Second Captains Part II

Pete Moss · 13-05-2021 08:11PM

Raoul Duke wrote:

If you can come up with a better plan for the area at the same time, please let us know.

Do you mean something like the idea Ken came up? An arguably better plan for the space, which sounded more cost efficient and profitable in the form of his outdoor swimming idea. He even had a relevant comparison to similar facilities being a success within the city of London, as opposed to Keegan talking about the Cardiff facility which is not located anywhere near their city centre.

It's almost like Ken came up with the idea and counter argument of a potentially better plan on the spot. Imagine what he could come up with when given, let's say, â‚¬1.3m of public money to help get the creative juices flowing.

Say Your Number · 13-05-2021 08:17PM

Don't think I've seen anything they've done get this big a reaction, a lot of comments on the Patreon page and the tweet they put out as well.

Raoul Duke · 13-05-2021 08:34PM

Pete Moss wrote: »

Do you mean something like the idea Ken came up? An arguably better plan for the space, which sounded more cost efficient and profitable in the form of his outdoor swimming idea. He even had a relevant comparison to similar facilities being a success within the city of London, as opposed to Keegan talking about the Cardiff facility which is not located anywhere near their city centre.

It's almost like Ken came up with the idea and counter argument of a potentially better plan on the spot. Imagine what he could come up with when given, let's say, â‚¬1.3m of public money to help get the creative juices flowing.

Yes that is an alternative. From memory Keegan had an answer to that option - there is a swimming pool as part of this plan.
I don't know that much about this current plan apart from the what was talked about on the pod. But, if the site is big enough (my big question mark about it) then being in the city centre has pros as well as the obvious cons (parking). I think that it would be popular with the stag party brigade. It would be popular with the office party / team building circuit. It would be popular with tourists. If Keegan's vision of it being a worthwhile training area for water rescue is accurate, then that isn't something that should be easy to dismiss. It might even attract training crews from abroad. All good for Dublin.
€8 million of the Council's money isn't that much really. I don't know if it's a good idea, but I do think that it is good that someone is trying to put things into the city that adds to it.

Smell the glove · 13-05-2021 08:40PM

Some snorefest this week. An episode on a tourist attraction for Dublin and an episode on the housing crisis. Jesus in the week that city won the league, the fa cup final is on, the continental leagues are all going the distance, the hurling came back. Mind boggles sometimes.

kwestfan08 · 13-05-2021 11:55PM

Smell the glove wrote: »

Some snorefest this week. An episode on a tourist attraction for Dublin and an episode on the housing crisis. Jesus in the week that city won the league, the fa cup final is on, the continental leagues are all going the distance, the hurling came back. Mind boggles sometimes.

Another football show tomorrow so I’m sure all will be covered in that. City have had the league won for weeks though in fairness.

redbuck · 14-05-2021 12:00AM

Disappointed we didn't get some hurling talk this week.

Dick Turnip · 14-05-2021 10:27AM

Smell the glove wrote: »

Some snorefest this week. An episode on a tourist attraction for Dublin and an episode on the housing crisis. Jesus in the week that city won the league, the fa cup final is on, the continental leagues are all going the distance, the hurling came back. Mind boggles sometimes.

It was a bit surprising to have the rafting episode followed by the housing crisis one. You'd think either of those could have been put on next week.

City winning the league though, what's more to say on that really, that was won in March not on Tuesday. I'd be bored by an episode given over to that to be fair.

The Spanish league run in is pretty fascinating though, I really hope they discuss it today.

Brock Turnpike · 14-05-2021 10:36AM

redbuck wrote: »

Disappointed we didn't get some hurling talk this week.

It meant no Michael Duignan so that's a big plus imo

EltonJohn69 · 14-05-2021 10:50AM

The last two episodes are a snap shot of what could have been if second captains were allowed to get their mouths around the coveted drive time slot on Newstalk.

Smell the glove · 14-05-2021 02:15PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

The last two episodes are a snap shot of what could have been if second captains were allowed to get their mouths around the coveted drive time slot on Newstalk.

Thankfully that didn't happen. Poor Ken is funny to listen to but he's way out of his depth when it comes to current affairs etc. He tries though all the same.

redbuck · 14-05-2021 02:40PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

It meant no Michael Duignan so that's a big plus imo

Jamie Wall is very good though.

Arghus · 14-05-2021 05:21PM

Smell the glove wrote: »

Thankfully that didn't happen. Poor Ken is funny to listen to but he's way out of his depth when it comes to current affairs etc. He tries though all the same.

Have you heard the standard of current affairs coverage in Ireland: it isn't all that high. I don't see how Ken is any worse tbh and he's better than a lot of them.

riewomann · 14-05-2021 06:00PM

"Journalism is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion and, in that, Second Captains are unbeatable. Put Ken taking a **** after a night of Guinness and Kebabs, and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a guy taking a ****."

bamayang · 14-05-2021 06:22PM

riewomann wrote: »

"Journalism is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion and, in that, Second Captains are unbeatable. Put Ken taking a **** after a night of Guinness and Kebabs, and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a guy taking a ****."

There are easier analogy’s to reach for in situations like these.

BikeRacer · 14-05-2021 07:18PM

Happyio Mané

elefant · 14-05-2021 11:44PM

riewomann wrote: »

"Journalism is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion and, in that, Second Captains are unbeatable. Put Ken taking a **** after a night of Guinness and Kebabs, and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a guy taking a ****."

Is this really a quote from somewhere, or you just 'quoting' yourself?

Cienciano · 15-05-2021 12:12AM

On the white water rafting guy, he said people now love the library in Dun Laoghaire. Do they? I think it's a common trend among people who spend huge money on projects like that to insist they were a success.

White water rafting is a terrible idea imho, also, tacking on the fast water rescue shíte to pretend it was somehow vital for the training for fire brigade was ridiculous. "You must want people to die in floodwaters if you're against this". Also, the idea that the local skangers can use it to burn off adrenalyn somehow. Ken is right, the whole thing is a joke.

Icemancometh · 15-05-2021 01:11AM

I feel old that the **** on a stick reference seems to pass people by. But it was probably 15 years ago

EltonJohn69 · 15-05-2021 01:29AM

The library in dun laoghaire is a triumph. When I was walking around in it I thought I was dreaming (but I was actually fully awake)

Robert McGrath · 15-05-2021 08:31AM

Arghus wrote: »

Have you heard the standard of current affairs coverage in Ireland: it isn't all that high. I don't see how Ken is any worse tbh and he's better than a lot of them.

Whatever about Ken’s contribution, the clip they played for non subscribers of the UCD lad talking about REITs sounded like a very one-sided analysis. Can’t comment on the full show as I’m a Monday only freeloader ...

lawred2 · 15-05-2021 09:05AM

Cienciano wrote: »

On the white water rafting guy, he said people now love the library in Dun Laoghaire. Do they? I think it's a common trend among people who spend huge money on projects like that to insist they were a success.

White water rafting is a terrible idea imho, also, tacking on the fast water rescue shíte to pretend it was somehow vital for the training for fire brigade was ridiculous. "You must want people to die in floodwaters if you're against this". Also, the idea that the local skangers can use it to burn off adrenalyn somehow. Ken is right, the whole thing is a joke.

The transformation of Dun Laoghaire has been an undoubted success.

atilladehun · 15-05-2021 10:20AM

https://pinkston.co.uk/about/

2 minutes looking at the Cardiff and Glasgow sites show this list. If Keegan was any way diligent and professional instead of bumbling and arrogant he would have the Irish version of these guys on board and be able to name them off in interviews.

He's never seemed to get the building relationships and bringing people along aspect of doing business.

atilladehun · 15-05-2021 10:25AM

Smell the glove wrote: »

Some snorefest this week. An episode on a tourist attraction for Dublin and an episode on the housing crisis. Jesus in the week that city won the league, the fa cup final is on, the continental leagues are all going the distance, the hurling came back. Mind boggles sometimes.

I'm honestly not trolling here. People don't care about city. Not just in Ireland. The English media moved on really quick too. The don't get the clicks other clubs do. In a way I think they'd be better off with an emotional Mancini style manager than a perfect football guardiola style.

I don't think it's to do with the oil money. The story isn't juicy enough.

Ol' Donie · 15-05-2021 11:19AM

atilladehun wrote: »

I'm honestly not trolling here. People don't care about city. Not just in Ireland. The English media moved on really quick too. The don't get the clicks other clubs do. In a way I think they'd be better off with an emotional Mancini style manager than a perfect football guardiola style.

I don't think it's to do with the oil money. The story isn't juicy enough.

Anything about City is an instant skip for me.

dulpit · 15-05-2021 12:08PM

Also, looks like it meant the lads could take the midweek off more or less last week, with 3 pre-recorded shows (game that changed my life, interview with Dublin City Council dude and politics podcast).

Cienciano · 15-05-2021 02:47PM

lawred2 wrote: »

The transformation of Dun Laoghaire has been an undoubted success.

I'm not talking about the transformation of Dun Laoghaire, just the design of the library. Is it loved by locals?

lawred2 · 15-05-2021 02:51PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I'm not talking about the transformation of Dun Laoghaire, just the design of the library. Is it loved by locals?

Well it's a central part of a substantial and very successful regeneration so in the main I'd expect so.

Everything will have its detractors.

Personally speaking I think it's quite striking.

dulpit · 15-05-2021 05:10PM

Don't forget that a library, even if it's over designed or polarising design or whatever still has a core function of being a library. This white water rafting suggestion has no clear need to fill, and clearly no surveys or consultation with locals to see if there is a need has been carried out either.

Evil_g · 15-05-2021 06:59PM

The library in Dun Laoghaire is amazing in fairness. And there was huge opposition to it at the time.

hurleronditch · 15-05-2021 09:49PM

dulpit wrote: »

Also, looks like it meant the lads could take the midweek off more or less last week, with 3 pre-recorded shows (game that changed my life, interview with Dublin City Council dude and politics podcast).

Also I don’t understand why the “game that changed my life” podcasts are preceded with a 20 minute news chat. Surely they should be ringfenced as “listen anytime” pods like the players chair?

My dad is an athletics nut, he was mad to listen to the Marcus O’Sullivan chat and had to wade through Ken and Eoin talking premier league ****e first. It did feel like this week needed a general podcast, maybe half soccer half hurling or something which would have tidied up the running order an awful lot.

Second Captains Part II

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