Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

normanoffside · 20-05-2021 09:22PM

jellies wrote: »

Can't believe that the EU Commission has been conned by the snake oil salesmen. Need to get our experts Tony and his sidekick Phil on the phone fast to sort it out. Better still, let's send them over all expenses paid for as long as they need (with a one way ticket on the ferry because we don't have an aviation industry any more).

Snake oil will now be accepted to gain restriction free access to the country.
How will they spin this to the gullible public who believe every word that NPHET tells them?

faceman · 20-05-2021 09:57PM

Interested developments with the travel cert. One jab is enough to cover you rather than being “fully vaccinated”. Best case scenario sees it live by June 1st but most likely will be later in June.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/20/deal-reached-to-introduce-an-eu-wide-covid-travel-pass

KanyeSouthEast · 20-05-2021 09:57PM

So all in all a good day for those of us who hope to travel very soon? Looks like we’ve finally turned a corner. The main obstacle now comes from within from reading the posts here primarily through NPHET and the anti travel brigade?

naufragos123 · 20-05-2021 10:07PM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

The flights for a fiver to Spain were so tempting. I jumped.

I don't want to lie to a guard. I am flexible. I might even go to the airport and turn around. I might not. I don't know. June 2nd will tell a lot.

Fair play to you. There are quite a few, from Dublin, Cork and Shannon. I wonder if they'll succeed. I wonder if many booked. The catch is that you have to book today and the real decider won't be until 2nd June.

gozunda · 20-05-2021 10:09PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Snake oil will now be accepted to gain restriction free access to the country.
How will they spin this to the gullible public who believe every word that NPHET tells them?

It won't.

Self administered antigen tests are not permitted to be used for travel purposes as detailed.

ngunners · 20-05-2021 10:22PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Finally moving in the right direction. Let's see what roadmap the government lays out next week.

2 cents

I expect that we will be able to travel during the potential 6 week implementation period but with PCR and home quarantine perhaps. Maybe an exclusion of sorts depending on vacation status.

After 6 weeks, full buy in to the new system provided there isn't a large uptick in hospitalisations

This would be the most logical approach so there’s at least a 10% chance it’s what the government will decide.

Klonker · 20-05-2021 10:32PM

faceman wrote: »

Interested developments with the travel cert. One jab is enough to cover you rather than being “fully vaccinated”. Best case scenario sees it live by June 1st but most likely will be later in June.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/20/deal-reached-to-introduce-an-eu-wide-covid-travel-pass

I'm just hoping they remove the 2k fine when it expires on 2nd June. I'll happily take PCR before both flights and isolate until I take a home antigen test the day after arrive back in Ireland.

Chris_5339762 · 20-05-2021 10:36PM

My only worry. All of those articles mention Schengen. Since we're not in Schengen, can that be used as a sneaky get-out clause? At least until September when the shcools are back?

sy_flembeck · 20-05-2021 10:43PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

My only worry. All of those articles mention Schengen. Since we're not in Schengen, can that be used as a sneaky get-out clause? At least until September when the shcools are back?

Thankfully that won't wash this year. The game is up

Micky 32 · 20-05-2021 11:33PM

Maybe a bit of optimism from MM?

“The Taoiseach Micheál Martin told the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party meeting last night: "We are in a different space with vaccination and as a small open economy aviation is really important. We must ensure connectivity for tourism, the economy and future growth."

Gr1998 · 21-05-2021 02:29AM

Does anybody know what the situation is for self connecting flights to Spain through England?? If you were to do so and say for example booked a self connecting flight home from Spain via Uk to Ireland and the flight back to Ireland from England was only 5 hours after your arrival from Spain, as this is still technically transiting, would you just need to give a Locator Form and a Negative PCR to English authorities and then be allowed to proceed on your journey to Ireland??

Lumen · 21-05-2021 04:35AM

Gr1998 wrote: »

Does anybody know what the situation is for self connecting flights to Spain through England?? If you were to do so and say for example booked a self connecting flight home from Spain via Uk to Ireland and the flight back to Ireland from England was only 5 hours after your arrival from Spain, as this is still technically transiting, would you just need to give a Locator Form and a Negative PCR to English authorities and then be allowed to proceed on your journey to Ireland??

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-safer-air-travel-guidance-for-passengers#transiting-through-the-uk

Golfman64 · 21-05-2021 06:58AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aviation-interests-let-fly-at-government-over-state-of-industry-and-lack-of-recovery-plan-1.4570718

Great article in the IT this morning. Really highlights the dithering incompetence of the Irish gov here and even worse the affects this will have in the short and medium term.

jellies · 21-05-2021 07:35AM

gozunda wrote: »

It won't.

Self administered antigen tests are not permitted to be used for travel purposes as detailed.

US CDC allows self administered antigen tests under remote supervision by a telehealth service provider.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftravelers%2Ftesting-air-travel.html

Does a self-test meet the conditions of the Order?

International air passengers traveling to the United States can use a self-test (sometimes referred to as home test) that meets the following criteria:

The test must be a SARS-CoV-2 viral test (nucleic acid amplification test [NAAT] or antigen test) with Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
The testing procedure must include a telehealth service affiliated with the manufacturer of the test that provides real-time supervision remotely through an audio and video connection. Some FDA-authorized self-tests that include a telehealth service may require a prescription.
The telehealth provider must confirm the person’s identity, observe the specimen collection and testing procedures, confirm the test result, and issue a report that meets the requirements of CDC’s Order (see “What information must be included in the test result?” below).

MaryBrowne21 · 21-05-2021 09:07AM

I got the same for Aer Lingus email with cancellation for Lanzarote at end June only for them to email 5 hours later with a change to schedule email no mention of flights being cancelled.

brickster69 · 21-05-2021 09:13AM

Uk added to Spain's green list

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/21/spain-travel-uk-tourists-allowed-to-enter-without-quarantine-from-monday-14620276/?ito=push-notification&ci=178963&si=22786189&ai=14620276

gozunda · 21-05-2021 09:15AM

jellies wrote: »

US CDC allows self administered antigen tests under remote supervision by a telehealth service provider.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Ftravelers%2Ftesting-air-travel.html

Does a self-test meet the conditions of the Order?

International air passengers traveling to the United States can use a self-test (sometimes referred to as home test) that meets the following criteria:

The test must be a SARS-CoV-2 viral test (nucleic acid amplification test [NAAT] or antigen test) with Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
The testing procedure must include a telehealth service affiliated with the manufacturer of the test that provides real-time supervision remotely through an audio and video connection. Some FDA-authorized self-tests that include a telehealth service may require a prescription.
The telehealth provider must confirm the person’s identity, observe the specimen collection and testing procedures, confirm the test result, and issue a report that meets the requirements of CDC’s Order (see “What information must be included in the test result?” below).

I believe the comment replied to concerned the EU vaccine passport

But if you want to add useless information

Plus the US are only permitting its own citizens and certain residents entry atm - so yeah extraneous information on what the US is doing is a bit moot tbf.

Valhallapt · 21-05-2021 09:24AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Uk added to Spain's green list

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/21/spain-travel-uk-tourists-allowed-to-enter-without-quarantine-from-monday-14620276/?ito=push-notification&ci=178963&si=22786189&ai=14620276

Quick, book your train tickets to Belfast before it’s sold out!

M_Murphy57 · 21-05-2021 09:31AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

From the NI website:

"Essential travel within the Common Travel Area
From Monday 24 May, travel within the Common Travel Area will be permitted. Essential reasons will no longer be required....

New exemptions from 24 May
A new exemption from self-isolation will be available from Monday 24 May.

This means you will not have to self-isolate for 10 days if you are arriving into Northern Ireland from within the Common Travel Area to visit family or friends, however the public health advice is to take a pre-departure Lateral Flow Device (LFD) test, and then a LFD test on day 2 and day 8 post arrival in NI."

Are they saying you are advised to take an LFD or that you are legally obliged to at peril of being turned around ?

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-within-common-travel-area

Edited to make it clear this is even after non essential travel is permitted

Just quoting myself as dont think I saw a reply and saw the posts about booking from belfast this morning in light of spanish news.

This is on the NI website but includes travel within the CTA. Does anyone know what this means?

Is this just "advice" or are they suggesting they will turn around people from within the CTA (so flights/ferries from UK...though technically includes the 26 counties too) if they dont have proof of taking a lateral flow?

Feria40 · 21-05-2021 09:48AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Uk added to Spain's green list

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/21/spain-travel-uk-tourists-allowed-to-enter-without-quarantine-from-monday-14620276/?ito=push-notification&ci=178963&si=22786189&ai=14620276

And so it begins in earnest

dashoonage · 21-05-2021 09:58AM

I look forward to waving at Leo from my Ryanair flight. I'm going to tweet him pics of my holidays.

mmclo · 21-05-2021 10:37AM

titan18 wrote: »

Sounds like a country can only introduce restrictions on the certificate if they meet some sort of ECDC requirements. They can't go lone wolf on it

In reality most EU countries have had an ECDC like approach to date, except our own, most for example refer to the maps and orange and red etc

I've also noticed as they reopen they have gradually being consolidating around similar language to the Green Cert even in advance of it being adopted

mmclo · 21-05-2021 10:41AM

eltonyio wrote: »

Interesting report on it here: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/20/deal-reached-to-introduce-an-eu-wide-covid-travel-pass

This says that one dose will suffice for it. Great news if so, but I can't see that being right is it?

Bloomberg is also reporting that 'all 27 governments will be required to waive quarantine requirements for those inoculated with shots approved by the bloc’s drugs regulator' (would seem to be the timely end of MHQ so) and it also looks like a serious injection of cash into making tests affordable .

Good news all round if it all comes to pass.

It's good news but some of that seems very optimistic and the media do tend not to read the actual legal text, seems Governments can still have stricter restrictions but these will be closely monitored so along the proper considerations of proportionality

mmclo · 21-05-2021 10:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Reuters with a decent summary article of what was agreed today

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1395434150635659264?s=19

Yes definitely one of the better pieces

faceman · 21-05-2021 10:47AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Uk added to Spain's green list

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/21/spain-travel-uk-tourists-allowed-to-enter-without-quarantine-from-monday-14620276/?ito=push-notification&ci=178963&si=22786189&ai=14620276

Spain is on U.K. amber list with U.K. gov saying essential travel only. Beyond property owners I’m not expecting to see a big influx of U.K. tourists here in Spain until U.K. updates it’s guidance

mmclo · 21-05-2021 11:00AM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

My only worry. All of those articles mention Schengen. Since we're not in Schengen, can that be used as a sneaky get-out clause? At least until September when the shcools are back?

No this is not a "Schengen" measure, its under freedom of movement, Art 21 TFEU

The other Recommendation on external entry to the EU is a JHA one (Shengen Acquis) mainly Art 72

21-05-2021 11:00AM

One jab down, another one in four weeks.
My world is opening up again

I see sheep · 21-05-2021 11:02AM

faceman wrote: »

Spain is on U.K. amber list with U.K. gov saying essential travel only. Beyond property owners I’m not expecting to see a big influx of U.K. tourists here in Spain until U.K. updates it’s guidance

Don't know about that.

With so many people wfh I think there'll be plenty who think a 10 day quarantine on return will be doable and worth it.

mmclo · 21-05-2021 11:05AM

Claire Byrne on the job, expecting tears and snots or maybe ISAG storm the studio!

jsoc · 21-05-2021 11:28AM

dashoonage wrote: »

I look forward to waving at Leo from my Ryanair flight. I'm going to tweet him pics of my holidays.

The last time I flew anywhere was in September to Berlin..
Ireland-> Germany Green list
Germany->Ireland Green list

It was like a golden opportunity to travel , a small temporary break in the Covid storm..so I jumped at the chance....glad I did as it turns out..the covid storm soon returned again.

Why do I mention this? Well Leo was on the Dublin->Berlin flight...I'm going to assume official business

I did not bother to wave at him ;-)

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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