Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Valhallapt · 18-05-2021 06:28PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Much of this change was coming anyway same as pub closures and business not reopening. Interesting that Dublin wasn't affected, yet.

I’ve never seen any evidence other than to the contrary, aviation by any measure has been expanding year on year. Planes are expensive, you don’t leave them sitting on the ground in Shannon or cork if you can put them to use in main land europe.

Government incompetence is the only reason aviation is suffering more in Ireland than any other country.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 06:32PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

And the rest of the points made?

Another poster has addressed them.

brickster69 · 18-05-2021 06:34PM

Looks like they are opening quite a few new routes shortly

https://www.insidermedia.com/news/north-west/aer-lingus-to-create-jobs-with-manchester-routes-launch

Corholio · 18-05-2021 06:37PM

None of these changes that were supposedly (even that's a loose, generic statement) coming already would ever have happened in 2021 or near tbh. Using 'ah sure it was going to happen anyway' is ridiculous really. Airlines adapt all the times to things, the amount of high price flights, low price flights up and down fluctuations over many years are numerous. Almost total shutdown and lack of supports or a plan to aim for restructure is even worse.

I often found this type of 'sure it would have happened anyway' is just armchair stuff from afar.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 06:38PM

Corholio wrote: »

None of these changes that were supposedly (even that's a loose, generic statement) coming already would ever have happened in 2021 or near tbh. Using 'ah sure it was going to happen anyway' is ridiculous really. Airlines adapt all the times to things, the amount of high price flights, low price flights up and down fluctuations over many years are numerous. Almost total shutdown and lack of supports or a plan to aim for restructure is even worse.

I often found this type of 'sure it would have happened anyway' is just armchair stuff from afar.

Said from your armchair?

Micky 32 · 18-05-2021 06:41PM

Foreign nationals are starting to make some noise:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222442/

Corholio · 18-05-2021 06:43PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Said from your armchair?

I'm not the one making loose statements on an industry without backing it up. You've gone on about in the past about the pandemic being so terrible in your opposition to travel, but yet these terrible outcomes would have supposedly happened anyway? Both sides of the mouth there.

Golfman64 · 18-05-2021 06:45PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A, we are an island. We are the most reliant country as well. The other countries aren't as reliant on air and sea connections so that was obviously going to happen.

B, that's mhq I assume, if so then not true. We might be the only country STILL doing so but others did do it at various stages. This has been discussed many times in this thread already.

C, no, I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of countries have no set in stone plans and dates. Do any actually have definitive dates? Would be great if they do.

D, as per C

E, I don't know. What countries accept antigen in place of pcr or lamp? Works be great if it was more widely accepted.

That state employees, ie essential staff as I would suggest this entire event has shown, have been working away while many claimed 300 euro to watch Netflix. If you found yourself expendable, that's on you and your career choices. There's zero need to start that mud slinging.

A. We have seen the biggest percentage drop due to our draconian travel restrictions. Plenty of other countries airports did not see such a significant drop. As an island, as you correctly point out, we should actually be embracing travel and ensuring as much as possible that those vital links remain established!

B. Tell me another EU country that imposed MHQ on its own or other EU citizens?

C. Some are already open, most have plans, we have nothing.

D. Per C

E. Even the EU themselves (ECDC) have recommended the use of antigen testing to help reopen travel. Makes even more sense now given the most vulnerable are vaccinated unless you are a risk averse rock dweller!

All workers who have retained jobs and paid taxes during the pandemic are essential. Their taxes are used amongst other things to help fund our health system. Health care workers have been absolute heroes throughout this but every tax paying worker is essential!

Micky 32 · 18-05-2021 06:47PM

Corholio wrote: »

I'm not the one making loose statements on an industry without backing it up. You've gone on about in the past about the pandemic being so terrible in your opposition to travel, but yet these terrible outcomes would have supposedly happened anyway? Both sides of the mouth there.

I’m getting the impression reading between the lines that certain posters think that Eamonn Ryan is going to eventually tax aviation out of business so we can grow loads of lettuce from within our freshly painted window boxes.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 06:49PM

Corholio wrote: »

I'm not the one making loose statements on an industry without backing it up. You've gone on about in the past about the pandemic being so terrible in your opposition to travel, but yet these terrible outcomes would have supposedly happened anyway? Both sides of the mouth there.

The travel brought it here undeniable so it was terrible. If we didn't take the actions we did it would have been much worse. Not hard to understand that either way would be bad for several industries.

Feria40 · 18-05-2021 06:51PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Foreign nationals are starting to make some noise:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222442/

Yep, almost one in five of the population. But who gives a hoot about them, selfishly wanting an indication as to when they might see family

18-05-2021 06:52PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Irrespective of whether it was coming or not, it doesn't change the fact that we are an outlier in Europe with regards to travel. We have so far:
been the worst affected country in terms of the overall reduction in flight volumes in the EU

the only EU country to impose MHG on EU citizens

the only EU country to have absolutely no plan for when outbound non-essential travel can restart

the only EU country to have absolutely no plan as to when we will allow inbound tourism to recommence

one of the few governments within the EU to refuse to recognise the use and value of antigen tests to further enable more travel

The list goes on...

Does it though?
Because it seems as though you are not aware of restrictions or plans in other European countries at all.
Why don't you actually post some links to the restrictions in other countries?

Valhallapt · 18-05-2021 06:54PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Foreign nationals are starting to make some noise:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222442/

FF voter base is curtain twitchers, doubt they’ll pay any attention to foreigners

18-05-2021 06:59PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

A. We have seen the biggest percentage drop due to our draconian travel restrictions. Plenty of other countries airports did not see such a significant drop. As an island, as you correctly point out, we should actually be embracing travel and ensuring as much as possible that those vital links remain established!

B. Tell me another EU country that imposed MHQ on its own or other EU citizens?

C. Some are already open, most have plans, we have nothing.

D. Per C

E. Even the EU themselves (ECDC) have recommended the use of antigen testing to help reopen travel. Makes even more sense now given the most vulnerable are vaccinated unless you are a risk averse rock dweller!

All workers who have retained jobs and paid taxes during the pandemic are essential. Their taxes are used amongst other things to help fund our health system. Health care workers have been absolute heroes throughout this but every tax paying worker is essential!

A. Again, no other country saw the fall because no other country was as reliant. That's just obvious. The cause of this is covid19 and it didn't start with the travel ban. It got worse with it, no doubt in my mind but it wasn't the root cause. It started in March 2020. Plenty of countries banned international travel for non essential reasons and again, it's been discussed many many times in this thread. I'm not sure there's anything to be gained from arguing this further. Aviation has stalled in Ireland. We both know that. It stalled in Spain, France, Italy, Greece and so on. Probable sooner though as we were late to the party in regards banning travel.

B, again, this has been discussed many many times. Slovakia for one. Belgium as well I believe from other users.

C and D, This is your claim, so back it up please.

E, I agree but that's not what you said. What country are currently accepting them? Back your claim.

Right, so you can stop throwing mud at the public sector. Great.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 07:04PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

FF voter base is curtain twitchers, doubt they’ll pay any attention to foreigners

Generalization taken to the max. Some people are always looking for attention doesn't mean we should.

brickster69 · 18-05-2021 07:15PM

MHQ to be extended

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1394725840760549377

stephenjmcd · 18-05-2021 07:21PM

brickster69 wrote: »

MHQ to be extended

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1394725840760549377

Again, the extension is to the legislation that underpins four existing acts.

Each act is then subject to its own SI etc

Just because the underpinning legislation gets extended doesn't mean that everything remains as it is now. For example MHQ is probably likely for countries such as Brazil, Indian etc but will impact less and less people given vaccination that it'll become irrelevant to the majority of people. Not to mention it'll be gone for EU states

Tazz T · 18-05-2021 07:21PM

TV tonight. Americans holidaying in Greece, Brits in Portugal, currently watching a full live audience at Eurovision. I assume that's non essential travel for doommongered pandemic panic stricken irish 'EU' citizens.

National airline moves base to Manchester. Nothing to do with Covid or a fine on leaving the country. Yeah we're doing it right.

stephenjmcd · 18-05-2021 07:23PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Is that tweet not stating that MHQ specifically will be extended in addition to the general extension of legislation?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1394702678006059013?s=19

eltonyio · 18-05-2021 07:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Again, the extension is to the legislation that underpins four existing acts.

Each act is then subject to its own SI etc

Just because the underpinning legislation gets extended doesn't mean that everything remains as it is now. For example MHQ is probably likely for countries such as Brazil, Indian etc but will impact less and less people given vaccination that it'll become irrelevant to the majority of people. Not to mention it'll be gone for EU states

Would the extension of the underpinning legislation give SD the powers to extend the other SIs (on MHQ for example) by himself? Or do they each need to go back to the Dail as well?

ngunners · 18-05-2021 07:25PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Foreign nationals are starting to make some noise:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222442/

They have been for weeks to be fair but they’ll continue to be ignored since most don’t have a vote.

a_squirrelman · 18-05-2021 07:28PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

B, again, this has been discussed many many times. Slovakia for one. Belgium as well I believe from other users.

I hate when you say Slovakia as it implies it worked there.

Slovakia did panic at the beginning and imposed mandatory "state facility" quarantine which the state paid for.

They quickly realised this was crazy after 4 or 5 weeks and eased it to quarantine in your own home.

Ray Donovan · 18-05-2021 07:31PM

The extension of the Covid restriction powers first has to be voted on in the Dail & the Seanad.

When it comes to pass Please remember what way your local TD’s voted.

stephenjmcd · 18-05-2021 07:31PM

eltonyio wrote: »

Would the extension of the underpinning legislation give SD the powers to extend the other SIs (on MHQ for example) by himself? Or do they each need to go back to the Dail as well?

That's exactly what this does yeah, but in generally cabinet would agree first if something gets extended etc.

Once it's passed by the Dail, say for example the SI lapsed on wearing face masks and government didn't renew it, if hypothetically speaking there was a new wave in for example September & they wanted face masks brought back in, Donnelly could sign an SI to the effect straight away because the emergency powers would still be in effect.

embraer170 · 18-05-2021 07:32PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

B, that's mhq I assume, if so then not true. We might be the only country STILL doing so but others did do it at various stages. This has been discussed many times in this thread already..

I am not aware of any EU country that has imposed hotel quarantine on EU citizens like Ireland. You later mention Belgium and Slovakia.

I am not aware of Belgium doing so. Do you have a link?

For Slovakia, this was very short lived and free.

stephenjmcd · 18-05-2021 07:35PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I read the post about MHQ as a further clarification stating that MHQ will be extended, but that the date is yet to be decided. Safe to assume it will be sometime between the current end date and Nov 9th though.

MHQ is going to be extended its a done deal, places like India, Brazil etc will probably be on it for a while. EU will go soon enough.

A follow up on said tweet from rte

https://twitter.com/RTENewsPaulC/status/1394726465938284546?s=19

gozunda · 18-05-2021 08:02PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Right. Time to start looking into ways around this then. Feck them. People with COVID in the country are free to do what they like while we quarantine healthy people.

Not sure whether you're making a case to put everyone in MHQ or allow those travelling from high risk areas to do the same as people travelling from lower risk countries?

Yeah and I know the lists can be poked and prodded for issues and inconsistencies but surely you're not seriously suggesting someone who has arrived from India or Brazil on their arrival here - should be told to stay in their "home" for 14 days? Even where they are not ordinarily resident here? And tbf - even Irish people travelling from these countries are obliged to stay in MHQ for the prescribed time.

And afaik those who are travelling from countries not on our red list - have to undertake tests / quarentine / and are contacted by the hse that these measures must be undertaken?

Just like we had absconders from MHQ - im damned sure there are those who won't observe home quarentine. But if you are deriding home quarentine as being allowed "to do what you like" - then allowing everyone and anyone travelling from anywhere to do exactly that is not going to help is it?

The point of travel restrictions and quarentine (where needed) is to manage infection risks of those that must travel and to discourage everyone else from bringing granny and the family over for a bit of a holiday or similar.

Why? Something to do with a global pandemic I believe...

Marcusm · 18-05-2021 08:10PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

The extension of the Covid restriction powers first has to be voted on in the Dail & the Seanad.

When it comes to pass Please remember what way your local TD’s voted.

Very few will reject the extension of the emergency powers.

Marcusm · 18-05-2021 08:13PM

Skygord wrote: »

I'd say they're just extending the legislative cover (the Statutory Instruments) that were due to expire. That allows them to continue/reintroduce MHQ if needed, but I'm sure it'll be relaxed/gone soon enough for countries with good case & vaccination numbers.

MHQ will last longer than anything else as they can change the countries at will. No point in removing MHQ as they implemented to stop their opponents having a pop at them.

Marcusm · 18-05-2021 08:16PM

Meself wrote: »

Yeh, ordinary resident in NI. They are travelling to Lanzarote. Flights are better from Dublin.

Like another poster said.. crystal ball as to whether the Irish Gov will open up.

Think they are going to take the chance all bring well on the Spanish side.

They can go today if they can find a flight. Ireland has only imposed a penalty on Irish residents not all users of Irish airports.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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