Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

13-05-2021 04:41PM

[quote="Micky Ireland is fully signed up to it with the Digital Green Certificate, which he described as an exciting initiative.

You will have a QR code on your phone and it can be verified anywhere in the EU, assuming all the states sign up.”[/quote]

That's very encouraging

saabsaab · 13-05-2021 05:35PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You’re twisting it now, i’m talking about the vaccine and it doesn’t change the fact it works against the scariant.

I don't deny it works on an individual but if the variant spreads more easily and therefore make more people sick it is going to kill more. At least until a critical mass of the population is vaccinated. Until then no travel.

Micky 32 · 13-05-2021 05:43PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Long may it continue :pac:

That's an intersting development on the Astra Zenica.

I think you have to have the 2 doses to for travel purposes though by the looks of it.

M_Murphy57 · 13-05-2021 05:44PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Info on when we are classed as fully vaxxed and more info on travel:

“”What NIAC have concluded is that if you get a Johnson & Johnson dose you would be deemed fully vaccinated two weeks after that dose.

With AstraZeneca after your first dose they would view you to be fully vaccinated four weeks after your first dose, with Pfizer and Moderna it is one week and two weeks respectively after the second dose.

So essentially what that all means is that somewhere between two weeks and six weeks of your first dose of any of these you would be deemed to be fully vaccinated", he said.“”

Travel:

“”Minister Donnelly also said he is "very hopeful" about international travel this summer and reiterated that Ireland is fully signed up to it with the Digital Green Certificate, which he described as an exciting initiative.

You will have a QR code on your phone and it can be verified anywhere in the EU, assuming all the states sign up."

He said the European Commission has also contacted North America and Canada to try to create an expanded green zone.“”

Where are you taking these from? I want to read the good news myself !

Micky 32 · 13-05-2021 05:46PM

saabsaab wrote: »

I don't deny it works on an individual but if the variant spreads more easily and therefore make more people sick it is going to kill more. At least until a critical mass of the population is vaccinated. Until then no travel.

Once again we are talking about 2 different things. I’m quite aware of how the virus spreads etc. I’m talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines against the current variants. The vaccinated will still have their effective protection. Do you understand now ?

Micky 32 · 13-05-2021 05:52PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Where are you taking these from? I want to read the good news myself !

Believe it or not RTE were reporting it on their news app. Unfortunately can’t find it now .

The Davestator · 13-05-2021 05:54PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Where are you taking these from? I want to read the good news myself !

It was Pat Kenny this morning.

Although NIAC say you are fully qualified 4 weeks after your first jab, this will not count for travel at present. Countries are still discussing to make it standard

Micky 32 · 13-05-2021 05:58PM

Then you have Varadkar with a less optimistic view on travel. Saying it could be up to autumn before you can travel on a plane.

He also said this :

But he warned the risk remains with variants that could throw the re-opening plan awry.

Varadkar said: "Fourthly, there's always the concern about variants, that variants could upend our plans and that is the big caveat unfortunately when it comes to our plans."

Despite hopes for a return to international travel with the EU green certificate this summer, the Tanaiste urged Irish businesses to plan for local customers only.

He said: "For the foreseeable future anyway if you're doing your business plan it's going to be local business and local tourism rather than international tourism."

He added that there is a "strong case" to reopen travel between the UK and Ireland with no restrictions.

saabsaab · 13-05-2021 06:03PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Once again we are talking about 2 different things. I’m quite aware of how the virus spreads etc. I’m talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines against the current variants. The vaccinated will still have their effective protection. Do you understand now ?

The fully vaccinate will have their protection, agreed. As a community we need a critical mass vaccinated before opening up. Do you agree?

Corholio · 13-05-2021 06:06PM

NI Executive announced ease of their restrictions but didn't find that they mentioned international travel. They did announce that the essential travel reason is to be dropped for the Common Travel Area, not sure starting from when.

Micky 32 · 13-05-2021 06:08PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The fully vaccinate will have their protection, agreed. As a community we need a critical mass vaccinated before opening up. Do you agree?

We are talking about 2 different things :rolleyes:

saabsaab · 13-05-2021 06:14PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

We are talking about 2 different things :rolleyes:

Yes and both are true.

Feria40 · 13-05-2021 06:33PM

Corholio wrote: »

NI Executive announced ease of their restrictions but didn't find that they mentioned international travel. They did announce that the essential travel reason is to be dropped for the Common Travel Area, not sure starting from when.

One week behind the UK on dining indoors. Outside of the CTA no mention at all about travel or greenlists.

If the essential travel element has been removed from the CTA is it not a bit daft that they would not follow the UK greenlist

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 06:58PM

Lack of international travel in the NI announcement is music to out governments ears.

Bit of an effort to drive to Belfast, fly to England and jet off to sun desination.

brickster69 · 13-05-2021 07:08PM

Portugal extends ban for non EU travellers to 30th May

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-travel-firm-warns-on-portugal-holidays-due-to-eus-non-essential-travel-ban-12305309?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Chuck Norris 2021 · 13-05-2021 07:10PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

But he warned the risk remains with variants that could throw the re-opening plan awry.

Varadkar said: "Fourthly, there's always the concern about variants, that variants could upend our plans and that is the big caveat unfortunately when it comes to our plans."

He added that there is a "strong case" to reopen travel between the UK and Ireland with no restrictions.

So he's worried about variants, but clearly not the UK or Indian variety :rolleyes:.

You couldn't make this stuff up :pac:

Chuck Norris 2021 · 13-05-2021 07:13PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Lack of international travel in the NI announcement is music to out governments ears.

Bit of an effort to drive to Belfast, fly to England and jet off to sun desination.

I'd say it'll follow on pretty quickly. With all the disquiet amounst unionists at the moment, I can't see them being aligned with Ireland, while England goes in a different direction. They've had their fill I'd say already with being cut off by Brexit.

Happydays2020 · 13-05-2021 07:13PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I think you have to have the 2 doses to for travel purposes though by the looks of it.

Yes. Makes complete sense. 3 hours in a packed and stuffed train with dodgy air will be ok after 1 dose but an hour in a plane with surgery level air filters is not possible. Follow the science.

Corholio · 13-05-2021 07:14PM

Feria40 wrote: »

One week behind the UK on dining indoors. Outside of the CTA no mention at all about travel or greenlists.

If the essential travel element has been removed from the CTA is it not a bit daft that they would not follow the UK greenlist

They meet again on the 20th so hopefully some clarity there, unless things get announced over the weekend before the 17th.

Just read there that the dropping of the essential travel reason will be from the 24th May.

Could you fly from Belfast to London etc, remain in the airport and then onto European destination as long as you have all relevant tests etc? Nothing I'm missing out on right?

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 07:17PM

Currently if we fly from Dublin to sun destination you need a PCR test on way out and way back, home quarantine and we face the threat of a €2,000 fine.

What’s the current situation if you just flew from Belfast? To the best of my knowledge it’s the exact same without the fine.

Happydays2020 · 13-05-2021 07:21PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Currently if we fly from Dublin to sun destination we face the threat of a €2,000 fine.

What’s the current situation if you just flew from Belfast? No fine I presume, just an advisory?

Presumably no issues once we are allowed to travel inter county.

Corholio · 13-05-2021 07:28PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Currently if we fly from Dublin to sun destination you need a PCR test on way out and way back, home quarantine and we face the threat of a €2,000 fine.

What’s the current situation if you just flew from Belfast? To the best of my knowledge it’s the exact same without the fine.

Was wondering that too how it stands at the moment. These are the only fines I can see that they have detailed and none for travel like here, I could be wrong though.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-regulations-compliance-and-penalties

If you just fly Belfast to say Amsterdam etc, is there a fine? Not taking into account anything on the way back in.

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 08:06PM

Ok here is my very rough estimate on the story if you fly back into the England which is presumably what the North will follow.

Green Country: PCR to get in and PCR test 2 days after arrival. Passenger locator form to be filled in prior to arrival and it cant be completed without you having your PCR test on Day 2 booked through one of the many designated providers

Amber Country: PCR to get in, home quarantine and PCR on Day 2 and Day 8 after arrival. Passenger locator form to be filled in prior to arrival and it cant be completed without you having your PCR test on Day 2 and Day 8 booked through one of the many designated providers.

Red Country: Mandatory Hotel Quarantine.

So for example to fly from Ireland to the Canaries and back you need 2 PCR tests and threat of a €2,000 fine. To fly from England (and soon to be NI I would guess) and back you need 4 PCR's but no threat of a €2,000 fine.

Corholio · 13-05-2021 08:13PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Ok here is my very rough estimate on the story if you fly back into the England which is presumably what the North will follow.

Green Country: PCR to get in and PCR test 2 days after arrival. Passenger locator form to be filled in prior to arrival and it cant be completed without you having your PCR test on Day 2 booked through one of the many designated providers

Amber Country: PCR to get in, home quarantine and PCR on Day 2 and Day 8 after arrival. Passenger locator form to be filled in prior to arrival and it cant be completed without you having your PCR test on Day 2 and Day 8 booked through one of the many designated providers.

Red Country: Mandatory Hotel Quarantine.

So for example to fly from Ireland to the Canaries and back you need 2 PCR tests and threat of a €2,000 fine. To fly from England (and soon to be NI I would guess) and back you need 4 PCR's but no threat of a €2,000 fine.

Good roundup, thanks.

I plan on possibly flying out from Belfast and staying a few weeks in Netherlands at end of May, I'm not too worried atm about what's needed coming back. Do you know what the state of play is with flying from Belfast to Europe atm? I know England had a fine for travelling up to now, but couldn't find info on NI having one.

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 08:30PM

Corholio wrote: »

Good roundup, thanks.

I plan on possibly flying out from Belfast and staying a few weeks in Netherlands at end of May, I'm not too worried atm about what's needed coming back. Do you know what the state of play is with flying from Belfast to Europe atm? I know England had a fine for travelling up to now, but couldn't find info on NI having one.

I don't see anything to say NI would have a fine for this.

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 08:42PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/explainer-could-covid-19-certificates-be-our-ticket-to-eu-travel-this-summer-1100047.html

Some more of the same I suppose.

irishguitarlad · 13-05-2021 08:51PM

Hi lads I was just looking at the Green cert that is being introduced to travel within eu-member states and they said that a negative antigen test was one of the necessities, yet then I saw Donnelly on with Pat Kenny saying today that they're rubbish. Will Ireland stay with PCR testing for travellers while the rest of the world moves on with antigen?

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 08:53PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Hi lads I was just looking at the Green cert that is being introduced to travel within eu-member states and they said that a negative antigen test was one of the necessities, yet then I saw Donnelly on with Pat Kenny saying today that they're rubbish. Will Ireland stay with PCR testing for travellers while the rest of the world moves on with antigen?

Source for where it says antigen?

13-05-2021 09:03PM

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Hi lads I was just looking at the Green cert that is being introduced to travel within eu-member states and they said that a negative antigen test was one of the necessities, yet then I saw Donnelly on with Pat Kenny saying today that they're rubbish. Will Ireland stay with PCR testing for travellers while the rest of the world moves on with antigen?

Well antigen would be a good option purely for traveling but not really from a detection point of view.

It's hard to say, it's like being on a rollercoaster. Today was a good news / encouraging day so tomorrow will probable be doom and gloom

Ray Donovan · 13-05-2021 09:03PM

And some positive news/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-government-expected-to-reconsider-quarantine-rules-1.4564560?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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