Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Feria40 · 13-05-2021 09:03PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-expected-to-reconsider-quarantine-rules-1.4564560?mode=amp

Looks like we are slowly moving forward

Feria40 · 13-05-2021 09:04PM

Ah Ray!!!

irishguitarlad · 13-05-2021 09:05PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Well antigen would be a good option purely for traveling but not really from a detection point of view.

It's hard to say, it's like being on a rollercoaster. Today was a good news / encouraging day so tomorrow will probable be doom and gloom

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-proposed-covid-19-travel-certificate-2021-05-11/ yeah they're still debating It by the looks of things, as a person who was infected with covid and kept being positive on pcrs for weeks after I hope they allow antigen.

Van.Bosch · 13-05-2021 09:11PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Hi lads I was just looking at the Green cert that is being introduced to travel within eu-member states and they said that a negative antigen test was one of the necessities, yet then I saw Donnelly on with Pat Kenny saying today that they're rubbish. Will Ireland stay with PCR testing for travellers while the rest of the world moves on with antigen?

Antibody not antigen.

13-05-2021 09:18PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Antibody not antigen.

No, he's right:

"Negotiators must decide whether faster, but less accurate, COVID-19 antigen tests can be included in the certificate."

What I find odd, they also state that on one will be forced to use the system to travel. So how does that work?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 14-05-2021 07:18AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/plans-to-reopen-ireland-britain-travel-area-to-be-discussed-next-week-1127019.html

I think the penny might finally fall with the government that they need to open up to avoid everyone going through the back door.

Micky 32 · 14-05-2021 08:42AM

Ryanair making some noise today, they want travel restrictions lifted by end of May:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1221515/

eltonyio · 14-05-2021 08:53AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/plans-to-reopen-ireland-britain-travel-area-to-be-discussed-next-week-1127019.html

I think the penny might finally fall with the government that they need to open up to avoid everyone going through the back door.

That article mentions in the 'coming weeks'. If it happened in May/ early June then it would be in conflict with the existing €2,000 fine for travel to the airport for non-essential reasons wouldn't it?

By opening travel to the UK they would be effectively lifting the travel fine as far as I can imagine but lord knows what they will dream up.

Ray Donovan · 14-05-2021 08:58AM

eltonyio wrote: »

That article mentions in the 'coming weeks'. If it happened in May/ early June then it would be in conflict with the existing €2,000 fine for travel to the airport for non-essential reasons wouldn't it?

By opening travel to the UK they would be effectively lifting the travel fine as far as I can imagine but lord knows what they will dream up.

€2,000 kept for everywhere except UK????

eltonyio · 14-05-2021 09:02AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

€2,000 kept for everywhere except UK????

Nothing would surprise me, but surely that would be unenforceable.

Gael23 · 14-05-2021 09:05AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

€2,000 kept for everywhere except UK????

That would be thrown out in court

dalyboy · 14-05-2021 09:19AM

eltonyio wrote: »

Nothing would surprise me, but surely that would be unenforceable.

It would require the Gardai scanning every boarding pass before passengers pass the departure security gate. Totally unworkable.
I reckon as soon as CTA between Ireland & UK is passed the 2k is gone.

Ray Donovan · 14-05-2021 09:47AM

Gael23 wrote: »

That would be thrown out in court

Just like MHQ was?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 14-05-2021 09:49AM

eltonyio wrote: »

That article mentions in the 'coming weeks'. If it happened in May/ early June then it would be in conflict with the existing €2,000 fine for travel to the airport for non-essential reasons wouldn't it?

By opening travel to the UK they would be effectively lifting the travel fine as far as I can imagine but lord knows what they will dream up.

I would be inclined to say it would go for all destinations. It would cause serious problems with the EU if we chose to allow travel to a non EU country while blocking the EU.

I think the big news here is they have realised they're going to have a back door they cannot lock, and so the best way to prevent unrestricted entry into Ireland is to relax things a bit and at least have visability on movements.

As for timing, I think all eyes are on the UK and NI. From a practicle point of view, June 2nd would be easiest, or whatever date MHQ is due to expire. I have no doubt that'll remain (and to be fair it is probably a necessary evil for some countries), but it could change significantly.

The other thing this achieves is it pokes holes in their reasons for restricting travel if they are engaging with a country with high levels of the Indian variant.

Marcusm · 14-05-2021 09:50AM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-proposed-covid-19-travel-certificate-2021-05-11/ yeah they're still debating It by the looks of things, as a person who was infected with covid and kept being positive on pcrs for weeks after I hope they allow antigen.

This has been well known since last summer but just keeps getting ignored. My particular favourite story was of the U.K. university students who went to teach in summer schools in Italy. When it came time to go home, they needed something like 3 PCR tests each two days apart to be allowed to leave. After 6 weeks or so a number of them were still
Living in the quarantine hotel as they couldn’t get the right run of results. PCR tests for fragments of the RNA of the virus. The testing level was set to such a level of fragments that it could easily be triggered for months after the body had fought off the virus and killed it.

Marcusm · 14-05-2021 09:53AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, he's right:

"Negotiators must decide whether faster, but less accurate, COVID-19 antigen tests can be included in the certificate."

What I find odd, they also state that on one will be forced to use the system to travel. So how does that work?

I think the point is to set a level which is the maximum which can be requested to permit travel into an EU member state by residents from other member states. Maximum = the country of arrival could accept lower standards. Spain, for example, has laid down a marker by stating that it will accept U.K. citizens without a test or vaccination. It would be hard for Spain to insist on a higher standard for EY citizens but irrespective of this it cannot ask for more than the Digital Green Cert, ie Spain could not say vaccination only not testing.

M_Murphy57 · 14-05-2021 09:54AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

He also questioned whether Micheál Martin will be quarantining after his very essential to conduct in person meeting with Boris that absolutely couldn't be done over zoom. I remember Micheál's meeting with Joe Biden was similarly essential until Joe slapped down the idea.

Not to mention his totally essential in person jollier to Portugal not 2 weeks back.

MerlinSouthDub · 14-05-2021 10:14AM

Gael23 wrote: »

That would be thrown out in court

I think the €2,000 fine is likely to be unconstitutional ever since they opened up inter county travel. The constitution protects various freedoms, but with a public health get-out. But you can't really argue it's ok to travel anywhere in the country but there are public health reasons why you can't go to the airport!

It's unlikely anyone will challenge it at this stage - I agree it will have to go once they open up travel to the UK.

Tazz T · 14-05-2021 10:28AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Eddie Wilson was on Newstalk breakfast this morning talking about this. Ciara Kelly infuriatingly kept going on about holidays and acting as if she understands because sure she wants to go on holidays too :rolleyes: but Wilson kept reiterating that it's not just holidays, families are unable to see each other. Now I know he obviously has an interest in getting travel going again for business reasons, but it's refreshing to hear someone strongly argue that point instead of letting the "people just want off on their sun holidays" narrative take over.

He also questioned whether Micheál Martin will be quarantining after his very essential to conduct in person meeting with Boris that absolutely couldn't be done over zoom. I remember Micheál's meeting with Joe Biden was similarly essential until Joe slapped down the idea.

Regardless, at this stage the 'people just want sun holidays' narrative shouldn't be taboo. Greece has fully opened today for holidays with flights coming in from all over Europe and they're just getting over their 3rd wave. It will be very difficult to see the rationale for any travel restrictions come July with high levels of vaccination (potentially herd immunity), negligible serious illness/probably no deaths and few infections.

CJmasgrande · 14-05-2021 10:56AM

I know two Irish lads flying to Dublin from New York in August for a weeks holiday,

Is this allowed now? They haven't been vaccinated yet

M_Murphy57 · 14-05-2021 11:03AM

CJmasgrande wrote: »

I know two Irish lads flying to Dublin from New York in August for a weeks holiday,

Is this allowed now? They haven't been vaccinated yet

As in they are coming here?

Nothing stopping them at our end I dont think. Just self quarantine.

If it's the other way around they cant do it today but will probably be allowed by August.

All in, either way I'd say it's fine.

CJmasgrande · 14-05-2021 11:04AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

As in they are coming here?

Nothing stopping them at our end I dont think. Just self quarantine.

If it's the other way around they cant do it today but will probably be allowed by August.

All in, either way I'd say it's fine.

Yes they are coming to Ireland.

This is their 3rd trip over during Covid.

Very unfair yet we can't go anywhere

M_Murphy57 · 14-05-2021 11:08AM

CJmasgrande wrote: »

Yes they are coming to Ireland.

This is their 3rd trip over during Covid.

Very unfair yet we can't go anywhere

Well if this their 3rd trip then in theory they couldve been fined by the gards for the 1st two, same as the rest of us.

We can all book a flight to New York and go to the airport. People just dont because of the fine.

The injustice of allowing inward travel whilst preventing outbound travel isnt really those lads fault either to be fair and if they are Irish they can come home if they want.

If the dont follow quarantine rules that's a whole other matter

Unthought Known · 14-05-2021 11:13AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I think the €2,000 fine is likely to be unconstitutional ever since they opened up inter county travel. The constitution protects various freedoms, but with a public health get-out. But you can't really argue it's ok to travel anywhere in the country but there are public health reasons why you can't go to the airport!

It's unlikely anyone will challenge it at this stage - I agree it will have to go once they open up travel to the UK.

Isn't travel to the UK effectively opened up from 24th May when NI relax their restrictions? Hard to see how they can retain/justify the fine when it's legal to travel to NI for any reason and then legal to travel from there to the CTA for any reason. Having said that I have no expectation of anything changing here before 2nd June.

CJmasgrande · 14-05-2021 11:13AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Well if this their 3rd trip then in theory they couldve been fined by the gards for the 1st two, same as the rest of us.

We can all book a flight to New York and go to the airport. People just dont because of the fine.

The injustice of allowing inward travel whilst preventing outbound travel isnt really those lads fault either to be fair and if they are Irish they can come home if they want.

If the dont follow quarantine rules that's a whole other matter

They don't do quarantine rules, weird to know lots other Irish in USA who wouldn't dream of traveling

Micky 32 · 14-05-2021 11:22AM

Mc Donkey desperately trying to hold on to the reigns :rolleyes: looks like he doesn’t want to see any travel for next couple of years at least he’s obsessed with variants :

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1221512/

Valhallapt · 14-05-2021 11:26AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Mc Donkey desperately trying to hold on to the reigns :rolleyes: looks like he doesn’t want any travel for next couple of years at least :

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1221512/

I turn off the tv when he comes on, please don’t spread his permanent lockdown wet dream notions, he’s hell bent of destroying society.

Micky 32 · 14-05-2021 11:28AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I turn off the tv when he comes on, please don’t spread his permanent lockdown wet dream notions, he’s hell bent of destroying society.

He’s f*****g everywhere, even the local radio stations you can’t even turn on the radio he’s there! He sounds very neurotic on the radio. Talking a 100mph with a nervous shake in his voice. I hope he doesn’t get his way. He even said eliminating Covid is safer than the risks of taking the vaccine. He obviously has no faith in vaccines if he keeps predicting “waves”.

I give up…..

Donald Trump · 14-05-2021 11:31AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

We can all book a flight to New York and go to the airport. People just dont because of the fine.

Nope. Most people would be denied entry to the US, by US CBP, if you tried. Their airlines likely wouldn't even let you board due to US restrictions.

You would need to fall under one of their exemption categories ... which most people would not. Some on here might indeed have dual citizenship etc. but not the average Irish person on the street.

Corholio · 14-05-2021 11:33AM

I don't pay much attention to or even mention about RTE reporting as some do go overboard about it but when you see this you can see why. RTE reporting false reports in a story that would inevitably have been posted here to push the 'variant' story more.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0513/1221323-india-virus-global/

https://twitter.com/ronlondoncon/status/1391895711982264326?s=19

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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