Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

PowerToWait · 22-05-2021 05:16PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Newstalk announcing just now Green Cert could be mid August now and no guarantee either. Looks like Govt is getting fond of locking people up,

Tyranny. Locked up in our homes. Prisoners in our own country. It's like North Korea. A dictatorship.

Micky 32 · 22-05-2021 05:26PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Newstalk announcing just now Green Cert could be mid August now and no guarantee either. Looks like Govt is getting fond of locking people up,

Surprise surprise………..Can anyone actually picture T Holohan in August on TV ever saying “
“Ye can now all hop on a plane to see your families or go on holidays abroad now I’m now sending a letter to the government for the recommendation “

My arse he ever will because by August it will be the loompaland variant black cloud excuse.

Fann Linn · 22-05-2021 05:28PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Tyranny. Locked up in our homes. Prisoners in our own country. It's like North Korea. A dictatorship.

Getting to be a bit of a joke now. Varadkar spouting out of him only a few weeks back that he expects 80% of all adults to have been offered a vaccine. Just when other countries seem to be getting their act together our shower want to keep the exits blocked. Guaranteed they won't have a problem with tourists coming in with a digital cert.

Lumen · 22-05-2021 05:29PM

josip wrote: »

2 real questions regarding the Certs:
When young children were traveling up to now with PCR negative adults, they did not have to PCR test. Will they now have to have a PCR test if the adults are traveling with a Covid-Cert that they have qualified for based on being vaccinated?

(Finger in the wind type question) After the EU Covid Cert is introduced in early July, will other countries accept domestic national vaccination certs from lagard countries (eg, embossed HSE A6 piece of paper) during the subsequent 6 week grace period?

As I understand it, both those decisions will be in the "competence" of the destination country.

The cert is really just a standardized way of providing evidence.

Micky 32 · 22-05-2021 05:35PM

The hotel quarantine list has been updated. Andorra, Georgia, Kuwait, Mongolia, Nigeria and Puerto Rico have been removed.

Moro89 · 22-05-2021 05:38PM

What are the rules on travel from the US at the moment?

Currently in a house share with 2 others and one friend is planning to bring his girlfriend over from the US for 2 weeks at the end of June. Appreciate it is tough for everyone but we think its a bit much as we are both working from home and the place is crowded as it is. She has been vaccinated.

My friend thinks his girlfriend will be able to quarantine in our place.

Feria40 · 22-05-2021 05:40PM

Pending the full introduction of the EU Covid cert (with additional Tony protections on top) is there any likelihood of us creating a traffic light system similar to the UK in the interim?

Fann Linn · 22-05-2021 05:41PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Pending the full introduction of the EU Covid cert (with additional Tony protections on top) is there any likelihood of us creating a traffic light system similar to the UK in the interim?

You couldn't set your watch by our crowd.

Happydays2020 · 22-05-2021 05:43PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Pending the full introduction of the EU Covid cert (with additional Tony protections on top) is there any likelihood of us creating a traffic light system similar to the UK in the interim?

Yes. The road to Belfast.

kilns · 22-05-2021 05:49PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The hotel quarantine list has been updated. Andorra, Georgia, Kuwait, Mongolia, Nigeria and Puerto Rico have been removed.

And France still on the list? Are they taking the piss

Dr. Em · 22-05-2021 05:50PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Pending the full introduction of the EU Covid cert (with additional Tony protections on top) is there any likelihood of us creating a traffic light system similar to the UK in the interim?

??? Ireland already has a traffic light system - the EU one. The main problem is that cases all across the EU/EEA are so high that only Iceland, parts of Finland and parts of Norway are green.

There is some talk about increasing the acceptable threshold for the green classification across the EU, which would put Malta and Portugal on the green list.

Tenzor07 · 22-05-2021 05:58PM

Hulahoop and his crew will push the vaccine cert out until Mid-August, by that time the prices of European holidays will be expensive cos it's when a lot of Europe traditionally goes on holiday...
Plus those with school age children will want to ensure kids are ready for 1 day back at school in early september...

Though like others have said, if they don't allow travel abroad then it will increase numbers who won't be rushing to get the vaccine....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tony-holohan-overseas-travel-is-a-major-covid-19-threat-1.4290551

ZX7R · 22-05-2021 06:02PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Hulahoop and his crew will push the vaccine cert out until Mid-August, by that time the prices of European holidays will be expensive cos it's when a lot of Europe traditionally goes on holiday...
Plus those with school age children will want to ensure kids are ready for 1 day back at school in early september...

Though like others have said, if they don't allow travel abroad then it will increase numbers who won't be rushing to get the vaccine....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/tony-holohan-overseas-travel-is-a-major-covid-19-threat-1.4290551

Minister for health simon Harris, something up with that article, I smell bull

Just realised that article is from last year

titan18 · 22-05-2021 06:09PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Newstalk announcing just now Green Cert could be mid August now and no guarantee either. Looks like Govt is getting fond of locking people up,

Isn't it that we have 6 weeks and that's it. If we don't have it implemented by then, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot at EU level.

Fann Linn · 22-05-2021 06:12PM

titan18 wrote: »

Isn't it that we have 6 weeks and that's it. If we don't have it implemented by then, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot at EU level.

Hope so,

Gael23 · 22-05-2021 06:15PM

titan18 wrote: »

Isn't it that we have 6 weeks and that's it. If we don't have it implemented by then, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot at EU level.

Yes I understand that to be the case. They could in theory opt out entirely but that wouldn’t go down well diplomatically

titan18 · 22-05-2021 06:16PM

Ya, I reckon they'll just delay as long as they can and muddy the waters with the media so people don't book stuff. It'll be economic and not health reasons why they'll delay it.

Sammy2012 · 22-05-2021 06:19PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, I reckon they'll just delay as long as they can and muddy the waters with the media so people don't book stuff. It'll be economic and not health reasons why they'll delay it.

But a lot of people have already booked stuff as they just rebooked from last year. It's crazy all this talk of variants when it's been proven that the vaccines are effective against them. Why can't those of us who want to, just get on with our lives and those who want to stay locked up stay that way!!!

Feria40 · 22-05-2021 06:20PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

??? Ireland already has a traffic light system - the EU one. The main problem is that cases all across the EU/EEA are so high that only Iceland, parts of Finland and parts of Norway are green.

There is some talk about increasing the acceptable threshold for the green classification across the EU, which would put Malta and Portugal on the green list.

Okay... But the traffic light rating system that's there does not take account of vaccination levels, arrival/departure testing etc.

pc7 · 22-05-2021 06:25PM

If the fine lifts June 2nd I’m booking our flights for start of august with the kids, will hopefully be able to just do pcr if certs not in place. Myself and Mr PC7 will be fully vaccinated, seems ridiculous if rest of Europe will be allowed and we won’t.

Dr. Em · 22-05-2021 06:35PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Okay... But the traffic light rating system that's there does not take account of vaccination levels, arrival/departure testing etc.

It doesn't consider vaccine coverage at the moment. I don't know if that is being discussed or if it is assumed to be moot once the passport system comes into effect. Testing is part of the traffic light system. When countries signed up to it, they agreed that they would not require testing or quarantine from green areas.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/travel-during-coronavirus-pandemic/common-approach-travel-measures-eu_en

The weekly reports are the thing to watch. If several countries go green and orange, we will see restrictions lifting much sooner.

brickster69 · 22-05-2021 07:35PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Pending the full introduction of the EU Covid cert (with additional Tony protections on top) is there any likelihood of us creating a traffic light system similar to the UK in the interim?

Yes, but it only has one light. A big fat red one

kilns · 22-05-2021 07:36PM

So France is on the hotel list while countries such as Nederlands Cyprus Croatia Slovenia etc with much higher per incidence rates are not. Who makes up this crap

CruelSummer · 22-05-2021 07:43PM

This whole situation is a farce. I really hope people don’t stand by and watch our fellow EU citizens travel freely all summer long while we sit here battling gale force wind and rain because of the abundance of caution, concern, possible variants, etc... what a shocking way to treat the families of this country - many of whom have bookings for this summer moved from last year.

KanyeSouthEast · 22-05-2021 07:47PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

This whole situation is a farce. I really hope people don’t stand by and watch our fellow EU citizens travel freely all summer long while we sit here battling gale force wind and rain because of the abundance of caution, concern, possible variants, etc... what a shocking way to treat the families of this country - many of whom have bookings for this summer moved from last year.

People will unfortunately. We really need some leadership from out govt our MEPs also but most Irish people will shrug their shoulders and listen to Holohan and Donnelly.

Darwin · 22-05-2021 07:47PM

kilns wrote: »

So France is on the hotel list while countries such as Nederlands Cyprus Croatia Slovenia etc with much higher per incidence rates are not. Who makes up this crap

Yes its absolutely ridiculous, they must be worried about the potential for the garlic and onion or baguette covid variants to emerge from France. I'm going there come what may this summer and will be returning some other way if Guantanamo bay is still operating at Dublin in August.

pjohnson · 22-05-2021 07:49PM

Darwin wrote: »

Yes its absolutely ridiculous, they must be worried about the potential for the garlic and onion or baguette covid variants to emerge from France. I'm going there come what may this summer and will be returning some other way if Guantanamo bay is still operating at Dublin in August.

It never was you'll be glad to know.

kilns · 22-05-2021 07:50PM

Do journalists ask questions with regard to covid of NPHET or govt? Or do they just go along with what has been told. For example what journalist questions the hotel quarantine to those in authority

KanyeSouthEast · 22-05-2021 07:52PM

pjohnson wrote: »

It never was you'll be glad to know.

Do you think there should be international travel this summer?

saabsaab · 22-05-2021 07:58PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Do you think there should be international travel this summer?

Depends on the roll out and new variants. (I know the vaccines work on variants but there was some report that one strain of the Indian variant appeared to be able to defeat one dose of certain vaccines)

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