RTE Radio 1: Late Debate

01-05-2021 01:05PM

Late Debate will return this Tuesday at 10pm, according to Katie Hannon, just now. I assume she will be presenting.

Dáil Éireann rises for the summer in a few weeks, so it won't be back for long.

AJB39 · 01-05-2021 01:21PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Late Debate will return this Tuesday at 10pm, according to Katie Hannon, just now. I assume she will be presenting.

Dáil Éireann rises for the summer in a few weeks, so it won't be back for long.

The Dail doesn’t rise for the Summer until mid July so The Late Debate will be back on for a while unless Covid restrictions are reimposed again. Last year it ran until the end of June.

01-05-2021 05:02PM

AJB39 wrote: »

The Dail doesn’t rise for the Summer until mid July so The Late Debate will be back on for a while unless Covid restrictions are reimposed again. Last year it ran until the end of June.

Oh, you're right. I see the Oireachtas is going to run until the 14th of July this year — the day of the Bastille. How ominous.

bobbyss · 02-05-2021 07:53AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

Late Debate will return this Tuesday at 10pm, according to Katie Hannon, just now. I assume she will be presenting.

You'd wonder why not Mondays.

02-05-2021 07:59AM

bobbyss wrote: »

You'd wonder why not Mondays.

No Dáil on a Monday or Friday, which also means a shortage of TDs in Dublin.

04-05-2021 09:10PM

On the panel:

Dara Calleary, FF;
Mairead Farrell, SF;
Cian O'Callaghan, SD;
Hugh O'Connell, Independent wing of Newspapers.

rino87 · 04-05-2021 09:25PM

Far to much waffle on the classic rock hour this evening....

Brendan Bendar · 05-05-2021 09:46PM

Who let Fergus O’OBrien on a show like this.

Getting eaten up by Katie Nooze and a few Trotters.

Useless.

dulpit · 06-05-2021 08:00AM

Just listened to last night's show. Would drive you demented. The Fine Gael td kept agreeing that everything that was suggested by everyone else would make sense for housing, forgetting that his party has been in power for 10 years and hasn't done anything yet.

Then they moved onto covid, and Thomas Pringle was giving out that Donegal was being singled out for its covid response, even though it's statistically far worse than the rest of country. He also said he didn't care if other people were vaccinated once he was, ignoring the whole idea of suppressing variants and achieving herd immunity. Bríd Smith cheering him on the whole time.

Brendan Bendar · 06-05-2021 08:27AM

dulpit wrote: »

Just listened to last night's show. Would drive you demented. The Fine Gael td kept agreeing that everything that was suggested by everyone else would make sense for housing, forgetting that his party has been in power for 10 years and hasn't done anything yet.

Then they moved onto covid, and Thomas Pringle was giving out that Donegal was being singled out for its covid response, even though it's statistically far worse than the rest of country. He also said he didn't care if other people were vaccinated once he was, ignoring the whole idea of suppressing variants and achieving herd immunity. Bríd Smith cheering him on the whole time.

Why wouldn’t she…… got nearly 5k votes to elect her the last time off them.

I turned off before the Covid segment as it was a complete shambles, with Hannon letting the lefties just keep talking ….. shambles.

Just my observation…. This tag team set up makes for useless radio.

You have the presenter piling on instead of moderating, you have the ‘opposition’
just talking incessantly , interrupting, the establishment guest trying to get a word in , everyone roaring and shouting .

Best to balance the ‘panel’ better, better let the presenter moderate, and I feel we would have a better product, and the ‘big dogs’ of politics would take part, because they avoid the current format like the plague.

Good loser · 06-05-2021 08:06PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Why wouldn’t she…… got nearly 5k votes to elect her the last time off them.

I turned off before the Covid segment as it was a complete shambles, with Hannon letting the lefties just keep talking ….. shambles.

Just my observation…. This tag team set up makes for useless radio.

You have the presenter piling on instead of moderating, you have the ‘opposition’
just talking incessantly , interrupting, the establishment guest trying to get a word in , everyone roaring and shouting .

Best to balance the ‘panel’ better, better let the presenter moderate, and I feel we would have a better product, and the ‘big dogs’ of politics would take part, because they avoid the current format like the plague.

On the ball there.
Somehow the lefties generally are allowed to talk a lot more than others; would be interesting if someone put a stopwatch on them.
Fergus O Dowd is a total waste of space as a FG contributor.

Brendan Bendar · 06-05-2021 08:48PM

Good loser wrote: »

On the ball there.
Somehow the lefties generally are allowed to talk a lot more than others; would be interesting if someone put a stopwatch on them.
Fergus O Dowd is a total waste of space as a FG contributor.

Yes…you are correct.

Fergus O ‘Dowd….. I called him O’Brien earlier….waste of space.

Brendan Bendar · 06-05-2021 10:04PM

When the Shinner dude came under pressure on the Abú issue, Katie was strangely silent.

No piling on like she always does when other parties are under pressure..

Says a lot..

Good loser · 06-05-2021 10:10PM

He was slippery wasn't he? When under pressure, speak faster and double back seems to be the modus.

Brendan Bendar · 06-05-2021 10:16PM

Good loser wrote: »

He was slippery wasn't he? When under pressure, speak faster and double back seems to be the modus.

The classic tactics of Ms Louise O’Reilly…who can speak without breathing.

19-05-2021 09:11PM

Kieran O'Donnell, FG
Verona Murphy, Ind.
Duncan Smith, Lab.
Gráinne Ní Aodha, journalist

This kinda line-up is of very doubtful utility, and goes back to something people were talking about on the Saturday RTE thread: more party politics, and very little policy discussion on what is what is apparently this Government's main priority.

When Vincent Browne was running this programme, he used to bring in experts. Even philosophers, on some topics. I remember one programme with a panel comprised only of architects. This time-slot is perfect for that kinda niche interest.

Dempo1 · 19-05-2021 09:13PM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ciarán O'Donnell, FG
Verona Murphy, Ind.
Duncan Smith, Lab.
Gráinne Ní Aodha, journalist

This kinda line-up is of very doubtful utility, and goes back to something posters were talking about on the Saturday RTE thread on the weekend: more party politics, and very little policy discussion on what is what is apparently this Government's main priority.

When Vincent Browne was running this programme, he used to bring in experts. Even philosophers, on some topics. This time-slot is perfect for that kinda niche interest.

This will be a timid affair I fear

Dempo1 · 19-05-2021 09:18PM

Verona Murphy has sympathy for Darragh O Brien? With friends like her he doesn't require enemies.

19-05-2021 09:19PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This will be a timid affair I fear

Timid is grand, if it produces information. We're just getting a history lesson in what Labour did, or didn't do, in Government recently.

Most of us are not members of political parties, and probably aren't interested in blame as a way of governing. It would be nice to listen to a calm, informative discussion on such a complex topic *edit* from people who know something about the topic.

Dempo1 · 19-05-2021 09:22PM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Timid is grand, if it produces information. We're just getting a history lesson in what Labour did, or didn't do, in Government recently.

Most of us are not members of political parties, and probably aren't interested in blame as a way of governing. It would be nice to listen to a calm, informative discussion on such a complex topic *edit* from people who know something about the topic.

Alan Kelly extremely Quite today regarding this absurd legislation on housing /stamp duty today, his silence spoke volumes.

Dempo1 · 19-05-2021 09:39PM

Beggar's belief this, The state can borrow whatever is required at near zero rates of interest.

The maynooth debacle really brought home the farce of what is going on.

400k paid for each dwelling, let's assume fund had 10% stamp duty, now each dwelling €440k

An interesting report earlier showed all these funds have to do is increase rent yeild by €170 per month per house to get roughly €1850 per month to maintain their return. Families already paying similar amounts and more. Net result is Higher rents, Higher subsidy (HAP) and notwithstanding the funds undoubtedly finding a way to avoid or off set the 10% stamp duty, nothing will be actually achieved and less of a chance of home ownership for citizens . Its astonishing it took 3 government political parties to come up with this absurdity.

Dempo1 · 19-05-2021 09:52PM

Fascinating, any of these guests see today's numbers (503) and could be higher as reporting affected by the cyber attack. Our Population near 5 million, UK near 60 million, they had approx 2600 cases, do the maths folks

Brendan Bendar · 20-05-2021 06:38AM

A Lamb Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Timid is grand, if it produces information. We're just getting a history lesson in what Labour did, or didn't do, in Government recently.

Most of us are not members of political parties, and probably aren't interested in blame as a way of governing. It would be nice to listen to a calm, informative discussion on such a complex topic *edit* from people who know something about the topic.

Good points there,however what always puzzles me is how do you know ‘who actually knows about anything’.

There are numerous housing ‘experts’ about the place, Lorcan Sirr for example, economists like Mc Williams etc who can talk for hours on the subject.

Who knows if they are right or wrong.

Even Darragh O’Brien in opposition ‘seemed’ to have all the answers, on the radio day and night , yet when given the job seems to be floundering.

As did everyone else who had the job.

For me the only answer seems to be an all party top level group to tackle the issue, and cut through the web of blockages which cause the problem.

Crude and simplistic yes, but otherwise we will stil be arguing in 2031, in my opinion.

Dempo1 · 20-05-2021 09:44PM

Dare I say Neale Richmond quite impressive, never thought I'd say that about anyone in FG

Good loser · 20-05-2021 10:31PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Dare I say Neale Richmond quite impressive, never thought I'd say that about anyone in FG

Do you not find Paschal Donohue impressive? I can't remember a better M o F.

Good loser · 20-05-2021 10:43PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Good points there,however what always puzzles me is how do you know ‘who actually knows about anything’.

There are numerous housing ‘experts’ about the place, Lorcan Sirr for example, economists like Mc Williams etc who can talk for hours on the subject.

Who knows if they are right or wrong.

Even Darragh O’Brien in opposition ‘seemed’ to have all the answers, on the radio day and night , yet when given the job seems to be floundering.

As did everyone else who had the job.

For me the only answer seems to be an all party top level group to tackle the issue, and cut through the web of blockages which cause the problem.

Crude and simplistic yes, but otherwise we will stil be arguing in 2031, in my opinion.

Your proposal is 'crude and simplistic' as you suggest - and would make zero difference.
Seems to me one individual contributor on this issue appears to be the media darling and effectively makes a dog's dinner of every debate he's involved in.
Eoin O Broin. When he stops talking' does anybody listening have the slightest clue what he has just said? I don't. If my life depended on it I could barely repeat 10% of his content.

Brendan Bendar · 21-05-2021 05:52AM

Good loser wrote: »

Your proposal is 'crude and simplistic' as you suggest - and would make zero difference.
Seems to me one individual contributor on this issue appears to be the media darling and effectively makes a dog's dinner of every debate he's involved in.
Eoin O Broin. When he stops talking' does anybody listening have the slightest clue what he has just said? I don't. If my life depended on it I could barely repeat 10% of his content.

Yep, correct and right.

So we are bunched, is that what you are saying?

Dempo1 · 21-05-2021 06:04AM

Good loser wrote: »

Do you not find Paschal Donohue impressive? I can't remember a better M o F.

Now that's pushing it, Stop!

Pascal is likeable in fairness but seriously difficult to take him seriously

Katie's show got a positive review in the Irish Times yesterday and I have to say deserved. There are some who seem to over analyse her presenting /moderation skills. I think it's a difficult format, it's time slot difficult to fill with guests and it's limited time for detailed debate a challenge but given all this, Katie does an excellent job.

serfboard · 21-05-2021 01:00PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Katie's show got a positive review in the Irish Times yesterday and I have to say deserved. There are some who seem to over analyse her presenting /moderation skills. I think it's a difficult format, it's time slot difficult to fill with guests and it's limited time for detailed debate a challenge but given all this, Katie does an excellent job.

I think Katie does a very good job here too.

Let's compare her to two other occupants of the slot - Cormac O hEadhra and Vincent Browne. Cormac used to stir the pot to such an extent that all the contributors ended up shouting over one another and Cormac lost control.

Vincent Browne was good but was, by all accounts, a "difficult" person to work with, and certainly on his television programme, he seemed to have a few peatas who he treated very easily compared to others.

To me, Katie has the right approach in asking difficult questions in a way that a) we can hear the answers and b) some information is conveyed. Shouting and roaring in a radio studio makes for a poor listening experience.

Brendan Bendar · 21-05-2021 05:06PM

serfboard wrote: »

I think Katie does a very good job here too.

Let's compare her to two other occupants of the slot - Cormac O hEadhra and Vincent Browne. Cormac used to stir the pot to such an extent that all the contributors ended up shouting over one another and Cormac lost control.

Vincent Browne was good but was, by all accounts, a "difficult" person to work with, and certainly on his television programme, he seemed to have a few peatas who he treated very easily compared to others.

To me, Katie has the right approach in asking difficult questions in a way that a) we can hear the answers and b) some information is conveyed. Shouting and roaring in a radio studio makes for a poor listening experience.

Hmmm……

RTE Radio 1: Late Debate

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