Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

13-05-2021 10:03AM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

"A spokesman for Garda Headquarters said it was not policy to discuss ongoing investigations."

Wow so the other unnamed garda source who said it was case closed was completely blowing smoke.

I never would have guessed it.

Again,the other Garda source said it was nearing completion
They didn't say it was closed
A lot of hyperbole in this thread

It looks to me like Cosgrave's interview has prompted the investigation team to look at O'Tuathails texts
They don't need an old phone to do that as whatsapp messages carry over phone to phone if not deleted and auto back up is on

McMurphy · 13-05-2021 10:10AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Again,the other Garda source said it was nearing completion
They didn't say it was closed
A lot of hyperbole in this thread

It looks to me like Cosgrave's interview has prompted the investigation team to look at O'Tuathails texts
They don't need an old phone to do that as whatsapp messages carry over phone to phone if not deleted and auto back up is on

Only if the Guards or Paddy Cosgrave, have a time machine.

Detectives learnt about the existence of the messages on April 7 after they took a statement from the witness, a publican from south Dublin. He was interviewed at Irishtown garda station in Dublin, where he was asked if he had copies of text exchanges with Ó Tuathail. His handset was subsequently seized under warrant by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) on April 27.

Paddy was interviewed on May the 11th.

13-05-2021 10:26AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Only if the Guards or Paddy Cosgrave, have a time machine.

Paddy was interviewed on May the 11th.

I was referring to O'Tuathails phone which I thought was the one 'seized'
Hadnt read the article quoted
So this was a good while before the Debbie McCann Sunday mail article quoting the Garda source as saying not enough evidence etc ?
You've posted you think she'd have good sources having been involved in a tribunal,do you still think that?

McMurphy · 13-05-2021 10:37AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

I was referring to O'Tuathails phone which I thought was the one 'seized'
Hadnt read the article quoted
So this was a good while before the Debbie McCann Sunday mail article quoting the Garda source as saying not enough evidence etc ?
You've posted you think she'd have good sources having been involved in a tribunal,do you still think that?

I believe Debbie McCann has good sources from within the Gardai, still do. She didn't say her info was coming from within Gardai though.

I already went over her article, and stated that it will be a binary outcome for Leo regardless, ie he'll either be charged or he won't. When you go past the glossy headlines, that's actually what she said in the article.

A source said: ‘There is insufficient evidence to support a charge and gardai will potentially recommend no prosecution, though they may also simply outline the facts and leave it for the DPP to decide.’

Potentially recommend no prosecution, though they might not either = means heads or tails to this poster.

In saying that, wondering why no other paper ran with the "scoop" bar extra.ie, hardly a well known Sunday newspaper now in fairness.

13-05-2021 10:44AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I believe Debbie McCann has good sources from within the Gardai, still do. She didn't say her info was coming from within Gardai though.

I already went over her article, and stated that it will be a binary outcome for Leo regardless, ie he'll either be charged or he won't. When you go past the glossy headlines, that's actually what she said in the article.

Potentially recommend no prosecution, though they might not either = means heads or tails to this poster.

In saying that, wondering why no other paper ran with the "scoop" bar extra.ie, hardly a well known Sunday newspaper now in fairness.

Well she wrote it for the Irish mail on Sunday,so presumably it was in their prited version
But thats about it
I'd imagine the other papers are waiting the outcome at this stage

13-05-2021 10:51AM

He will either be charged or he won’t. Stunning insight.

Is this the end · 13-05-2021 10:55AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Well she wrote it for the Irish mail on Sunday,so presumably it was in their prited version
But thats about it
I'd imagine the other papers are waiting the outcome at this stage

It wasnt in the Irish Times print version

McMurphy · 13-05-2021 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He will either be charged or he won’t. Stunning insight.

Yeah well done for pointing out something in the article I already pointed out the day it broke doc. Well done.

McMurphy wrote: »

Exactly, it's going to be a binary outcome no matter what, and that Garda source is saying he might be prosecuted, but then again he might not. It's up to the DPP.

skimpydoo · 13-05-2021 11:18AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's two nights in a row you've been up at 1am demanding apologies from me. I'm in bed early as I'm up early working every day.

I've nothing to apologise for. I asked you a genuine question and you answered. I'd never heard that phrase before.

Is that the best you can come up with?

If you have not heard that phrase before, then just apologise saying you have not heard it before.

I will not have accusations of homophobia held against me.

skimpydoo · 13-05-2021 11:25AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I believe Debbie McCann has good sources from within the Gardai, still do. She didn't say her info was coming from within Gardai though.

I already went over her article, and stated that it will be a binary outcome for Leo regardless, ie he'll either be charged or he won't. When you go past the glossy headlines, that's actually what she said in the article.

Potentially recommend no prosecution, though they might not either = means heads or tails to this poster.

In saying that, wondering why no other paper ran with the "scoop" bar extra.ie, hardly a well known Sunday newspaper now in fairness.

extra.ie is owned by the Daily Mail, its their version of Dublin Live which is owned by the Mirror newspaper group.

Baggly · 13-05-2021 11:26AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

That's two nights in a row you've been up at 1am demanding apologies from me. I'm in bed early as I'm up early working every day.

I've nothing to apologise for. I asked you a genuine question and you answered. I'd never heard that phrase before.

skimpydoo wrote: »

Is that the best you can come up with?

If you have not heard that phrase before, then just apologise saying you have not heard it before.

I will not have accusations of homophobia held against me.

Mod

Both of you quit the bickering or you will lose your posting privileges.

Larbre34 · 13-05-2021 11:41AM

A publican from South Dublin?

Maybe it'll be your lad from the Berlin Bar and footage will emerge of the contract being handed over during a big orgy while dancing on the tables, then someone can call it GUBU and we can all get on with our lives.

Is this the end · 13-05-2021 11:54AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

A publican from South Dublin?

Maybe it'll be your lad from the Berlin Bar and footage will emerge of the contract being handed over during a big orgy while dancing on the tables, then someone can call it GUBU and we can all get on with our lives.

Yeh it's all a big laugh

nialler1978 · 13-05-2021 11:01PM

This “nothing burger” whatever the f*ck that is, is set to continue for quite sometime it seems.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/investigation-of-varadkar-leak-to-continue-into-summer-1.4564580?mode=amp

I’d say that top notch journalist McCann should probably find a new source, or perhaps try and upskill with some creative writing courses.

Still nothing to see here.

Larbre34 · 13-05-2021 11:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fairly serious implication there. You mean the Gardai don't go by the book when 'mere' mortals are involved?

From the IT piece:

"However, sources said widening the number of interviews arose as gardaí were determined to do a comprehensive inquiry. It did not mean any change in the core allegations or reflect any increased likelihood of charges."

What say you now Francie? I implied it, because unlike you, I am not naive.

However, this remains a nothing burger and the Guards are drawing it out till the silly season so that everyone wi....yawn.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

nialler1978 · 13-05-2021 11:54PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

From the IT piece:

"However, sources said widening the number of interviews arose as gardaí were determined to do a comprehensive inquiry. It did not mean any change in the core allegations or reflect any increased likelihood of charges."

What say you now Francie? I implied it, because unlike you, I am not naive.

However, this remains a nothing burger and the Guards are drawing it out till the silly season so that everyone wi....yawn.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

This is up there with the most idiotic post on any forum I’ve ever read. Anyway...

This is to all the Leo FG fan club and multiple account users, potential members of FG and employees, It may be tough, but time to accept that the Gardaí are still conducting an investigation, there is something to investigate and we’ve yet to see the outcome because in reality, none of us know. But what we do know is that there is definitely not “nothing to see here” which has been shouted from the rafters since its outset.

As an aside, saying the “guards” are “drawing it out till silly season” is hugely disrespectful to the Gardaí and suggests they are corrupt in not doing due diligence. Shameful comment.

Larbre34 · 14-05-2021 12:15AM

Calm down princess, you might strain your farting string.

I don't give anyone my unconditional respect, its a constantly updating situation. I respect the Guards in much of what they do, not so much in other ways.

What I'm saying here really has nothing to do with them, they have been drawn into the circus of hearsay and time wasting and they are letting it die a slow death so as not to have to tolerate some investigation instigated by the same bunch of shytehawks who concocted this waste of everyone's time in the first place!

This is now a farce.

jimmycrackcorm · 14-05-2021 12:17AM

nialler1978 wrote: »

This is up there with the most idiotic post on any forum I’ve ever read. Anyway...

This is to all the Leo FG fan club and multiple account users, potential members of FG and employees, It may be tough, but time to accept that the Gardaí are still conducting an investigation, there is something to investigate and we’ve yet to see the outcome because in reality, none of us know. But what we do know is that there is definitely not “nothing to see here” which has been shouted from the rafters since its outset.

As an aside, saying the “guards” are “drawing it out till silly season” is hugely disrespectful to the Gardaí and suggests they are corrupt in not doing due diligence. Shameful comment.

When it comes to investigating the Tanaiste / Taoiseach at the time, of course the Gardai will be under extreme scrutiny to demonstrate that nothing has been left out.

Which explains the detail in the investigation includes seizing the phone of a publican because:

The text messages were sent by Maitiú Ó Tuathail, the doctor who obtained a copy of a confidential government contract from Varadkar in 2019 when he was taoiseach. The messages make specific reference to a social media post which Varadkar, now the tanaiste, shared on his official Twitter account about a fundraising event. Another text refers to Varadkar’s attendance at a barbecue. Ó Tuathail has previously described the contents of the texts as jokes between friends.

Very serious stuff indeed.

Fann Linn · 14-05-2021 07:23AM

Gardai after grabbing more phones from Leo's mates just to see how close these friends/not friends really were according to the Times.

FrancieBrady · 14-05-2021 09:12AM

Don't look like it is coming to a conclusion any time soon, despite the experts pn here or 'sources'.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/investigation-of-varadkar-leak-to-continue-into-summer-1.4564580?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcourts%2Fhigh-court%2Finvestigation-of-varadkar-leak-to-continue-into-summer-1.4564580

Rows Grower · 14-05-2021 09:32AM

It hasn't gone away you know.

The attitude of some of the Leo fan club in this thread is very amusing without of course them meaning it to be. He's developed a bit of a cult following it seems much like Trump did when he could do no wrong in some infatuated peoples eyes.

Much like Trump, Leo is all about his narcistic self and couldn't give a dam about the party he represents. The man needs to step aside until this investigation is complete, the absolute audacity of him to go on the airwaves and declare it will be found he did nothing wrong is mind boggling.

McMurphy · 14-05-2021 10:48AM

Jesus this thing is being dragged out and out, seems more and more are being dragged into it as time goes on.

Maybe after work this evening I might go over some of the early contributions to the thread and reread some of the predictions that this would all blow over in a matter of weeks.

Nearly June - and still rumbling on, doing him no favours, "fine gael sources" not happy apparently.

Not going away.

blanch152 · 14-05-2021 11:02AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Calm down princess, you might strain your farting string.

I don't give anyone my unconditional respect, its a constantly updating situation. I respect the Guards in much of what they do, not so much in other ways.

What I'm saying here really has nothing to do with them, they have been drawn into the circus of hearsay and time wasting and they are letting it die a slow death so as not to have to tolerate some investigation instigated by the same bunch of shytehawks who concocted this waste of everyone's time in the first place!

This is now a farce.

Hadn't thought of that angle. The likes of Cosgrave and idiot politicians like Doherty and Murphy will be straight to GSOC if there is no decision to prosecute. The Gardai will need to dot every "i" and cross every "t", even though they know they are wasting their time.

McMurphy · 14-05-2021 11:09AM

Another way of looking at it is there's too much information in the public domain, and possibly lots more not in it, that some of the key players have, and the Gardai know they have.

Just throwing it out there, but it's maybe not as easy to brush this whole thing under the carpet as some might have liked it to be.
Digital footprints are a nuisance, Leo got careless.

Not going away.

FrancieBrady · 14-05-2021 11:15AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Another way of looking at it is there's too much information in the public domain, and possibly lots more not in it, that some of the key players have, and the Gardai know they have.

Just throwing it out there, but it's maybe not as easy to brush this whole thing under the carpet as some might have liked it to be.
Digital footprints are a nuisance, Leo got careless.

Not going away.

I'm a bit shocked I have to say that the normal defenders of the power swap are flat out intimating that the Gardai only do their jobs properly when it is a high profile case. Surely there is something rotten at the heart of the state if that is the case?

How many now have used that excuse for the length of the criminal investigation?

Fann Linn · 14-05-2021 11:19AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Hadn't thought of that angle. The likes of Cosgrave and idiot politicians like Doherty and Murphy will be straight to GSOC if there is no decision to prosecute. The Gardai will need to dot every "i" and cross every "t", even though they know they are wasting their time.

Nothing to do with that at all. First paragraph of the Times nails it. Leo played down the extent of his friendship with ZeroCraic, ZeroCraics statement suggests otherwise. Gardai just want to see how far this 'friendship' went and whether there was any breaches of two Acts in relation to giving confidential documents and bestowing influence to friends.

McMurphy · 14-05-2021 11:28AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Nothing to do with that at all. First paragraph of the Times nails it. Leo played down the extent of his friendship with ZeroCraic, ZeroCraics statement suggests otherwise. Gardai just want to see how far this 'friendship' went and whether there was any breaches of two Acts in relation to giving confidential documents and bestowing influence to friends.

There's also this.

Mr Varadkar was at the centre of the investigation from the outset, and remains at the centre of the inquiry. However, it is also possible other people would face charges if any suspected criminal activity came to light relating to the leak or its aftermath.

Weren't some on this thread asking who or why "others could be charged,"?

Seems the above is why.

14-05-2021 11:29AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Nothing to do with that at all. First paragraph of the Times nails it. Leo played down the extent of his friendship with ZeroCraic, ZeroCraics statement suggests otherwise. Gardai just want to see how far this 'friendship' went and whether there was any breaches of two Acts in relation to giving confidential documents and bestowing influence to friends.

I think that O’Toole read more into a casual acquaintance than there was. He comes across as being a lover scorned. And Hell hath no fury......

Fann Linn · 14-05-2021 11:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that O’Toole read more into a casual acquaintance than there was. He comes across as being a lover scorned. And Hell hath no fury......

Hence the reason why all the phones are been lifted,

McMurphy · 14-05-2021 11:34AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that O’Toole read more into a casual acquaintance than there was. He comes across as being a lover scorned. And Hell hath no fury......

I wouldn't be risking my career, nor any legal ramifications by leaking sensitive information to a casual acquaintance Maryann, that's for sure.

As for the lover scorn bit, I'm going to sit back and watch the homophobic accusations that will undoubtedly roll in now on the back of that, as surely would have, had anyone not "pro fg" posted that.

Just wait and see.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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