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Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭jmcc


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    I don't see an apology coming as Paddy is suddenly keeping a low profile.
    That is a rather ominous development.

    Regards...jmcc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I was reading back this thread, and the Gardai source at the weekend said this was all over.

    2 days into the new week and people are getting brought in for questioning on a case thats closed. Very bizzare

    You'll have heard the phrase, 'going through the motions' before?

    The Guards are doing this utterly by the book, they've had quite enough of their time wasted, without having to endure a GSOC complaint of improper procedure.

    Who knows, maybe Paddy and Chay will be booked for wasting police time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You'll have heard the phrase, 'going through the motions' before?

    The Guards are doing this utterly by the book, they've had quite enough of their time wasted, without having to endure a GSOC complaint of improper procedure.

    Who knows, maybe Paddy and Chay will be booked for wasting police time!

    Fairly serious implication there. You mean the Gardai don't go by the book when 'mere' mortals are involved?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Is this the end


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    You'll have heard the phrase, 'going through the motions' before?

    The Guards are doing this utterly by the book, they've had quite enough of their time wasted, without having to endure a GSOC complaint of improper procedure.

    Who knows, maybe Paddy and Chay will be booked for wasting police time!

    Reporting a suspected crime is not wasting police time. If the police thought it was wasting their time, they would have dropped this months ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Reporting a suspected crime is not wasting police time. If the police thought it was wasting their time, they would have dropped this months ago
    They certainly wouldn't have upgraded it to a criminal investigation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    The need to pillory and nickname the whistleblowers and those who broke this story betrays a nasty bitterness. Barbra J Pym level stuff.

    Who? WiFi boy? He's not the whistleblower. Just a loudmouth blowhard.

    Chay Bowes is the 'whistleblower'. Odd enough character from what I can gather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Odd enough character from what I can gather.

    QED


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Is this the end


    Who? WiFi boy? He's not the whistleblower. Just a loudmouth blowhard.

    Chay Bowes is the 'whistleblower'. Odd enough character from what I can gather.

    The Gardai have previous in making allegations against whistleblowers, i doubt they would go there again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Who? WiFi boy? He's not the whistleblower. Just a loudmouth blowhard.

    Chay Bowes is the 'whistleblower'. Odd enough character from what I can gather.

    Isn't Chay the person who had homophobic stuff plastered all over his Twitter feed?
    Also had a strange love for Putin...

    Odd fellow alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    markodaly wrote: »
    Isn't Chay the person who had homophobic stuff plastered all over his Twitter feed?
    Also had a strange love for Putin...

    Odd fellow alright.



    You should've seen what Harris had on his.
    Also had a strange love for the old Commies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You should've seen what Harris had on his.
    Also had a strange love for the old Commies.

    Who is Harris and how is this related to the topic at hand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    I generally don't mind your style and shtick, but this is utterly pathetic.

    It's just what these type of posters do. Throws these types of grenades and then ignore all posts calling them out on it. I think there's another word for that...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Fairly serious implication there. You mean the Gardai don't go by the book when 'mere' mortals are involved?

    Don't be naive, its unbecoming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Don't be naive, its unbecoming.

    You said it, not I.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Is this the end




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,074 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Who? WiFi boy? He's not the whistleblower. Just a loudmouth blowhard.

    Chay Bowes is the 'whistleblower'. Odd enough character from what I can gather.

    Paddy where is your apology?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    Paddy where is your apology?

    That's two nights in a row you've been up at 1am demanding apologies from me. I'm in bed early as I'm up early working every day.

    I've nothing to apologise for. I asked you a genuine question and you answered. I'd never heard that phrase before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    While on the subject, headline in today's Times reports that the Gardai have confiscated the phone from a publican in Dublin and are continuing to widen the investigation.
    Hasn't gone away yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Full article here.
    Gardai have seized a mobile phone from a Dublin man as part of the force’s inquiry into the leaking of a confidential document by Leo Varadkar.

    The text messages were sent by Maitiú Ó Tuathail, the doctor who obtained a copy of a confidential government contract from Varadkar in 2019 when he was taoiseach. The messages make specific reference to a social media post which Varadkar, now the tanaiste, shared on his official Twitter account about a fundraising event. Another text refers to Varadkar’s attendance at a barbecue. Ó Tuathail has previously described the contents of the texts as jokes between friends.

    Detectives learnt about the existence of the messages on April 7 after they took a statement from the witness, a publican from south Dublin. He was interviewed at Irishtown garda station in Dublin, where he was asked if he had copies of text exchanges with Ó Tuathail. His handset was subsequently seized under warrant by detectives from the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation (NBCI) on April 27.

    The witness, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was first contacted by gardai after other witnesses said they believed he was in possession of private texts which Ó Tuathail had sent to third parties about Varadkar.

    The seizure of the handset from an ancillary witness suggests the NBCI investigation into Varadkar is widening.

    Varadkar is the focus of an ongoing criminal investigation into the leaking of a confidential document while he was taoiseach in 2019. The inquiry is examining whether the leak constitutes a breach of the Official Secrets Act or the Criminal Justice (Corruption Offences) Act 2018, which makes it an offence to provide documents bestowing influence to friends.

    Gardai still do not know why Varadkar allegedly used his influence to obtain a copy of a confidential contract held by the Department of Health and discreetly leak it to Ó Tuathail. The investigation has established the two men were good friends, formed part of the same social group and shared each other’s social media posts.

    The tanaiste was questioned under caution by detectives on April 9 about why he gave a proposed contract between the Department of Health and the Irish Medical Organisation to Ó Tuathail, a former president of the rival National Association of General Practitioners (NAGP).

    Ó Tuathail has also been questioned by officers. Both men have denied knowingly breaking any law. Varadkar has publicly apologised for his actions. The tanaiste has said he passed on the document only to encourage the NAGP to sign up to the same deal.

    The bureau is continuing to approach and question people who, it believes, have information about the events under investigation.

    Details of how Ó Tuathail acquired a copy of the contract were first revealed by Village magazine in November. Ó Tuathail had photographed the front page of the contract and circulated the image to members of the NAGP on a WhatsApp group with the words: “To be fair, Leo always delivers.”

    Chay Bowes, a former NAGP member who disclosed the existence of the messages, has been interviewed by bureau detectives. He is due to be interviewed again.

    Paddy Cosgrave, the Tech Summit founder who is a friend of Bowes, met detectives on Tuesday morning. It’s understood gardai wanted to establish if he had possession of any information or evidence which might advance the inquiry. Cosgrave declined to comment when contacted.

    The publican, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also declined to comment when contacted yesterday. Calls to Varadkar’s spokesman went unanswered last night. A spokesman for Garda Headquarters said it was not policy to discuss ongoing investigations.


    Phone seized because of text messages OTuathail describes as "jokes between friends":confused:

    Honestly no idea what that might be about.........but according to that, the case is "widening".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    "A spokesman for Garda Headquarters said it was not policy to discuss ongoing investigations."

    Wow so the other unnamed garda source who said it was case closed was completely blowing smoke.

    I never would have guessed it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭LeakyLime


    If there was nothing to see here, this thing would not still be moving along.

    Are those text messages referred to in today's article, ones previously published?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    It looks like things are getting more interesting and its squeaky bum time for Leo.

    Unfortunately I doubt it. Let's look at the reality here.

    Despite the fact that Leo stood in the Dail and admitted it, despite the screengrabs of the conversation between MOT and others, and despite Simon Harris effectively throwing Leo under the bus as well, we have to remember where we live here.

    This in a country where we still have a TD in the Dail who was involved in a high profile scandal in the 90s (another FGer incidentally) and who still is elected and paid by the taxpayer despite the findings of the very expensive and lengthy tribunal. Where AGS have been involved in numerous scandals themselves, and where most of the key people in the justice system are political appointees. Remember the farce with Seamus Woulfe refusing to resign and ignoring the Chief Justice? (his boss).

    In a normal country Leo would have already stood aside or resigned in disgrace for bringing the office and FG into disrepute but I really doubt he'll face any consequences on this one - at least not from a prosecution or party expulsion perspective. He might fail to be re-elected next time out (it took him long enough last time), but even at that, or if he doesn't run at all, he can move to a nice cushy EU job or the lobby/lecture circuit.

    It's wrong (on a far wider scale than just Leo and this case), but this is the country we live in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    LeakyLime wrote: »
    Are those text messages referred to in today's article, ones previously published?

    Doubtful.

    Can't get my head around what this could mean, like what's the significance between texts to a publican, from OTuathail and what has Leo's social media pages/a barbecue got to do with it?

    Might be a load of nothing tbh.


  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Doubtful.

    Can't get my head around what this could mean, like what's the significance between texts to a publican, from OTuathail and what has Leo's social media pages/a barbecue got to do with it?

    Might be a load of nothing tbh.

    Leave it to the professionals, Murf, and enjoy your day. Complete nothingburger. This story shouldn’t be taking up any significant bandwidth with anyone. Waste of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Full article here.



    Don't think you're allowed repost entire articles like that when they're behind a paywall?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭nialler1978


    Don't think you're allowed repost entire articles like that when they're behind a paywall?

    There's a month free, we're all on the month free at the moment. If you aren't and you've read it you've broken the rules and should apologise to the Times and avert your eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Doubtful.

    Can't get my head around what this could mean, like what's the significance between texts to a publican, from OTuathail and what has Leo's social media pages/a barbecue got to do with it?

    Might be a load of nothing tbh.

    Screenshots of text messages published in an online article are not going to be credible pieces of evidence. They need to phone to verify that the screenshots are genuine. Doesn’t mean they’ll get any new information from the phone. However if the messages are to be used in court they’d have to come from a credible source, which is the phone itself.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Doubtful.

    Can't get my head around what this could mean, like what's the significance between texts to a publican, from OTuathail and what has Leo's social media pages/a barbecue got to do with it?

    Might be a load of nothing tbh.

    My reading of it is that O’Toole forwarded private messages either from Leo or from a group chat to the publican.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Don't think you're allowed repost entire articles like that when they're behind a paywall?

    Sue me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Doubtful.

    Can't get my head around what this could mean, like what's the significance between texts to a publican, from OTuathail and what has Leo's social media pages/a barbecue got to do with it?

    Might be a load of nothing tbh.

    I presume they want to find out why the document was leaked. The text messages might reference some unofficial arrangement would be my guess.


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