Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

funnydoggy · 14-05-2021 12:59PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Don’t we just love RTE :

https://twitter.com/niamh_power/status/1392782678609612801?s=20

They had the balls then to say that they only put out the truth.

Absolute cúnts.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0916/1165543-rte-truth-matters-campaign/

Strazdas · 14-05-2021 01:03PM

plodder wrote: »

The vaccine passport thing should be based on having received one dose of any vaccine. The fact that they have pushed the second dose out so far is based on an expectation of a high level of protection from the first dose. I expect there will be some clamour for this very soon ... and it would remove some of the vaccine cherry picking that is going on.

That travel advice could easily change. I can't imagine they'll have a situation where AZ recipients are being actively discriminated against this year, whilst all other vaccine recipients are allowed leave the country within a month of being vaccinated.

Also, I believe one dose of AZ is considered almost identical in protection to one of J & J, so again it wouldn't make any sense.

Valhallapt · 14-05-2021 01:05PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Germany on course to get to 50 vaccines per 100 by the middle of next week. Unbelievable rollout.

If you highlight that you get accused of not pulling on the green jersey.

Happydays2020 · 14-05-2021 01:07PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Germany on course to get to 50 vaccines per 100 by the middle of next week. Unbelievable rollout.

Do they have a greater supply than we have?

Turtwig · 14-05-2021 01:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You would be more worried if cases didnt skew young when the old are vaccinated

Indeed I would.

munchkin_utd · 14-05-2021 01:12PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Do they have a greater supply than we have?

no, its almost excactly the same per proportion of the population

revelman · 14-05-2021 01:13PM

SJFly wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-cdc-identifies-28-clotting-cases-after-jj-vaccine-2021-05-12/

This article has some more data. Women in their 40s, 9.4 per million, women in their 30s, 12.4 per million. The risk to men is much lower. Men overall have a risk of around 1.4 per million. I think the data suggests pretty clearly that women are at greater risk.

I think I did not make my point very well. I mean that the numbers of people with clots are so low out of 9 million (28 in total - 22 women and 6 men) that surely it is impossible to ascertain a statistically significant pattern at this stage. Who’s to say that in the next 9 million doses given that it wouldn’t skew the other way and you get more men than women? Surely, you need a critical mass of cases before you can make any conclusions? And this is before you bring in other factors e.g. that women are more likely to visit their doctors and report side effects than men are.

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 01:14PM

Just got my vaccine appointment, group 7 for Monday week. Delighted.

iamwhoiam · 14-05-2021 01:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just got my vaccine appointment, group 7 for Monday week. Delighted.

Delighted for you . Is it in GPs ?

RavenBea17b · 14-05-2021 01:16PM

Interesting read

Mac n Cheese always helpful twitter info
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1393165901764210691

funnydoggy · 14-05-2021 01:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just got my vaccine appointment, group 7 for Monday week. Delighted.

Nice one ACE! Whereabouts?

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 01:17PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Delighted for you . Is it in GPs ?

Yep

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 01:17PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Nice one ACE! Whereabouts?

Cork City in my GPs surgery

funnydoggy · 14-05-2021 01:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cork City in my GPs surgery

Ah yeah of course.

Delighted for you buddy.

Turtwig · 14-05-2021 01:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just got my vaccine appointment, group 7 for Monday week. Delighted.

Excellent delighted for ya.

ddarcy · 14-05-2021 01:21PM

Strazdas wrote: »

That travel advice could easily change. I can't imagine they'll have a situation where AZ recipients are being actively discriminated against this year, whilst all other vaccine recipients are allowed leave the country within a month of being vaccinated.

Also, I believe one dose of AZ is considered almost identical in protection to one of J & J, so again it wouldn't make any sense.

The issue is AZ starts to rapidly lose its efficacy starting at 16 weeks. Remember AZ was developed as a one shot solution, but that wouldn’t pass clinical trials thresholds. So you will need the second dose and/or get another vaccine and complete it. The way it will be viewed is that if you don’t need the second dose, then it wouldn’t be offered. We may see some rules around the 16 week mark, but this complicates things. It’s easier to say take the full course and wait.

Scuid Mhór · 14-05-2021 01:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just got my vaccine appointment, group 7 for Monday week. Delighted.

You love to see it. Through your GP?

degsie · 14-05-2021 01:22PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Nice one ACE! Whereabouts?

Usually in the arm

ACitizenErased · 14-05-2021 01:23PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

You love to see it. Through your GP?

Yup

snotboogie · 14-05-2021 01:34PM

Taking the 48k figure for Ireland mentioned by the HSE last night for the 12th as it hasn't officially been announced yet.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 91 May 12th
Lithuania 46.5 May 13th 9
Germany 46 May 13th 9
Cyprus 45.5 May 12th 9
Spain 45 May 12th 7
Denmark 44 May 12th 6
Italy 43 May 13th 4
Austria 43 May 13th 4
Belgium 43 May 13th 3
Estonia 43 May 13th 4
Portugal 42 May 13th 3
Luxembourg 41 May 11th 3
Finland 41 May 13th 1
France 41 May 12th 2
Netherlands 40 May 13th 0
Poland 40 May 13th 0
Ireland 39.5 May 12th 0
Sweden 39 May 12th -1
Greece 39 May 13th -2
Slovenia 38 May 13th -3
Czech Rep 37.5 May 13th -4
Slovakia 35 May 12th -6
Romania 33 May 12th -9
Croatia 31 May 12th -12
Latvia 24.5 May 13th -22
Bulgaria 15.5 May 13th -35

seamus · 14-05-2021 01:38PM

Unfortunately I suspect we may be somewhat starved of data for the next day or two, maybe even a week.

Van.Bosch · 14-05-2021 01:39PM

seamus wrote: »

Unfortunately I suspect we may be somewhat starved of data for the next day or two, maybe even a week.

Big time - if it carries on I’d say all test centres may move to walk in.

Paying up might be an option!

ellee · 14-05-2021 01:43PM

Anyone have any theories on whether they will vaccinate children and/or teens? I see Pfizer is approved for over 12s in US (I think)

Strazdas · 14-05-2021 01:46PM

ddarcy wrote: »

The issue is AZ starts to rapidly lose its efficacy starting at 16 weeks. Remember AZ was developed as a one shot solution, but that wouldn’t pass clinical trials thresholds. So you will need the second dose and/or get another vaccine and complete it. The way it will be viewed is that if you don’t need the second dose, then it wouldn’t be offered. We may see some rules around the 16 week mark, but this complicates things. It’s easier to say take the full course and wait.

Indeed, but my point is I don't see any particular reason AZ recipients would not be allowed leave the country this summer under the EU green pass scheme if they are comfortably inside that 12-16 week window. It would only become an issue from autumn onwards if people weren't getting their second dose.

munchkin_utd · 14-05-2021 01:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Indeed, but my point is I don't see any particular reason AZ recipients would not be allowed leave the country this summer under the EU green pass scheme if they are comfortably inside that 12-16 week window. It would only become an issue from autumn onwards if people weren't getting their second dose.

The green pass scheme also allows travel on a negative test so unless Ireland is again going on a solo run, having a jab, or second dose, is irrelevant so long as you can access a test.

(it makes a difference financially obviously, but a €100 test is not quite the same limit on your freedoms as a €2000 fine to go to the airport)

ddarcy · 14-05-2021 02:07PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Indeed, but my point is I don't see any particular reason AZ recipients would not be allowed leave the country this summer under the EU green pass scheme if they are comfortably inside that 12-16 week window. It would only become an issue from autumn onwards if people weren't getting their second dose.

Not disagreeing, but you are looking at bureaucratical nightmare. It’s easier to say you have it done then to say you have it done for x time. Eg you complete the course, I add it to a database and that is that, instead of you having the first jab, get on the cleared database and then have to go in and update/ remove you from it pending if you come back. I mean look at the HSE today, it’s clear they aren’t even doing the basics correctly, they should be fully back up by now.

Sky King · 14-05-2021 02:12PM

ddarcy wrote: »

The issue is AZ starts to rapidly lose its efficacy starting at 16 weeks.

Where did you get this information?

ureds · 14-05-2021 02:13PM

Registered just over a week ago and got an appointment in Breaffy,Castlebar on Monday for Moderna vaccine.

Evil_g · 14-05-2021 02:15PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Taking the 48k figure for Ireland mentioned by the HSE last night for the 12th as it hasn't officially been announced yet.

Country per capita Date Reported Ireland Days Behind
Malta 91 May 12th
Lithuania 46.5 May 13th 9
Germany 46 May 13th 9
Cyprus 45.5 May 12th 9
Spain 45 May 12th 7
Denmark 44 May 12th 6
Italy 43 May 13th 4
Austria 43 May 13th 4
Belgium 43 May 13th 3
Estonia 43 May 13th 4
Portugal 42 May 13th 3
Luxembourg 41 May 11th 3
Finland 41 May 13th 1
France 41 May 12th 2
Netherlands 40 May 13th 0
Poland 40 May 13th 0
Ireland 39.5 May 12th -1
Sweden 39 May 12th -1
Greece 39 May 13th -2
Slovenia 38 May 13th -3
Czech Rep 37.5 May 13th -4
Slovakia 35 May 12th -6
Romania 33 May 12th -9
Croatia 31 May 12th -12
Latvia 24.5 May 13th -22
Bulgaria 15.5 May 13th -35

I have no idea how you get these figures. You must be using a lower vaccination rate than our .78. We're seven days behind Germany. Five behind Denmark. We're level with Ireland.

Cyclepath · 14-05-2021 02:21PM

I'm 55 y/o and registered on the 4th May. Today I got my appointment via text. Getting the Pfizer jab in the Aviva tomorrow 15th May.

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