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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭cheezums


    at this point with vulnerable and 50+ vaccinated, the IFR of covid in Ireland must be nearly that of the regular flu surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0522/1223126-fergal-bowers-coronavirus/
    Because of the cyber attack, last week there was no detailed update on the vaccination roll-out, limited Covid-19 case details and hospital activity and delayed updates to regular reports posted on the Health Protection Surveillance Centre website.

    The government is due to have a meeting on the drawing-up of a plan for gradual re-opening over June and July next Friday.

    Does the cyber-attack hinder the government's ability to draw-up that plan, given what I've quoted in this post?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Our CMO and NPHET who have been advising our every move throughout the pandemic are the ones who have been reporting on it.

    "black clouds on the horizon" is how Tony Holahan described it.
    And went on to say the PHE had data that will likely show that there would be a decrease in the effectiveness of the vaccine against transmition.

    So it Is certainly relevent to discuss what he has said on this forum, it is a bit worrying that he would say these things when details about what PHE were not even released at that point. People will say yea but it is better he tells us the truth. But he does seem to be scaremongering with the way he said it.
    And I am someone who has agreed with most of how they have handled things so far.

    Agree 100% . Very poor description from Holohan and blatant misreporting by RTE .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭gipi


    cheezums wrote: »
    at this point with vulnerable and 50+ vaccinated, the IFR of covid in Ireland must be nearly that of the regular flu surely?

    50+ nowhere near vaccinated yet - some parts of the country haven't finished the 60+ cohort yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0522/1223126-fergal-bowers-coronavirus/



    The government is due to have a meeting on the drawing-up of a plan for gradual re-opening over June and July next Friday.

    Does the cyber-attack hinder the government's ability to draw-up that plan, given what I've quoted in this post?

    I suspect they have internal reports on all these metrics, probably not detailed enough for public scrutiny tho.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    wadacrack wrote: »

    This is essentially what Holohan said yesterday without the figures " we have to examine the data first " , so he must have known this .
    Why then did he play up the negativity and bs about black clouds with George Lee when he knew he would run with any bit of negativity ?

    Very unfair to leave people like that worrying over something that isn't going to change anything over here as long as we all get our 2 jabs .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is essentially what Holohan said yesterday without the figures " we have to examine the data first " , so he must have known this .
    Why then did he play up the negativity and bs about black clouds with George Lee when he knew he would run with any bit of negativity ?

    Very unfair to leave people like that worrying over something that isn't going to change anything over here as long as we all get our 2 jabs .

    Because that's what he wanted to happen. NPHET are very against international travel at any point in the medium term future and I can't see them liking all this talk of international travel that's being discussed over the last week or two and will be talked about more in the coming weeks. This was their way of putting a dampener on that and unfortunately it might work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1396032519536005120

    Cannot be too difficult to get the numbers of vaccinated out if Reid is tweeting them. I wonder is the reluctance to do with the amount vaccinated and falling behind their own timelines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Someone in HSE or Department of Health communications really needs to manually update information to the various sites tracking international vaccine rollouts. Ireland is looking like a serious laggard due to lack of data due to the hack and it has both domestic political consequences and consequences for people making business decisions.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1396032519536005120

    Cannot be too difficult to get the numbers of vaccinated out if Reid is tweeting them. I wonder is the reluctance to do with the amount vaccinated and falling behind their own timelines.

    Or maybe there’s another reason there is trouble getting accurate information compiled at the moment. Any ideas?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Someone in HSE or Department of Health communications really needs to manually update information to the various sites tracking international vaccine rollouts. Ireland is looking like a serious laggard due to lack of data due to the hack and it has both domestic political consequences and consequences for people making business decisions.

    The “sites” are essentially keen amateurs not any official records. I would treat the data from any country on them as provisional at best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    The “sites” are essentially keen amateurs not any official records. I would treat the data from any country on them as provisional at best

    I’m just seeing a lot of people going into off the deep end “only in Ireland” commentary due to going off stats that are up to 10 days out of date and being compared to accurate states from the rest of the EU.

    At the very least they need to be greyed out until further notice.

    All they’re going to do by getting accurate data out is fuel conspiracy theories, public anger, decisions being made on the basis that it looks like Ireland is way behind when it isn’t and just generally making people feel hopeless too.

    It needs to be sorted.

    Computa Says No! isn’t an acceptable response, particularly when they obviously have the data if senior officials are tweeting.

    Basic communications stuff! Really this is “An introduction to pubic relations - 101”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Just wondering if the Numbers per County have stopped being released ?
    If No - where can I find them ?

    TIA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭gipi


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Just wondering if the Numbers per County have stopped being released ?
    If No - where can I find them ?

    TIA

    I don't think there's been a county breakdown available since about 14th May, when the HSE were hacked.
    The number of cases being issued daily is actually the number of swabs, as that's all they have for now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Do they actually have any data or are we running blind at the moment?

    While hacks happen, this really is looking like a monumental level of incompetence. I had zero faith in the HSE being able to do this properly and it seems like my hunch was correct.

    Reports on Twitter that people in their 40s are being turned away because they’re under 50, having been offered J&J by the portal despite all the days of discussion about how J&J is going to available to them if mRNA options aren’t.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1396099558657204224?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭gipi


    Do they actually have any data or are we running blind at the moment?

    While hacks happen, this really is looking like a monumental level of incompetence. I had zero faith in the HSE being able to do this properly and it seems like my hunch was correct.

    Reports on Twitter that people in their 40s are being turned away because they’re under 50, having been offered J&J by the portal despite all the days of discussion about how J&J is going to available to them if mRNA options aren’t.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1396099558657204224?s=21

    Is that because people could register once they were in their 50th year?
    I was able to register as a 60 yr old although I won't be 60 till later in the year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Nothing to do with that. They seem to be getting turned down on the basis that J&J is not for under 50s, despite the change in policy to allow it to be used if mRNA wasn’t available.

    They seem to have been just turned away, despite having all the valid appointments.

    The 40s cohort is being dosed at the moment.

    Seems the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Or maybe there’s another reason there is trouble getting accurate information compiled at the moment. Any ideas?


    Why is he tweeting numbers then? I presume he is getting them from some source or do you think he is just making them up?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why is he tweeting numbers then? I presume he is getting them from some source or do you think he is just making them up?

    Because he has a guesstimate based on scheduled vaccinations as the booking system is not impacted.

    Or maybe it’s because they are hiding the real numbers. What do you really think is more likely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Why is he tweeting numbers then? I presume he is getting them from some source or do you think he is just making them up?

    He did say approx.

    He didn't state any definitive numbers and for a perfectly obvious reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Someone in HSE or Department of Health communications really needs to manually update information to the various sites tracking international vaccine rollouts. Ireland is looking like a serious laggard due to lack of data due to the hack and it has both domestic political consequences and consequences for people making business decisions.


    Agreed, but the priority is getting medical services back online at the moment. A tracker is lower priority than that, much as we'd love to know the numbers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nothing to do with that. They seem to be getting turned down on the basis that J&J is not for under 50s, despite the change in policy to allow it to be used if mRNA wasn’t available.

    They seem to have been just turned away, despite having all the valid appointments.

    The 40s cohort is being dosed at the moment.

    Seems the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
    You'd expect J&J to be used for the over 50s first and there are plenty of them left. Supplies are not that large at present but there may be scope for the over 45s in a few weeks' time, when they'll start getting vaccinations in much larger numbers anyway. There is also talk of putting J&J into pharmacies.
    That said, it's also possible that Pfizer/Moderna will take care of our needs and we'll be done with J&J sooner than planned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Very insensitive behaviour yesterday describing the Indian variant that way. If I was a vulnerable person reading those headlines I would now be concerned about my vaccine status potentially not actually protecting me, and would not be totally comfortable going back to living normally knowing it's began to circulate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Sorry if it's been asked, don't want to read entire thread. Anyone know the deal on vaccine efficacy on preventing transmission, and if it varies by strain? We're next door to my parents who have kind of let their guard down completely since being vaccinated, but OH is at risk group and I'm pregnant and worried about covid related placentitis. Just not sure if we should distance from them until the baby is here and we both have our vaccines! I don't have the energy to argue with them every time they go out for "essentials" like pots of paint and cake :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭ClosedAccountFuzzy


    Agreed, but the priority is getting medical services back online at the moment. A tracker is lower priority than that, much as we'd love to know the numbers!

    There are huge government communication units that could handle this that will in absolutely no way undermine the ability for the HSE to respond.

    You don’t need HSE staff or IT consultants going checking websites and contacting them, but surely some unit in some government department can do so.

    Literally 1 or 2 communication officers could resolve this!

    Just keep the public information flowing and ensure that you don’t have inaccurate or out of date info appearing on various highly visited sites.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Sorry if it's been asked, don't want to read entire thread. Anyone know the deal on vaccine efficacy on preventing transmission, and if it varies by strain? We're next door to my parents who have kind of let their guard down completely since being vaccinated, but OH is at risk group and I'm pregnant and worried about covid related placentitis. Just not sure if we should distance from them until the baby is here and we both have our vaccines! I don't have the energy to argue with them every time they go out for "essentials" like pots of paint and cake :D
    That whole child becoming the parent turnaround is a shock to system! There are no real issues with variants at present but there is constant worry and genuine concern.
    Even if there might be a risk of transmission, all vaccines prevent serious illness. I think you've answered your own questions about visits but keep after them about the cake!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That whole child becoming the parent turnaround is a shock to system! There are no real issues with variants at present the constant worry and genuine concern.
    Even if there might be a risk of transmission, all vaccines prevent serious illness. I think you've answered your own questions about visits but keep after them about the cake!

    So their vaccine will prevent serious illness in them but they could still in theory transmit to us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Antares35 wrote: »
    So their vaccine will prevent serious illness in them but they could still in theory transmit to us?
    Ongoing data on it suggest it's a very small risk. Here's GAVI on it.

    https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,278 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    is_that_so wrote: »

    I would not consider half the risk to be "very small". That risk reduction has a massive effect at population level, not so much at individual level.

    If I was in that position I wouldn't be spending time indoors with them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Lumen wrote: »
    I would not consider half the risk to be "very small". That risk reduction has a massive effect at population level, not so much at individual level.

    If I was in that position I wouldn't be spending time indoors with them.

    This is my concern. They keep going on about statistics and that (my parents that is) and I know the risk is low, but I think about the 11 women who had stillbirths, many of whom were asymptomatic, and I think statistics are a cold comfort when your baby is one of them :( last week they allowed in visitors who "were ok as they were vaccinated". When I asked them for more details it turned out their visitors had one dose of AZ...


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