Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

JPup · 22-05-2021 2:39pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Just curious, I’m in my 30s and have a history of “essential hypertension” (high blood pressure without an explanation.) So I’ve been on medication for it since my 20s (an Angiotensin II Receptor Blocker (ARB)

Should I have been in a higher risk category? Or, is that regarded as fine as it’s managed?

I’ve just been waiting for my age range to be called for mass vaccination centre. So I’m guessing July sometime.

Could be June if you’re closer to 40 than 30.

Sleeper12 · 22-05-2021 2:40pm

Frankmcll102 wrote:

Got my first dose of Pfizer here in London (thrilled ). Second dose appointment is in 12 weeks. I'm moving back to Ireland over the summer. Does anyone know if I can get my second dose back home (once I'm eligible there)? I can travel back here for it if needs be, but would prefer not to. Though I'm wondering if it would cause a major headache being on two vax systems and not fully vaccinated on either?

Wow 12 weeks? Are you sure you didn't get AZ?

Pfizer is 4 weeks between jabs here in Ireland

Probes · 22-05-2021 2:40pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Just curious, I’m in my 30s and have a history of “essential hypertension” (high blood pressure without an explanation.) So I’ve been on medication for it since my 20s (an Angiotensin II Receptor Blocker (ARB)

Should I have been in a higher risk category? Or, is that regarded as fine as it’s managed?

I’ve just been waiting for my age range to be called for mass vaccination centre. So I’m guessing July sometime.

A question for your gp I think.

astrofool · 22-05-2021 2:40pm

Hardyn wrote: »

That article is inaccurate and seems to be based on a mistranslation of what the BioNTech chief said (fact checking, what's that?) . He was speaking of the cuff and gave a rough number. He did not say "up to".

75% is the efficacy shown against B.1.351. B.1.617.2 doesn't show the same loss in neutralization so is likely to have a much lower drop in efficacy.

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1395795155706335234?s=19

You're completely right, I read the same article then had the word "efficacious" stuck in my head

The drop in attacking antibodies does not necessarily effect the efficacy and the drop is less than B.1.351 which bodes well.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 2:43pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Wow 12 weeks? Are you sure you didn't get AZ?

Pfizer is 4 weeks between jabs here in Ireland

They went off label in the UK and extended the timing between mRNA jabs, contrary to the manufacturers’ recommendations, but with approval of their own regulatory agencies. The aim was to get more first doses done.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 2:46pm

Probes wrote: »

A question for your gp I think.

At this stage, it’ll probably make no difference if it’s June sometime. If it’s going to be July / August I’ll ask more questions.

I’m not planning to put myself in harm’s way until I’m vaccinated. Just keeping a low profile.

Tim Robbins · 22-05-2021 2:53pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Just curious, I’m in my 30s and have a history of “essential hypertension” (high blood pressure without an explanation.) So I’ve been on medication for it since my 20s (an Angiotensin II Receptor Blocker (ARB)

Should I have been in a higher risk category? Or, is that regarded as fine as it’s managed?

I’ve just been waiting for my age range to be called for mass vaccination centre. So I’m guessing July sometime.

Get on to your GP asap .If you go to a consultant get on to them if you're not happy with answer.

Frankmcll102 · 22-05-2021 2:59pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

They went off label in the UK and extended the timing between mRNA jabs, contrary to the manufacturers’ recommendations, but with approval of their own regulatory agencies. The aim was to get more first doses done.

Thanks - I double checked with the vaccinator about the gap and she said it's 12 weeks here regardless of which vaccine you get. As I said not a massive deal getting the second dose here, but if HSE is setup to recognise a first dose from the NHS I'll get it at home once I'm eligible - if anyone has done spoken with HSE about this would be great to know the approach.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 3:02pm

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Get on to your GP asap .If you go to a consultant get on to them if you're not happy with answer.

It’s consultant prescribed but I haven’t been to the consultant in a long long time. One of those things you just keep managing via the GP.

I’ve no underlying cardiac issues (at least that they could fine), I don’t smoke (never did), my diet isn’t a cause - practically veggie, get plenty of exercise, not over weight, yet without meds my BP will wander up to 190/110.

With the ARBs, zero issues and it stays low. No side effects at all, so pretty simple.

I’m guessing I’m probably grand, but if it’s just a few weeks away at this stage it’s neither here nor there. It would have made more difference if it was prioritised months ago and work wise, I’m at zero risk as it’s all in a home bubble and I take a cautious approach to avoiding getting it. I’m not living in a hermetically sealed bubble, but I am just not putting myself into risky situations, as tempting as it would be to hang out and have a few drinks, I’m just chilling and doing my own thing.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 3:04pm

Frankmcll102 wrote: »

Thanks - I double checked with the vaccinator about the gap and she said it's 12 weeks here regardless of which vaccine you get. As I said not a massive deal getting the second dose here, but if HSE is setup to recognise a first dose from the NHS I'll get it at home once I'm eligible - if anyone has done spoken with HSE about this would be great to know the approach.

Maybe ring the HSE Live number and ask or ask a GP here?

Within Ireland: 1850 24 1850
From abroad: +353 1 240 8787

They may have something to facilitate the booster dose based on previous one from the UK.

Corholio · 22-05-2021 3:05pm

Is it too hard to guess at the moment when the late 30's age group will be opened up for booking on the portal? I would presume June sometime?

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 3:10pm

Corholio wrote: »

Is it too hard to guess at the moment when the late 30's age group will be opened up for booking on the portal? I would presume June sometime?

When is the 40-45 one likely to open? I know several ppl in 40-42 range. Just curious what the likely timing would be.

expectationlost · 22-05-2021 3:11pm

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1396099558657204224 hse competence as ever

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 3:13pm

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1396099558657204224 hse competence as ever

I thought this was already resolved and with huge media and publicity about the fact that you could get J&J or AstraZeneca if no mRNA was available and you were happy to proceed and that otherwise, you could opt to wait?

I mean unless you were living under a rock for the last week or two, you’d surely know this? It’s not some obscure memo.

Professor Moriarty · 22-05-2021 3:43pm

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1396099558657204224 hse competence as ever

Yeah. I mean they have sfa to be worrying about these days. Useless dossers.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 4:18pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah. I mean they have sfa to be worrying about these days. Useless dossers.

Sending people home who’ve vaccine appointments is pretty shocking. They operate in a state of permanent crisis anyway, so it’s nothing new.

Personally, I will never get over having waiting over an hour for an ambulance in the middle of a major city because my mother had a stroke on a Sunday. She died 24 hours later. This was before any pandemics.

We don’t have a competent, adequately resourced healthcare system. It’s beyond broken and barely functions even in normal times.

I strongly suspect that’s why we’ve been so badly hit by hackers. If the IT systems are as precariously wobbling along, held together by sellotape and good will, like large chunks of the rest of the system, it’s no surprise it was highly vulnerable.

It’s nothing to do with hardworking staff. They’re run off their feet because the system itself is an absolute mess and has been for decades.

Dismiss it with a quip of you like, but very few people in Ireland have much confidence in the health system or health policy. It will eventually become a major political crisis and it’s actually quite amazing it hasn’t been to date.

The fact that it’s limped though the pandemic without melting down entirely is more of a surprise than something most of us would have taken as a given.

ddarcy · 22-05-2021 4:37pm

Frankmcll102 wrote: »

Got my first dose of Pfizer here in London (thrilled ). Second dose appointment is in 12 weeks. I'm moving back to Ireland over the summer. Does anyone know if I can get my second dose back home (once I'm eligible there)? I can travel back here for it if needs be, but would prefer not to. Though I'm wondering if it would cause a major headache being on two vax systems and not fully vaccinated on either?

If you go through the training guides for the vax centres, this is one of the questions. So yes they would be able to facilitate you. I’d guess you would need to ring the HSE though to get on the system and get set up for the appointment. In short they will put into their system the first dose and then out in the second dose when you are there.

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 4:51pm

ddarcy wrote: »

If you go through the training guides for the vax centres, this is one of the questions. So yes they would be able to facilitate you. I’d guess you would need to ring the HSE though to get on the system and get set up for the appointment. In short they will put into their system the first dose and then out in the second dose when you are there.

Within Ireland: 1850 24 1850
From abroad: +353 1 240 8787

revelman · 22-05-2021 4:53pm

ddarcy wrote: »

If you go through the training guides for the vax centres, this is one of the questions. So yes they would be able to facilitate you. I’d guess you would need to ring the HSE though to get on the system and get set up for the appointment. In short they will put into their system the first dose and then out in the second dose when you are there.

Are these training guides available online?

ddarcy · 22-05-2021 5:26pm

revelman wrote: »

Are these training guides available online?

Yep.

In relation to the question:
[url] https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/dose-1-in-another-country.pdf[/url]

In total for the overview:
[url] https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/hcpinfo/hsecovid19vms.html[/url]

penelope2012 · 22-05-2021 5:58pm

Happy, I got Pfizer this morning in Abbey hotel Roscommon.I had twice texted back new to AZ. In fact I canceled off the portal rang again Monday and was re-entered into it. Got appointment Thursday for today.

revelman · 22-05-2021 6:21pm

Since early April the Germans have been expecting 540,000 J&J doses delivered on the last week of May. This would work out at 32,000 J&J doses arriving for us next week.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Coronavirus/Impfstoff/Lieferprognose_Praxen-Betriebsaerzte_2._Quartal.pdf

penelope2012 · 22-05-2021 6:25pm

My brother and sister in law down for J & J in Brett house Castlebar today and tomorrow. 53 and 54 .

revelman wrote: »

Since early April the Germans have been expecting 540,000 J&J doses delivered on the last week of May. This would work out at 32,000 J&J doses arriving for us next week.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Coronavirus/Impfstoff/Lieferprognose_Praxen-Betriebsaerzte_2._Quartal.pdf

sonofenoch · 22-05-2021 6:39pm

In Citywest today don't know why but I was expecting to walk in when given a timed appointment

:D..........after an hour and a half of being herded like sheep was thinking what was the point of giving a time

Goldengirl · 22-05-2021 6:49pm

My OH got his second dose Pfizer from GP today , high risk.
Efficient , lovely service and in and out in 15 mins .
That's both of us now ...I love this country

Goldengirl · 22-05-2021 6:55pm

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Sending people home who’ve vaccine appointments is pretty shocking. They operate in a state of permanent crisis anyway, so it’s nothing new.

Personally, I will never get over having waiting over an hour for an ambulance in the middle of a major city because my mother had a stroke on a Sunday. She died 24 hours later. This was before any pandemics.

We don’t have a competent, adequately resourced healthcare system. It’s beyond broken and barely functions even in normal times.

I strongly suspect that’s why we’ve been so badly hit by hackers. If the IT systems are as precariously wobbling along, held together by sellotape and good will, like large chunks of the rest of the system, it’s no surprise it was highly vulnerable.

It’s nothing to do with hardworking staff. They’re run off their feet because the system itself is an absolute mess and has been for decades.

Dismiss it with a quip of you like, but very few people in Ireland have much confidence in the health system or health policy. It will eventually become a major political crisis and it’s actually quite amazing it hasn’t been to date.

The fact that it’s limped though the pandemic without melting down entirely is more of a surprise than something most of us would have taken as a given.

You are high risk . Anybody with hypertension is at risk of becoming severely ill if you catch it , so you would be advised to ring your GP and ask for a referral . He is after all prescribing your meds I presume ?

Wolf359f · 22-05-2021 7:59pm

revelman wrote: »

Since early April the Germans have been expecting 540,000 J&J doses delivered on the last week of May. This would work out at 32,000 J&J doses arriving for us next week.

https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Coronavirus/Impfstoff/Lieferprognose_Praxen-Betriebsaerzte_2._Quartal.pdf

Lines up with Belgium's forecast posted earlier.
It will be interesting to see how June pans out numbers wise.

WoollyRedHat · 22-05-2021 8:03pm

Is anyone living with parents that won't get vaccinated? Really tricky situation to be in.

revelman · 22-05-2021 8:11pm

Pfizer and AZ “highly effective” against Indian variant, according to Public Health England.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/22/pfizer-and-astrazeneca-highly-effective-against-india-covid-variant

Both the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs are highly effective at protecting people from the strain of the Covid-19 virus first found in India, a study by Public Health England (PHE) has found.

The analysis, carried out between 5 April and 16 May, found the Pfizer vaccine was 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the India variant two weeks after a second dose, compared with 93% effectiveness against the Kent strain. For its part, the AstraZeneca jab was 60% effective, compared with 66% against the Kent variant over the same period.

The difference in effectiveness between the two vaccines could be due to the rollout of second AstraZeneca doses taking place later than those for the Pfizer jab, PHE said on Saturday. . Data suggests that it takes longer for the AstraZeneca jab to reach maximum effectiveness, so the protection it provides could increase further.

WoollyRedHat · 22-05-2021 8:31pm

What's efficiency rate of Pfizer/AZ after 1 dose against Indian variant?

feelings · 22-05-2021 8:39pm

Hopefully people love it enough to spend as much as they can within the country over the next few months.

Goldengirl wrote: »

My OH got his second dose Pfizer from GP today , high risk.
Efficient , lovely service and in and out in 15 mins .
That's both of us now ...I love this country

KanyeSouthEast · 22-05-2021 8:46pm

feelings wrote: »

Hopefully people love it enough to spend as much as they can within the country over the next few months.

Or abroad if they so wish.

volono · 22-05-2021 8:47pm

I'm starting this thread for people to post any and all links to articles from verifiable sources regarding covid 19 vaccines, their trials, adverse reactions etc, about long covid and anything else others consider useful information re:same.
My reason being , I posted my reasons for not wanting to get the vaccine from what little info. I could find out about them in the anti-vax thread. I was shouted down from the rooftops about they're being completely wrong and that I was an anti-vaxxer. Thankfully some responses I got where alot better and they provided logical reasons as to why , as I can see now , I was woefully misinformed about them. I think therein lies the problem and the reason for this thread

the complete lack of information available to people that's out there, which probably does feed back into the anti-vax stance.
I don't think it's acceptable for me and others to just be told, you have to take the vaccine to save yourself and others. Sorry but just NO, show me the science behind that. The what, why, where and when so to speak. I want and need to know!!!!
I tried to find out this type of information by myself and realise now I failed miserably at it, totally misinformed tbf.
I really think there's a need to have this information readily available to people, to allow them to comprehend the science and reasons behind it so as to alay their fears.
This isn't a place for anti-vaxxers and tit for tat postings.
Links to information as much as possible please.

JPup · 22-05-2021 8:52pm

What kind of information are you looking for? The FDA and EMA have said the vaccines are safe and effective (with very minor qualifications). Loads of info out there in their websites as well as the easier to digest stuff in the media.

Without a phd in science, which I’m assuming you don’t have, how can you hope to truly understand the technicalities of what goes into the vaccines and why they are effective at preventing serious disease?

Micky 32 · 22-05-2021 8:56pm

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

What's efficiency rate of Pfizer/AZ after 1 dose against Indian variant?

From what i’m reading Indian variant : 33% after 1st dose. The UK variant : 51% after 1st dose.

Second dose 81% for the indian scariant and 87% for the UK scariant.

( symptomatic infection)

ClosedAccountFuzzy · 22-05-2021 9:00pm

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are high risk . Anybody with hypertension is at risk of becoming severely ill if you catch it , so you would be advised to ring your GP and ask for a referral . He is after all prescribing your meds I presume ?

Seems it's only hypertension cardiac disease that's covered as high risk. I just have hypertension. There's no underlying cardiac issue - was all checked out.

I'll run it past my GP, but it doesn't seem to be covered.

Beasty · 22-05-2021 9:05pm

Threads merged

feelings · 22-05-2021 9:05pm

Oh... hey there buzz killington... :pac:

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Or abroad if they so wish.

revelman · 22-05-2021 9:16pm

Does anyone know if it is possible to change address on the vaccine portal? I have a friend who is now still living in one part of the country and will likely get the first vaccine there but is soon moving to the opposite end of the country. By the time of the second vaccine, she will be living down here. I guess she could travel back up to get her second dose but has anyone noticed this option in the portal? Or maybe she could do this by phoning?

WoollyRedHat · 22-05-2021 9:17pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

From what i’m reading Indian variant : 33% after 1st dose. The UK variant : 51% after 1st dose.

Second dose 81% for the indian scariant and 87% for the UK scariant.

( symptomatic infection)

Thanks for info but there's no point calling them scariants, they need to be identified, if the media purports doomsday reporting on them that's on them.

Doc07 · 22-05-2021 9:40pm

volono wrote: »

I'm starting this thread for people to post any and all links to articles from verifiable sources regarding covid 19 vaccines, their trials, adverse reactions etc, about long covid and anything else others consider useful information re:same.
My reason being , I posted my reasons for not wanting to get the vaccine from what little info. I could find out about them in the anti-vax thread. I was shouted down from the rooftops about they're being completely wrong and that I was an anti-vaxxer. Thankfully some responses I got where alot better and they provided logical reasons as to why , as I can see now , I was woefully misinformed about them. I think therein lies the problem and the reason for this thread
the complete lack of information available to people that's out there, which probably does feed back into the anti-vax stance.
I don't think it's acceptable for me and others to just be told, you have to take the vaccine to save yourself and others. Sorry but just NO, show me the science behind that. The what, why, where and when so to speak. I want and need to know!!!!
I tried to find out this type of information by myself and realise now I failed miserably at it, totally misinformed tbf.
I really think there's a need to have this information readily available to people, to allow them to comprehend the science and reasons behind it so as to alay their fears.
This isn't a place for anti-vaxxers and tit for tat postings.
Links to information as much as possible please.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/covid-19-vaccines

Knock yourself out , pretty much anything a reasonable person would want to know about vaccines and links to far more detailed info also including the clinical data from the clinical trials of you are really interested.
Lots of info on HPRA.ie also.

Ps vaccines work

Jim_Hodge · 22-05-2021 9:49pm

Any word on a shortage of AZ? I know 4 people all 60 who registered on the first available date but are still waiting on an appointment. Everybody aged 61+ and late 50s that we know are vaccinated. The under 60s were Pfizer.
They all contacted the call centre and were just told that they shouldn't be waiting so long and it would be marked for escalation.

mikeorange · 22-05-2021 10:08pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

From what i’m reading Indian variant : 33% after 1st dose. The UK variant : 51% after 1st dose.

Second dose 81% for the indian scariant and 87% for the UK scariant.

( symptomatic infection)

One and done J&J vaccine is in trouble then? If two doses are needed to neutralize Indian

Goldengirl · 22-05-2021 10:23pm

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Is anyone living with parents that won't get vaccinated? Really tricky situation to be in.

Why not , WoollyRedHat ?

WoollyRedHat · 22-05-2021 10:29pm

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why not , WoollyRedHat ?

Don't know to be honest, my mum has said she's 'waiting to see' whatever that means, worried she has read some of the unsubstantiated claims online about the vaccines online and won't get them because of that. I appreciate vaccine hesitance because of clots issue, but don't think it's because of that, she said she doesn't fear Covid as much anymore, but she would be considered in groups that are at risk.

Goldengirl · 22-05-2021 10:32pm

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Any word on a shortage of AZ? I know 4 people all 60 who registered on the first available date but are still waiting on an appointment. Everybody aged 61+ and late 50s that we know are vaccinated. The under 60s were Pfizer.
They all contacted the call centre and were just told that they shouldn't be waiting so long and it would be marked for escalation.

Yes I have heard of a few HCWs all over 12 weeks and still waiting for their call for 2nd dose .
Being done in MVCs now so it must be what vaccine the particular centre is getting in ?

Micky 32 · 22-05-2021 10:37pm

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

she's 'waiting to see' .

It’s the exact same line i have been hearing from people all this week. 2 elderly people near 80 one with lung problems and their daughter and family. We’ll “ wait and see how this experimental vaccine works out”

Deeper Blue · 22-05-2021 10:51pm

I thought Holohan said there was data coming out from public health England that the vaccines weren't as effective against the India variant? Or was he misquoted?

The fact that they do work is brilliant, but completely unsurprising

revelman · 22-05-2021 10:53pm

Deeper Blue wrote: »

I thought Holohan said there was data coming out from public health England that the vaccines weren't as effective against the India variant? Or was he misquoted?

The fact that they do work is brilliant, but completely unsurprising

I think the concern revolves around the fact that one dose is insufficiently protective. That’s why there is a rush in the U.K. to bring forward second doses. We still have a long way to go on this front. I’m guessing this is where the concern lies.

harr · 22-05-2021 10:54pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s the exact same line i have been hearing from people all this week. 2 elderly people near 80 one with lung problems and their daughter and family. We’ll “ wait and see how this experimental vaccine works out”

I have unfortunately also come across it this week , an aunt of mine was all super excited to get her vaccine on Tuesday but seemingly her daughter convinced her to “ wait and and see “ after a few weeks . I wouldn’t mind but she is diabetic and obese . This is the second time her family have convinced her to hold off.

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