Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

gozunda · 20-05-2021 06:41AM

Gael23 wrote: »

My Irish relatives in the US are coming to Ireland in July for the first time in 18 months

Genuine question but how does that work with regard to travel insurance etc when the US have Ireland designated as 'Level 4 - Do Not Travel.'?

M_Murphy57 · 20-05-2021 07:03AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I half heard something similar on Today FM earlier and I think the government have a big Travel announcement next week?

Perhaps it's confirmation that the fines are no more

They need to let Vaccinated people travel freely to other countries that are open to vaccinated people. I can't remember a more shyte May weather wise and people are going stir crazy to leave the country

Let the fully Vaccinated people travel

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0519/1222694-international-travel-virus/

"Ireland will need a "very big and attractive incentive package" to get airlines back, he said, but passengers must be allowed to fly again.

He added: "We are just not at that point, for public health reasons."

Mr Varadkar said he wants to repeal the "draconian legislation" limiting people's movements as soon as it is right to do so, but "unfortunately it is still necessary", and that it is why it will be extended, he added."

Translation: FFG make noises about allowing travel on one side of their mouth whilst saying they will extend measures to prevent travel out the other side.

Scumbags.

JMNolan · 20-05-2021 07:59AM

I wonder how much of FFG change of mind was forced on them by the EU deciding to let fully-vaccinated passengers allowed to enter EU for holidays. As with everything else, I suspect the EU decides and FFG follow. Just as well the EU appreciate the need to travel.

20-05-2021 08:02AM

JMNolan wrote: »

Just as well the EU appreciate the need to travel.

Essential travel never stopped.

Happydays2020 · 20-05-2021 08:06AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Essential travel never stopped.

True but what is essential for some was not necessarily the same as what was deemed essential in law. And with MHQ it pretty much did restrict travel to some countries in the EU.

20-05-2021 08:15AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

True but what is essential for some was not necessarily the same as what was deemed essential in law. And with MHQ it pretty much did restrict travel to some countries in the EU.

Doesn't matter what individuals deemed essential to themselves! Actual essential travel didn't stop.

JMNolan · 20-05-2021 08:16AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Essential travel never stopped.

I didn't say essential travel. I said travel. All travel

20-05-2021 08:18AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I didn't say essential travel. I said travel. All travel

No you said 'the need to travel'
Need is essential. Anything else is just want

Golfman64 · 20-05-2021 08:18AM

Feria40 wrote: »

Flash Ryanair sale €5 each way on plenty flights to Europe. Catch is that you have to travel in June. Worth a punt pending what the gov announces next week.

Worst comes to worst just change your flights and put the tenner against a flight later in the Summer

Eamon Ryan: €10 flights are a thing of the past.

Michael O’Leary; You’re not wrong Eamon, how about €5?

Gotta love stuffing it to that numpty Ryan.

JMNolan · 20-05-2021 08:21AM

bubblypop wrote: »

No you said 'the need to travel'
Need is essential. Anything else is just want

Need is very much case dependent. I need to travel soon. You might not deem it a need but I do. And, it looks I will be free to do so.

20-05-2021 08:25AM

JMNolan wrote: »

Need is very much case dependent. I need to travel soon. You might not deem it a need but I do. And, it looks I will be free to do so.

Doesn't matter if you or I deem it essential, the law states what is.
Hopefully you will be free to do so, this can't go on forever.

M_Murphy57 · 20-05-2021 08:25AM

JMNolan wrote: »

I wonder how much of FFG change of mind was forced on them by the EU deciding to let fully-vaccinated passengers allowed to enter EU for holidays. As with everything else, I suspect the EU decides and FFG follow. Just as well the EU appreciate the need to travel.

The only countries currently on the EUs list are Oz, NZ and Israel. Not quite throwing the doors wide open, but I expect the EU will move quicker to add others like the US.

JMNolan · 20-05-2021 08:28AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

The only countries currently on the EUs list are Oz, NZ and Israel. Not quite throwing the doors wide open, but I expect the EU will move quicker to add others like the US.

The decision to expand the safe list of countries will be taken by EU ambassadors on Friday.

Currently there are only eight countries on the list, including Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Israel.

Valhallapt · 20-05-2021 08:40AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Doesn't matter if you or I deem it essential, the law states what is.
Hopefully you will be free to do so, this can't go on forever.

The SI is ambiguous and open to interpretation. It’s up to an individual member of an gardai to offer his opinion if the travel is essential

mmclo · 20-05-2021 08:51AM

Tazz T wrote: »

How does that work if the Irish ambassador has already opted in on our behalf. All 27 countries have agreed on the basic terms. Do we do a UK and say we were only joking and opt out after opting in next week.

Apparently, there is flexibility for 'more conservative countries' in terms of requiring PCRs but it's a bit pointless to sign up just to then to reject it completely.

It's an interesting point which I actually discussed with a Commission Justice and Home Affairs official a few years back. The country with an opt out can negotiate and take part right up to the adoption and can then choose or not choose to opt in. So arguably can shape a measure that you won't take part in.

The realpolitik of this years ago was aimed at encouraging the UK to take part more and inveigle them in so that didn't go to well. But the UK were often apparently love bombed in negotiations only to walk away at the end. Not so sure how it works now, can't see Ireland having the same influence.

We have only opted in to a very limited amount of JHA provisions mainly on relocation of Syrians and the Schengen Information System connected with Europol and tracking criminals

Tazz T · 20-05-2021 10:01AM

mmclo wrote: »

It's an interesting point which I actually discussed with a Commission Justice and Home Affairs official a few years back. The country with an opt out can negotiate and take part right up to the adoption and can then choose or not choose to opt in. So arguably can shape a measure that you won't take part in.

The realpolitik of this years ago was aimed at encouraging the UK to take part more and inveigle them in so that didn't go to well. But the UK were often apparently love bombed in negotiations only to walk away at the end. Not so sure how it works now, can't see Ireland having the same influence.

We have only opted in to a very limited amount of JHA provisions mainly on relocation of Syrians and the Schengen Information System connected with Europol and tracking criminals

I think given the amount of pressure the gov is coming under at the moment, we will actually opt in and stay in. Plus, I'd say they will be anticipating some form of EU intervention - if they continue to ban non-essential EU travel for our own citizens while agreeing to let ex-EU tourists in. I'd be very surprised to see much negativity coming out of that meeting next week now that appears it appears to have travel firmly prioritised at the top of the agenda.

I think it's all positive at the moment. If the yanks are coming in, then we're going out. I'd be confident that we'll see the end of the 2k fine at some point in June. Then, barring a stringent testing protocol, it's a good starting point for tourism and aviation - and not a moment too soon.

20-05-2021 10:30AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

The SI is ambiguous and open to interpretation. It’s up to an individual member of an gardai to offer his opinion if the travel is essential

Read the act, essential travel is listed.

Tenzor07 · 20-05-2021 11:06AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

But if they were planning on leaving anyway, what difference would a reopening schedule make?

Read my post, no company would leave commercially nonviable aircraft at a base, but with the right supports and plans from Government they can project the requirements for their flights and therefore maintain services... without anything from the Government then it meant AerLingus were forced into making the hard decision which may not have been necessary with a plan to restart aviation.

No plan = no commercial flights.

Tenzor07 · 20-05-2021 11:15AM

Tazz T wrote: »

I think given the amount of pressure the gov is coming under at the moment, we will actually opt in and stay in. Plus, I'd say they will be anticipating some form of EU intervention - if they continue to ban non-essential EU travel for our own citizens while agreeing to let ex-EU tourists in. I'd be very surprised to see much negativity coming out of that meeting next week now that appears it appears to have travel firmly prioritised at the top of the agenda.I think it's all positive at the moment. If the yanks are coming in, then we're going out. I'd be confident that we'll see the end of the 2k fine at some point in June. Then, barring a stringent testing protocol, it's a good starting point for tourism and aviation - and not a moment too soon.

What the EU say won't have any impact on this Government, they've outsourced the decision making to a medical junta who if allowed would severely halt all travel in and out of the Island until the virus was under control globally, which could take until 2025... by which time we'd be the economic leper of Europe...

As I heard someone say "Ireland doesn't seem European, it seems more like Brexit Britain.." Maybe we should Irexit and re-join the commonwealth?

newuser99999 · 20-05-2021 11:20AM

bubblypop wrote: »

No you said 'the need to travel'
Need is essential. Anything else is just want

The sooner your group stop obsessing about controlling what everyone else does in their lives the better. You’ll be much happier

20-05-2021 11:22AM

newuser99999 wrote: »

The sooner your group stop obsessing about controlling what everyone else does in their lives the better. You’ll be much happier

I'm very happy, what makes you think I'm not?
I'll be happier when I can travel again of course. What do you mean 'your group'?

paw patrol · 20-05-2021 11:23AM

eltonyio wrote: »

Sounds like the FF party have finally seen the light, come to their senses and are beginning to turn against internment, pointless additional restrictions, job losses and lack of common sense. Pity it took the Aer Lingus decision to accelerate change.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/taoiseach-signals-comprehensive-plans-to-resume-travel-sport-and-entertainment-1.4569730

only cos it'll effect his vote on the ballet box.
you can bet your life he'd say nothing if it wasn't in his catchment area.

I said 9 months ago on another thread, this lockdown sh1te would go on until the back benchers got it in the neck from their locals.
sadly i was right.

shower of bastards.

Jacktheelad · 20-05-2021 11:32AM

Would anyone be so kind as to advise me of the current situation with cross-border travel please & thank you in advance?

I live in the Republic & I'm hoping to spend 2 nights in a hotel (leisure) in Belfast on the 3rd & 4th of June.

pouladuff_goal · 20-05-2021 11:34AM

Jacktheelad wrote: »

Would anyone be so kind as to advise me of the current situation with cross-border travel please & thank you in advance?

I live in the Republic & I'm hoping to spend 2 nights in a hotel (leisure) in Belfast on the 3rd & 4th of June.

You can travel anywhere on the island for leisure.

Jacktheelad · 20-05-2021 11:37AM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

You can travel anywhere on the island for leisure.

Thank you for answering pouladuff_goal, I appreciate it

20-05-2021 11:47AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Eamon Ryan: €10 flights are a thing of the past.

Michael O’Leary; You’re not wrong Eamon, how about €5?

Gotta love stuffing it to that numpty Ryan.

Picked one up while the going was good. Wasn't a fiver but at ten to Spain? Couldn't say no.

I believe users here claimed that cheap travel was a thing of the past too ðŸ™‚

20-05-2021 11:48AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Read my post, no company would leave commercially nonviable aircraft at a base, but with the right supports and plans from Government they can project the requirements for their flights and therefore maintain services... without anything from the Government then it meant AerLingus were forced into making the hard decision which may not have been necessary with a plan to restart aviation.

No plan = no commercial flights.

Of course not but it was not viable before now, that's why they were looking to bail before covid

They are a private company so I dunno how much is expected from government. I don't think state aid can just flow forever under eu regulations

Valhallapt · 20-05-2021 11:50AM

paw patrol wrote: »

shower of bastards.

QFT

Micky 32 · 20-05-2021 12:08PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I believe users here claimed that cheap travel was a thing of the past too ��

One of Ryan’s aim is to stop the cheap flights. He has said so. Whether he’ll succeed or not is another matter.

Tenzor07 · 20-05-2021 12:09PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Of course not but it was not viable before now, that's why they were looking to bail before covid
They are a private company so I dunno how much is expected from government. I don't think state aid can just flow forever under eu regulations

The layoffs are as a direct result of Government inaction, the Airlines even sent them a plan, yet still we have the highest level of restrictions an individual EU country has...The message that Ireland is "Closed for business" has also helped Aer Lingus move Aircraft to the UK for Transatlantic flights..

It's also up to the Government to support regional development, and having no connectivity to Shannon is a major blow to the region, so the Govt. have to work with the Airlines to support the routes, this has not happened...

Can you post up the link to where AerLingus stated they were going to "pull out of Shannon anyways?"

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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