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    I wonder if travel is allowed would that not go too?

    I’d hope so, along with public servants needing to take two weeks off even if wfh as hoping to get away with the girls in October and some currently wouldn’t be able if that policy stands.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    I don't think our esteemed leaders realise the damage they are causing.

    I don’t think they care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭naufragos123



    I now fully expect the travel fine to be extended on June 2nd. Possibly all the way up to implementation of Green Cert here.

    Why are you so pessimistic? What are you basing that on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Great article about UK orange status countries and the hurdle (s) boris Johnson is facing

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9607989/JONATHAN-SUMPTION-backbone-Boris.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    dalyboy wrote: »
    Great article about UK orange status countries and the hurdle (s) boris Johnson is facing

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9607989/JONATHAN-SUMPTION-backbone-Boris.html

    " consists of public health professionals interested only in public health and blind to most things that make good health worth having"

    So they've heard of Saint Tony.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Why are you so pessimistic? What are you basing that on?

    RTÉ and Tony.


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