Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

MOR316 · 20-05-2021 01:21AM

Degag wrote: »

Can you quantify ‘****e health system?’ Why do you think that? Presumably in the context of Covid?

We are now vaccinating in excess of 5% of our population every week.

Don't have to take my word for it but, I'm friends with two people who worked in the health system, up until December and March respectively...

Since I've known them, all they've talked/vented about is how **** it is. Under staffed, capacity, unfair payment, poor working conditions...I stopped listening after awhile
And that was before Covid

PTH2009 · 20-05-2021 01:22AM

Degag wrote: »

Can you quantify ‘****e health system?’ Why do you think that? Presumably in the context of Covid?

We are now vaccinating in excess of 5% of our population every week.

One in danger of been overrun

Degag · 20-05-2021 01:23AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Inside looking outside. We're not in their countries so unless we know people or actually read their media, we don't know the ins and outs.

And sorry but, people have to accept this, regardless of whether you love them or hate them. The Government and NPHET's approach and wording to certain situations at certain points during all this hasn't helped anyone's understanding or patience for the current predicament.

I genuinely thought at one point that Tony Holohan was pushing for celebrity status with his talk show appearances and acting the ginnit on radio shows. It was utterly farcical and once this is over, people will look back at that aspect and go, "Man, what the hell was he doing?"
And that's just one example...

Of course the government and NPHET made mistakes. I’d be worried if anyone legitimately thought that they didn’t. Or even worse, people thinking they shouldn’t.

Its how you react to those mistakes.

Have they done an exemplary job overall? Probably not.

Have they done a good job overall? I think so yes.

Degag · 20-05-2021 01:27AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

One in danger of been overrun

That’s a strange response.

MOR316 · 20-05-2021 01:39AM

Degag wrote: »

Of course the government and NPHET made mistakes. I’d be worried if anyone legitimately thought that they didn’t. Or even worse, people thinking they shouldn’t.

Its how you react to those mistakes.

Have they done an exemplary job overall? Probably not.

Have they done a good job overall? I think so yes.

It is also a psychological thing...The words and phrase you use can determine people's reaction.

For an unelected health official, who is only there in an advisory capacity, to go on live national TV and say the phrase, "We are allowing you..." would tick anyone off.

Is anyone advising these guys?

EDIT: Stupid question. I know the answer

Graham · 20-05-2021 01:39AM

Degag wrote: »

That’s a strange response.

Particularly as it's not the case now.

Graham · 20-05-2021 01:40AM

MOR316 wrote: »

For an unelected health official, who is only there in an advisory capacity, to go on live national TV and say the phrase, "We are allowing you..." would tick anyone off.

I head the phrase reported.

Can't say I read much into it. Can't say I was particularly bothered by it one way or the other.

MOR316 · 20-05-2021 01:51AM

Graham wrote: »

I head the phrase reported.

Can't say I read much into it. Can't say I was particularly bothered by it one way or the other.

That's fair enough. More power to you and your prerogative but, you're one person in 4.9million.
It bothered me and I know it's bothered some on here.

Either way, my point still stands. Some of these people need a lesson in public speaking. Politicians included

suicide_circus · 20-05-2021 07:12AM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Is there any other European country that is so slow at opening up as ourselves?

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1394929316551561227

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Literally none. We are the most backwards country on earth at this point.

Degag wrote: »

Stick your finger randomly on a map of the world and go there for 6 months.

There's a very good chance you'll be crawling back on your hands and feet with a slightly different attitude.

Thing is, he's not permitted to leave the island unless the authorities deem it "essential". Police have set up checkpoints on the approach roads to the airport to quiz those trying to leave. He may be allowed off it in August but we're really not sure.

TP_CM · 20-05-2021 07:28AM

I need to fly to the UK in the middle of June. Over and back on the same day. How does that work from a covid testing perspective? I need to get a test before I fly over there, but what about coming back?

TomSweeney · 20-05-2021 07:41AM

Degag wrote: »

Some people equate backwardness with not being able to have a pint rather than saving as many lives of the elderly, vulnerable, general population as possible.

Says a lot.

Disingenuous to say the least, elderly are vaccinated, as are most of the vulnerable.

Happydays2020 · 20-05-2021 07:48AM

Graham wrote: »

Particularly as it's not the case now.

Good chance it will be the case come January if there is a flu. Will not be able to shut down the economy then and normal service of not getting bang for our tax buck will continue.

20-05-2021 08:28AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Not much use when the National Athletics Championships are end of June. They have to take place before the closure of the Olympic qualification window end of June, otherwise the significant world ranking points for athletes chasing Olympic spots will be lost.

So, now if they power ahead with Nationals under ridiculous restrictions, most of us will get the boot, and they'll have to cherry pick a few athletes to invite, which makes a mockery of a national championships.

Or, you know, use their imagination and schedule six sessions over 3 days with no overlap in competitors

Boggles · 20-05-2021 08:35AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

They don't get to choose if it gets cancelled or not. The IOC do. See my previous post.

Of course they do, it's Japan.

People are getting tied up in the legal mechanism for it, ultimately it will be a political decision based off opinion and reality of the situation.

It will be framed as a joint decision, with promises of money, etc.

Their vaccination program has been glacial.

14th May

Inoculations started in Japan in mid-February and only about 1% of the population has been fully vaccinated. Less than one-third of the 4.8 million prioritized medical workers have received their second shots

50/50 whether they go ahead IMHO.

M_Murphy57 · 20-05-2021 08:36AM

TP_CM wrote: »

I need to fly to the UK in the middle of June. Over and back on the same day. How does that work from a covid testing perspective? I need to get a test before I fly over there, but what about coming back?

Test has to be taken within 72 hours of travel so actually the 1 test taken in dublin before you go *should* cover both directions. Just be careful with 72 hour cut off. I've heard of people turned around cos the test was 30 minutes out.

paw patrol · 20-05-2021 10:16AM

TP_CM wrote: »

I need to fly to the UK in the middle of June. Over and back on the same day. How does that work from a covid testing perspective? I need to get a test before I fly over there, but what about coming back?

rang the dept of foreign yest myself about travel , not UK though.
they say you need a PCR to get back into Ireland too.

Actually thought (as I had covid) I'd be exempt from getting a PCR test.
despite the proposed Eu vaccine passport having a "recovered" option.

I may need to get a test before I book to ensure PCR isnt picking up fragments of covid and I'd be stranded ....

indo had an article about irish stranded abroad cos the kept failing the PCR - which is my fear

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/frantic-calls-from-irish-people-trapped-abroad-as-they-repeatedly-received-residual-positive-covid-tests-40418573.html

if you flew from belfast , that may be different but I don't know.

Graham · 20-05-2021 10:18AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Good chance it will be the case come January if there is a flu.

Completely irrelevant in the context of covid restriction.

Graham · 20-05-2021 10:19AM

MOR316 wrote: »

That's fair enough. More power to you and your prerogative but, you're one person in 4.9million.
It bothered me and I know it's bothered some on here.

True

Maybe I just don't sweat the tiny little things. YMMV

hamburgham · 20-05-2021 10:24AM

I wouldn't mind a prolonged period of weather like today to put an end to the outdoor Summer crap.

(Don't get me started on people spending a fortune on garden furniture for their 'outdoor room')

Why haven't we normal travel and gyms, restaurants, cinemas and hotels open as normal? Why is this crap still going on? Sorry,listening to Pat today has really set me off.

Boggles · 20-05-2021 10:33AM

hamburgham wrote: »

Why haven't we normal travel, gyms, restaurants, cinemas, hotel open as normal? Why is this crap still going on?

I heard something about a global pandemic.

Penfailed · 20-05-2021 10:57AM

hamburgham wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a prolonged period of weather like today to put an end to the outdoor Summer crap.

(Don't get me started on peope spending a fortune on garden furniture for their 'outdoor room')

That's just spiteful. All those people spending a fortune are keeping the money flowing for that economy thing.

opinionated3 · 20-05-2021 12:24PM

hamburgham wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a prolonged period of weather like today to put an end to the outdoor Summer crap.

(Don't get me started on peope spending a fortune on garden furniture for their 'outdoor room')

Why haven't we normal travel, gyms, restaurants, cinemas, hotel open as normal? Why is this crap still going on? Sorry,listening to Pat today has really set me off.

You're right. If this weather continues it will essentially put this outdoor dining crap in the dustbin and put the pressure on to allow normal socialising to resume asap. Which it should. The vulnerable are vaccinated, let's move on.

FlubberJones · 20-05-2021 12:28PM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's just spiteful. All those people spending a fortune are keeping the money flowing for that economy thing.

What a load of rubbish, they're doing it as they have NOTHING ELSE available, I 100% doubt that its being done for the benefit of the economy.

And as was originally posted, the "summer outdoors" is bull****, we all know thes weather here.

growleaves · 20-05-2021 12:31PM

hamburgham wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a prolonged period of weather like today to put an end to the outdoor Summer crap..

It doesn't work like that though. The sunshine is the only chance of living your life in a free way.

All the government will do is unwind slowly inch by inch and Martin is "hopeful" he won't be putting us back in lockdown in September.

Boggles · 20-05-2021 12:42PM

growleaves wrote: »

It doesn't work like that though. The sunshine is the only chance of living your life in a free way.

That would be the vaccines.

Penfailed · 20-05-2021 12:45PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

What a load of rubbish, they're doing it as they have NOTHING ELSE available, I 100% doubt that its being done for the benefit of the economy.

Really? That's not what I said. I didn't say it was being done for the benefit of the economy. It's indisputable that people 'spending a fortune' will benefit the economy however.

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 01:58PM

growleaves wrote: »

It doesn't work like that though. The sunshine is the only chance of living your life in a free way.

All the government will do is unwind slowly inch by inch and Martin is "hopeful" he won't be putting us back in lockdown in September.

But why would we be back in lockdown? Herd immunity by then, practically zero hospitalistions, practically zero deaths. We could have hundreds of cases a day, but they would be irrelevant. So why lockdown? Bearing in mind the vaccines work against all known variants.

growleaves · 20-05-2021 03:56PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

But why would we be back in lockdown? Herd immunity by then, practically zero hospitalistions, practically zero deaths. We could have hundreds of cases a day, but they would be irrelevant. So why lockdown? Bearing in mind the vaccines work against all known variants.

I'm not saying there is any reason to be back in lockdown.

What I'm doing to taking a careful note of public rhetoric from the country's leadership and taking it seriously.

M. Martin has indicated we may be back in lockdown this autumn/winter and Varadkar has also said this. They have given no explanation as to why this might be the case.

I refuse to treat these statements as meaningless simply because I can't personally explain the reasoning behind them.

Every time Martin is asked about another lockdown, his answer is some of variation of "maybe".

Silentcorner · 20-05-2021 04:01PM

And no one in Government is offering any solution alternative to lock down when we do get hit with a new variant, which is inevitable.

dominatinMC · 20-05-2021 04:12PM

growleaves wrote: »

I'm not saying there is any reason to be back in lockdown.

What I'm doing to taking a careful note of public rhetoric from the country's leadership and taking it seriously.

M. Martin has indicated we may be back in lockdown this autumn/winter and Varadkar has also said this. They have given no explanation as to why this might be the case.

I refuse to treat these statements as meaningless simply because I can't personally explain the reasoning behind them.

Every time Martin is asked about another lockdown, his answer is some of variation of "maybe".

Genuinely curious, and not having a go or anything, but do you have any sources for this?
I've seen MM say that "he can't rule them out", but that is just being ultra conservative and cautious - which we know MM is. I don't think I've seen anything as suggestive as a "maybe" to indicate we will be back in lockdown.

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