Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

tobsey

nialler1978 wrote: »

Amazingly enough he is not the first politician to have his appearance criticised. I think it's happened, once or..... maybe to almost every single one of them, it is mocked as showbusiness for ugly people for a reason. For some reason now Leo's appearance is totally off the cards? Is it because it is homophobic? Racist?

I never said it's off the cards. I'd disagree with criticising any politician's appearance though, regardless of their party. It smacks of desperation from some on here who've run out of points to make on this thread, yet they're determined to keep it going.

nialler1978 wrote: »

His appearance was commented upon primarily because he seems to be under a lot of pressure and it is showing, he is under criminal investigation, it must be taking its toll.

I doubt it is. Two selective photos, at two very different situations with very different expressions on his face doesn't really show anything. He's said from the start he believes he's committed no crime. Nothing has come out to indicate he should change his mind.

Larbre34

nialler1978 wrote: »

You need to get the thesaurus out lad, or if you have Word type 'farce' highlight it and press shift+f7. BINGO! You've got loads of new words to make whatever argument you are making even more convincing. Thank me later

You went to so much trouble, looks like I'll be withholding the rent for your head again this month.

CruelSummer

If the likes of Paddy Cosgrave (tweeted yesterday about screwing Ireland over re hundreds of thousands of multinational jobs and corporate taxes, while he himself has his money in US tax havens) and Paul Murphy (who was involved in harassing Joan Burton previously), are being entertained by the Gardaí, I fear for the future of the Irish state. What a farce.

nialler1978

CruelSummer wrote: »

If the likes of Paddy Cosgrave (tweeted yesterday about screwing Ireland over re hundreds of thousands of multinational jobs and corporate taxes, while he himself has his money in US tax havens) and Paul Murphy (who was involved in harassing Joan Burton previously), are being entertained by the Gardaí, I fear for the future of the Irish state. What a farce.

What’s this got to do with the title of the thread and Leo Varadkar being criminally investigated for leaking confidential documents?

Fann Linn

nialler1978 wrote: »

What’s this got to do with the title of the thread and Leo Varadkar being criminally investigated for leaking confidential documents?

It's called deflection. Normally used in FFG threads and comes with the response, 'but Bobby Storey funeral, but SF, but.....

nialler1978

Fann Linn wrote: »

It's called deflection. Normally used in FFG threads and comes with the response, 'but Bobby Storey funeral, but SF, but.....

Is it? That’s poor form, doesn’t someone usually step in at this point and dish out a warning? Speaking from experience here when I have gone against the rules.

Suckit

Marine Layer wrote: »

LOL, that this has nothing to do with Paddy Cosgrave, who it is reported introduced Bowes to the village and was interviewed by the team
LOL, that the noise is coming from the media, they are reporting the facts of the investigation as told to them by their sources
LOL at the notion the bulk of the noise isn't coming from the pirate flag set who think they're relevant, but like me and you, they aren't, they're niche's on the Internet, seen too much by you and me as we hang around in the same space
Apologies in advance for my use of the Lol there, it's just, I hold a polar opposite opinion to you here and ain't offended by your opinions, disagreement is healthy

LOL all you want. It doesn't change the facts. Leo brought this upon himself. It is a criminal investigation and an ongoing one because they have discovered things upon the initial investigation that they deemed worthy of upgrading to a more serious one. It may have started as an investigation to Leo, but now it sounds like there may be a few others that they are also looking at.
I am not saying that the pirates aren't making any noise, I am saying that it is largely irrelevant that they are, and that the main and relevant 'noise' is coming from the media, realistically the only noise worth listening to.
Unless you think the pirate noise is disrupting or influencing any outcome of this investigation?
Leo has done wrong. Leo has acknowledged that he has done wrong. Leo's wrongdoing has resulted in (so far) a criminal investigation into him and his wrongdoing, causing all of the noise that you are complaining about.

CruelSummer

nialler1978 wrote: »

What’s this got to do with the title of the thread and Leo Varadkar being criminally investigated for leaking confidential documents?

Are you trying to deflect from the fact that Paddy Cosgrave and Paul Murphy are behind this whole charade? Why do you not want this discussed when it DIRECTLY relates to how this investigation came about. Paddy was also interviewed by Gardai this week. You can’t pick and choose what parts of this investigation you want discussed.
- Paddy Cosgrave, US tax haven specialist, Portuguese employer is behind this getting published in The Village magazine. He introduced Chay Bowes to the Village crowd and has been instrumental in keeping this whole charade going, all the while naming calling elected TD’s ‘Castle Catholic’s, slagging people who buy houses in areas of Dublin considered not upmarket enough for him, and generally spouting hyoiciracy and lies from his Twitter account daily - including that two nurses had died from covid in March 2020 which was incorrect.
- Paul Murphy had been involved in a number of questionable protest activities during his time, including harassing elected officials and other such actions. He has a Communist ideology, and will do anything he can to ‘take down’ anyone who doesn’t share his view. Let’s not forget Jobstown.

Fann Linn

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to deflect from the fact that Paddy Cosgrave and Paul Murphy are behind this whole charade? Why do you not want this discussed when it DIRECTLY relates to how this investigation came about. Paddy was also interviewed by Gardai this week. You can’t pick and choose what parts of this investigation you want discussed.
- Paddy Cosgrave, US tax haven specialist, Portuguese employer is behind this getting published in The Village magazine. He introduced Chay Bowes to the Village crowd and has been instrumental in keeping this whole charade going, all the while naming calling elected TD’s ‘Castle Catholic’s, slagging people who buy houses in areas of Dublin considered not upmarket enough for him, and generally spouting hyoiciracy and lies from his Twitter account daily - including that two nurses had died from covid in March 2020 which was incorrect.
- Paul Murphy had been involved in a number of questionable protest activities during his time, including harassing elected officials and other such actions. He has a Communist ideology, and will do anything he can to ‘take down’ anyone who doesn’t share his view. Let’s not forget Jobstown.

It's Varadkars fault. No one else's.

nialler1978

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to deflect from the fact that Paddy Cosgrave and Paul Murphy are behind this whole charade? Why do you not want this discussed when it DIRECTLY relates to how this investigation came about. Paddy was also interviewed by Gardai this week. You can’t pick and choose what parts of this investigation you want discussed.
- Paddy Cosgrave, US tax haven specialist, Portuguese employer is behind this getting published in The Village magazine. He introduced Chay Bowes to the Village crowd and has been instrumental in keeping this whole charade going, all the while naming calling elected TD’s ‘Castle Catholic’s, slagging people who buy houses in areas of Dublin considered not upmarket enough for him, and generally spouting hyoiciracy and lies from his Twitter account daily - including that two nurses had died from covid in March 2020 which was incorrect.
- Paul Murphy had been involved in a number of questionable protest activities during his time, including harassing elected officials and other such actions. He has a Communist ideology, and will do anything he can to ‘take down’ anyone who doesn’t share his view. Let’s not forget Jobstown.

What’s this got to do with the title of the thread and Leo Varadkar being criminally investigated for leaking confidential documents to his friend/not friend?

Anyone here moderating going to step in and remind us of this?

skimpydoo

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to deflect from the fact that Paddy Cosgrave and Paul Murphy are behind this whole charade? Why do you not want this discussed when it DIRECTLY relates to how this investigation came about. Paddy was also interviewed by Gardai this week. You can’t pick and choose what parts of this investigation you want discussed.
- Paddy Cosgrave, US tax haven specialist, Portuguese employer is behind this getting published in The Village magazine. He introduced Chay Bowes to the Village crowd and has been instrumental in keeping this whole charade going, all the while naming calling elected TD’s ‘Castle Catholic’s, slagging people who buy houses in areas of Dublin considered not upmarket enough for him, and generally spouting hyoiciracy and lies from his Twitter account daily - including that two nurses had died from covid in March 2020 which was incorrect.
- Paul Murphy had been involved in a number of questionable protest activities during his time, including harassing elected officials and other such actions. He has a Communist ideology, and will do anything he can to ‘take down’ anyone who doesn’t share his view. Let’s not forget Jobstown.

Get your head out of the sand and face facts and the bigger picture. It's Leo own fault that he is in this mess, not Paddy Cosgrave or Paul Murphy. As each day goes by your precious Leo is slipping into deeper and deeper ****. Let that sink in but I bet you won't because in your eyes Leo can do no wrong.

CruelSummer

nialler1978 wrote: »

What’s this got to do with the title of the thread and Leo Varadkar being criminally investigated for leaking confidential documents to his friend/not friend?

Anyone here moderating going to step in and remind us of this?

Are you trying to silence a poster highlighting who is responsible for this investigation? What gives you the right to decide who posts what in relation to this story in the Village magazine which is the thread title.
Are you trying to mod this forum through posts despite not being a moderator? Paddy Cosgrave was interviewed by Gardai in relation to this investigation this week. It was printed in all mainstream media that it was also Cosgrave who introduced Chay Bowes to The Village magazine, to print the article in which the title of this thread is based.
Does Chay Bowes regularly tweet ticking clocks emojis towards Varadkar and engage in online harassment / hate campaign / trolling using a variety of hashtags? The answers to all of the above is yes. As I already stated, you can’t pick and choose what part of this investigation you want to discuss or post about. The facts matter.

skimpydoo

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to silence a poster highlighting who is responsible for this investigation? What gives you the right to decide who posts what in relation to this story in the Village magazine which is the thread title.
Are you trying to mod this forum through posts despite not being a moderator? Paddy Cosgrave was interviewed by Gardai in relation to this investigation this week. It was printed in all mainstream media that it was also Cosgrave who introduced Chay Bowes to The Village magazine, to print the article in which the title of this thread is based.
Does Chay Bowes regularly tweet ticking clocks emojis towards Varadkar and engage in online harassment / hate campaign / trolling using a variety of hashtags? The answers to all of the above is yes. As I already stated, you can’t pick and choose what part of this investigation you want to discuss or post about. The facts matter.

What's this got to do with Paul Murphy?

FrancieBrady

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to silence a poster highlighting who is responsible for this investigation? What gives you the right to decide who posts what in relation to this story in the Village magazine which is the thread title.
Are you trying to mod this forum through posts despite not being a moderator? Paddy Cosgrave was interviewed by Gardai in relation to this investigation this week. It was printed in all mainstream media that it was also Cosgrave who introduced Chay Bowes to The Village magazine, to print the article in which the title of this thread is based.
Does Chay Bowes regularly tweet ticking clocks emojis towards Varadkar and engage in online harassment / hate campaign / trolling using a variety of hashtags? The answers to all of the above is yes. As I already stated, you can’t pick and choose what part of this investigation you want to discuss or post about. The facts matter.

What Leo confessed to is responsible for the investigation. Had he not engaged in wrongdoing we wouldn't be here.

McMurphy

Who invited Paul Murphy to the party?

What's he got to do with Leo leaking confidential documents to his friend?

nialler1978

CruelSummer wrote: »

Are you trying to silence a poster highlighting who is responsible for this investigation? What gives you the right to decide who posts what in relation to this story in the Village magazine which is the thread title.
Are you trying to mod this forum through posts despite not being a moderator? Paddy Cosgrave was interviewed by Gardai in relation to this investigation this week. It was printed in all mainstream media that it was also Cosgrave who introduced Chay Bowes to The Village magazine, to print the article in which the title of this thread is based.
Does Chay Bowes regularly tweet ticking clocks emojis towards Varadkar and engage in online harassment / hate campaign / trolling using a variety of hashtags? The answers to all of the above is yes. As I already stated, you can’t pick and choose what part of this investigation you want to discuss or post about. The facts matter.

You’re talking mad stuff, incoherent ranting, Cosgraves tax affairs and Paul Murphy’s antics at a water protest? Again, what’s this got to do with anything, and I couldn’t give a rats arse about either of them. I’m not on Twitter, and thankful for it judging by how upset people get by it and how it influences their opinions, Few deep breaths maybe? And a hiatus from it? Wow. Very odd.

CruelSummer

nialler1978 wrote: »

You’re talking mad stuff, incoherent ranting, Cosgraves tax affairs and Paul Murphy’s antics at a water protest? Again, what’s this got to do with anything, and I couldn’t give a rats arse about either of them. I’m not on Twitter, and thankful for it judging by how upset people get by it and how it influences their opinions, Few deep breaths maybe? And a hiatus from it? Wow. Very odd.

I’m talking about the fact that Paddy Cosgrave introduced Chay Bowes to The Village Magazine, and seems privy to information that they may or may not publish ahead of time. I’m talking about the fact Cosgrave was interviewed by Gardaí this week in relation to this investigation.
Cosgraves tax affairs and Murphy’s water antics are relevant pieces of information as to the characters of the two individuals who are the prime instigators in this whole investigation, as well as Chay Bowes.

CruelSummer

skimpydoo wrote: »

What's this got to do with Paul Murphy?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/full-garda-probe-into-varadkar-gp-pay-leak-40193839.html

Quite a bit actually.

nialler1978

nialler1978 wrote: »

You’re talking mad stuff, incoherent ranting, Cosgraves tax affairs and Paul Murphy’s antics at a water protest? Again, what’s this got to do with anything, and I couldn’t give a rats arse about either of them. I’m not on Twitter, and thankful for it judging by how upset people get by it and how it influences their opinions, Few deep breaths maybe? And a hiatus from it? Wow. Very odd.

Bowes anti vradakar tweets and his endorsement of the pirate flag set on twitter reduce his credibility a lot,not that there is anything in my opinion credible about the allegations at all anyway to my eyes
Other opinions may vary

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

Why does it?

Weird. Have seen many mentions of 'pirate flags' here and elsewhere lately

What's it all about... and why is it being used as a stick by those wanting to dismiss criticism of government?

I don't think so, dude. Criticism of the government is fine and healthy. It's just that the whole pirate flag thing is associated with every sort of malcontent, ne'er do well, and loser that you tend to find on Twitter. A lot of them seem to believe Wifi Paddy is some sort of Messiah.



Just the latest itineration of the Call For a Revolution in Ireland crew that were around circa 2010-2012. Shower of cranks, conspiracy theorists, and oddballs.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you like to provide a source for this? Because it directly contradicts both GSOC's own public guidance as well as the legislation it's based on.



Ian Bailey was able to make a complaint because the Garda investigation he was complaining about was of him.


Please don't write authoritatively about topics you demonstrably know nothing about.

There is no need for you to be the subject of the complaint.

https://www.gardaombudsman.ie/make-a-complaint/before-you-complain/

"Did the incident you are complaining about happen to you? If not, were you there in person and did you see it happen, or are you complaining on behalf of someone that this happened to, with their permission?"

So Cosgrave or Chad Bowes can complain to GSOC that their complaint wasn't properly investigated. Furthermore, they, and others can claim that in the public interest that an investigation into Varadkar's "escape" should happen. This would be under Section 104.


"The Ombudsman Commission may, if it appears to it desirable in the public interest to do so and without
receiving a complaint, investigate any matter that appears to it to indicate that a member of the Garda
Síochána may have—
(a) committed an offence, or
(b) behaved in a manner that would justify disciplinary proceedings."

You can disagree with my reading of the legislation if you want, but you can't claim that I know nothing about it.

My name is URL wrote: »

I see the person you asked this question of hasn't responded to you yet. Wouldn't hold my breath tbh

What a pointless post. Some of us have lives and aren't here to answer any question 24/7. Furthermore, there is no requirement to respond to any point.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What Leo confessed to is responsible for the investigation. Had he not engaged in wrongdoing we wouldn't be here.

That nonsense you made up about him "confessing" has been destroyed several times in this thread already, yet you keep coming out with this lie.

Varadkar has "confessed" to nothing more than sharing a document with a relevant party but doing so in an informal rather than formal manner. Your persistent attempts to make his statements into something more because of responses to rhetorical questions is pathetic.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no need for you to be the subject of the complaint.

https://www.gardaombudsman.ie/make-a-complaint/before-you-complain/

"Did the incident you are complaining about happen to you? If not, were you there in person and did you see it happen, or are you complaining on behalf of someone that this happened to, with their permission?"

So Cosgrave or Chad Bowes can complain to GSOC that their complaint wasn't properly investigated. Furthermore, they, and others can claim that in the public interest that an investigation into Varadkar's "escape" should happen. This would be under Section 104.


"The Ombudsman Commission may, if it appears to it desirable in the public interest to do so and without
receiving a complaint, investigate any matter that appears to it to indicate that a member of the Garda
Síochána may have—
(a) committed an offence, or
(b) behaved in a manner that would justify disciplinary proceedings."

You can disagree with my reading of the legislation if you want, but you can't claim that I know nothing about it.




What a pointless post. Some of us have lives and aren't here to answer any question 24/7. Furthermore, there is no requirement to respond to any point.

What has this little deflectionary sidebar achieved? Anyone can make a complaint.

What a revelation.

Suckit

So to get an answer, I used google.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pirate+flags+twitter
First result is Paddy Cosgraves tweet

I've added the pirate flag to my bio, because I think given that Ireland's run by a bunch of pirates, privateers & cronies, it's currently more appropriate than the Irish one which stands for peace between all communities, we're all in this together...

I am guessing that is the Pirate Flag that repeatedly gets mentioned here. But of course it's nonsense and it "is associated with every sort of malcontent, ne'er do well, and loser that you tend to find on Twitter" - The final part being a direct reply to the question.

It's such nonsense that it seems to be working. It has the FG lot here repeatedly referring to it here and telling us all that it's the reason Leo is under investigation and would probably try and blame anything else on them given the chance.
I genuinely don't get the ambivelance on it. It is either a load of nonsense crazy people spouting gibberish on a cesspit of a social platform, or it is worrying speech and facts for FG, worthy enough to repeat everywhere to tell us all that is nonsense and gibberish spouted by idiots on nasty platform.

skimpydoo

I look forward to revisiting old posts in this thread later this year. Posts that stated there was nothing to see here and that it would soon blow over. It's going to make fascinating reading.

Suckit

blanch152 wrote: »

That nonsense you made up about him "confessing" has been destroyed several times in this thread already, yet you keep coming out with this lie.

Varadkar has "confessed" to nothing more than sharing a document with a relevant party but doing so in an informal rather than formal manner. Your persistent attempts to make his statements into something more because of responses to rhetorical questions is pathetic.

So he confessed to sharing a document.
That is the bit he is under investigation for.
That is the part that is believed to have been a criminal act.

Blaming Paddy Cosgrave for 'ratting him out' doesn't change the fact that he did it and this is all his own doing.. Repeating myself again...

skimpydoo

It seems like Leo and his followers can't take responsibility for his actions.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

There is no need for you to be the subject of the complaint.

I didn't say there was. You introduced Ian Bailey as an example, I replied that he was able to make a GSOC complaint because the investigation he was complaining was about him i.e. the incident.

https://www.gardaombudsman.ie/make-a-complaint/before-you-complain/

"Did the incident you are complaining about happen to you? If not, were you there in person and did you see it happen, or are you complaining on behalf of someone that this happened to, with their permission?"

So Cosgrave or Chad Bowes can complain to GSOC that their complaint wasn't properly investigated.

They clearly can't. Do you not know what the word incident means? The incident was the leak. The leak didn't happen to Bowes or Cosgrave, they were not there in person, and they do not have the permission of either Leo or Maitiu.

Furthermore, they, and others can claim that in the public interest that an investigation into Varadkar's "escape" should happen. This would be under Section 104

Section 104 you say?

"104.— Notwithstanding section 10 (4) of the Petty Sessions (Ireland) Act 1851 , summary proceedings in respect of a matter relating to an offence reported to the Director of Public Prosecutions under this Act may be instituted within 12 months from the date of the offence."

"The Ombudsman Commission may, if it appears to it desirable in the public interest to do so and without
receiving a complaint, investigate any matter that appears to it to indicate that a member of the Garda
Síochána may have—
(a) committed an offence, or
(b) behaved in a manner that would justify disciplinary proceedings."

That says GSOC can independently commence an investigation. Your claim was that Bowes or Cosgrave could make a GSOC complaint. You also made the claim in the sentence preceding that quote that "anyone can make a public interest" complaint. The legislation clearly states that only GSOC can decide to do so. You're either lying or you're fundamentally incapable of comprehension.

You can disagree with my reading of the legislation if you want, but you can't claim that I know nothing about it.

I can, and I've proved it over two posts now.

What a pointless post. Some of us have lives and aren't here to answer any question 24/7. Furthermore, there is no requirement to respond to any point.

The point is: you have a posting style of making farfetched claims and then not responding when the veracity of such is challenged. Which is probably for the best, given how awful the post I'm responding to is. Stick to what you're at least proficient at.

shtpEdthePlum

Genuine question and I'm not being thick here.

Usually when a politician does something like this there's a tribunal which goes on for years at great cost and establishes nothing until everyone has forgotten what it's about.

What is different in this particular instance?

Loafing Oaf

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Genuine question and I'm not being thick here.

Usually when a politician does something like this there's a tribunal which goes on for years at great cost and establishes nothing until everyone has forgotten what it's about.

What is different in this particular instance?

Have to wait for Garda investigations to run into the sand first...