Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 03:58PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Might be a good idea to set up a Covid hotline where you could report those who have broken the laws especially foreign travel. If someone found to be in breach of them a fine would be imposed.

That worked well in Donegal;:pac:

One source said the hotline had acted as “a beacon for lunatics and loonies”.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 04:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

Afaik - the North and here have been sharing Passanger Locator form information since earlier in the year. So where a passenger had been in a UK Red list country and transitted through the North (and remember its a legal requirement to fill in a PLF) - it's certainly possible they might be contacted regarding quarantine etc.

Do you know if it is being shared on request, i.e. if a query is made about a particular person, or that they have full access to it? Or is it just that the ones relivant to the Irish authorities are forwarded?

saabsaab · 12-05-2021 04:03PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

That worked well in Donegal;:pac:

One source said the hotline had acted as “a beacon for lunatics and loonies”.

Would do I guess but you'd usually be able to tell who was genuine.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 04:11PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Would do I guess but you'd usually be able to tell who was genuine.

It could turn into a scene from the famous 5 I'd say. 'Look at him Anne, a stranger, better phone the police'.

While public health is important, this thing has already caused enough division in this country. You'd end up with people calling out of spite, or without any evidence, and it would waste resources that could be more effectively used targeting the biggest source of transmission, within the community.

But that's just my humble opinion.....

Of course if Ireland instead imposed more realistic restrictions, increased compliance would greatly reduce the need to report people. Removal of the 2k fine would be a good start.

Corholio · 12-05-2021 04:24PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

It could turn into a scene from the famous 5 I'd say. 'Look at him Anne, a stranger, better phone the police'.

While public health is important, this thing has already caused enough division in this country. You'd end up with people calling out of spite, or without any evidence, and it would waste resources that could be more effectively used targeting the biggest source of transmission, within the community.

But that's just my humble opinion.....

Of course if Ireland instead imposed more realistic restrictions, increased compliance would greatly reduce the need to report people. Removal of the 2k fine would be a good start.

Some don't care about division at all though, when putting people on islands and ankle tagging were put forward as ideas for quarantining people, a hotline is hardly surprising either. Some would salivate at the thought of being able to report people, a little circle jerk to replace their lack of human contact.

The Continental Op · 12-05-2021 04:27PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

That worked well in Donegal;:pac:

One source said the hotline had acted as “a beacon for lunatics and loonies”.

But once the loonies got it off their chest they'd probably loose interest and the system would settle down.

Maybe field all calls through an indian call center that would soon shut anyone up that wasn't dead serious.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 04:30PM

Corholio wrote: »

Some don't care about division at all though, when putting people on islands and ankle tagging were put forward as ideas for quarantining people, a hotline is hardly surprising either. Some would salivate at the thought of being able to report people, a little circle jerk to replace their lack of human contact.

You know, thinking about it, it may not be a bad thing for those of us wanting travel restored. It would appease the angry mob, and distract them from any relaxation of restrictions. And they may lay off shouting for MHQ if they thought that they could get to play sheriff themselves and enforce the law.

To be honest, anyone blatently breaking the rules should probably be reported anyhow for ruining it for the rest of us that want to travel responsibly.

patscott27 · 12-05-2021 04:33PM

About the sharing of passenger locator forms between NI and the ROI this isnt happening. There were calls to do so more than once by both sides but so far it has come to nothing.

eltonyio · 12-05-2021 04:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Might be a good idea to set up a Covid hotline where you could report those who have broken the laws especially foreign travel. If someone found to be in breach of them a fine would be imposed.

:rolleyes:

Hopefully eir would be awarded the contract so as to give this suggestion the contempt it deserves.

talulon · 12-05-2021 04:55PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Might be a good idea to set up a Covid hotline where you could report those who have broken the laws especially foreign travel. If someone found to be in breach of them a fine would be imposed.

It's cheaper to buy them Alexa or Siri to talk to.

Ray Donovan · 12-05-2021 04:56PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Gardai have a checkpoint on the arrival road to Terminal 1 and Terminal 2. Uniform Gardai at terminal 1 are attached to Dublin airport mostly. Terminal 2 is manned by traffic units.

Immigration officers are setup as you enter security in both terminals.

Uniform Gardai will be on the beat inside but are not specifically tasked with Covid enforcement and have no role in mask wearing for example.

the 'Hut' would refer to either the little kiosk they use inside or the traffic mobile canteen.

You are correct, It cannot be. The fine would be per adult

Not even remotely true.

Travelling to a holiday home in Spain is not essential. Sorry but its not. Of course I will be shouted at for pointing that out but it remains the reality.

1. You could and probable would be advised to return home
2. you would be subject to a 4k fine for both adults.

Hopefully the fine will gone by then but if I were in your shoes I would be planning something beyond admitting you are going to a house in Spain for holidays. I couldnt possible point you towards some of the excellent suggestions made in this thread

Why would the guards now have a checkpoint set up at the the arrival roads to T1 and T2. With full travel around the country anyone driving there planning on flying or dropping to fly should just say when stopped “I’m out for a drive”. That checkpoint is now irrelevant if it even exists anymore. So the only place to worry about them now is pre security.

Gael23 · 12-05-2021 04:59PM

The Davestator wrote: »

if the 2k fine is still there, get a bus to the airport and pay the extra 7 or 8 euro for the fast pass security. They haven't been checking the buses or fast pass as far as I am aware and from speaking with people who travelled.

That’s my plan

Gael23 · 12-05-2021 05:00PM

The Davestator wrote: »

if the 2k fine is still there, get a bus to the airport and pay the extra 7 or 8 euro for the fast pass security. They haven't been checking the buses or fast pass as far as I am aware and from speaking with people who travelled.

That’s my plan

pjackson · 12-05-2021 05:06PM

I am hoping to fly for a week to Majorca on 8th August with wife and son. It is the latest we can travel this summer because of work and school stuff. We will all be fully vaccinated by the end of June. Looking at Airbnb houses where we would lose c. 1k euro if we cancel - flights should be OK with option for free change on Ryanair. Any thoughts on the likely situation at that point? Thank you.

12-05-2021 05:11PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Why would the guards now have a checkpoint set up at the the arrival roads to T1 and T2. With full travel around the country anyone driving there planning on flying or dropping to fly should just say when stopped “I’m out for a drive”. That checkpoint is now irrelevant if it even exists anymore. So the only place to worry about them now is pre security.

Why do you doubt my information? Its still there.

and yes, the exterior checkpoint has always been subject to lies and the Gardai standing at it have always been aware of this. You hardly want them to scrutinise people fully and enact the full weight of the law do you?

12-05-2021 05:17PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Of course if Ireland instead imposed more realistic restrictions, increased compliance would greatly reduce the need to report people. Removal of the 2k fine would be a good start.

What kind of more realistic restrictions?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 05:35PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What kind of more realistic restrictions?

Removal, or at least a firm date for removal of the €2k fine would do it. Even if they just did it inline with NI. I know the testing/quarantining regeim doesn't suit everyone, and in time the green cert may/may not help with this. But in the meanwhile, you have some chance of getting those that do travel to comply with the home quarantine for 5 days and retest rule. As I said, people travelling through the north will most likely have to test pre return regardless, so the inconvenience/extra expense vs another test after 5 days is lessened somewhat.
People will travel regardless of the fine, via NI, and then likely not do the proper home quarantine. At least if you let them out via the republic you have a greater chance of compliance and if nothing else, you'll be able to trace them.

saabsaab · 12-05-2021 05:36PM

Corholio wrote: »

Some don't care about division at all though, when putting people on islands and ankle tagging were put forward as ideas for quarantining people, a hotline is hardly surprising either. Some would salivate at the thought of being able to report people, a little circle jerk to replace their lack of human contact.

Those were good ideas. They can't be easily circumvented unlike the daft 'voluntary' quarantining which didn't work.

12-05-2021 05:40PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Removal, or at least a firm date for removal of the €2k fine would do it. Even if they just did it inline with NI. I know the testing/quarantining regeim doesn't suit everyone, and in time the green cert may/may not help with this. But in the meanwhile, you have some chance of getting those that do travel to comply with the home quarantine for 5 days and retest rule. As I said, people travelling through the north will most likely have to test pre return regardless, so the inconvenience/extra expense vs another test after 5 days is lessened somewhat.
People will travel regardless of the fine, via NI, and then likely not do the proper home quarantine. At least if you let them out via the republic you have a greater chance of compliance and if nothing else, you'll be able to trace them.

So, no real different restrictions, just get rid of the fine?
The fine is there for people travelling to the airport for unnecessary travel out of the state. So, if you have a reason for travel, then you don't pay the fine.

Basically, you just want people to be able to travel when there is a no travel advisory.
So you don't actually have any more realistic restrictions?

gozunda · 12-05-2021 05:41PM

patscott27 wrote: »

About the sharing of passenger locator forms between NI and the ROI this isnt happening. There were calls to do so more than once by both sides but so far it has come to nothing.

Are you sure about that? I know of one case where an individual was contacted post travel via the UK and they got a phonecall re quarantine. I'm afraid I don't have any other info on it but the person concerned was fairly straight about it.

The person in question had filled in a UK passanger Locatorform - so maybe that indicates some information is being passed on - at least from the UK side.

I know the NI authorities were making noises recently that they were "still concerned that (they're) not getting the full data from passenger locator forms coming from the Republic of Ireland"

I'll do a bit of digging and report back.

Corholio · 12-05-2021 05:44PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Those were good ideas. They can't be easily circumvented unlike the daft 'voluntary' quarantining which didn't work.

Jesus christ. Good ideas?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 05:47PM

bubblypop wrote: »

So, no real different restrictions, just get rid of the fine?
The fine is there for people travelling to the airport for unnecessary travel out of the state. So, if you have a reason for travel, then you don't pay the fine.

Basically, you just want people to be able to travel when there is a no travel advisory.
So you don't actually have any more realistic restrictions?

Note where I said it was a starting point! I'm one of the pro travel mob, believe me. I've got a holiday booked for early July, I want out of here. I'd love it if we could open up like the rest of Europe, but we are being ruled by NPHET, who want to keep us all locked up and in fear.

My thoughts;

Ideal world;
The government come out with an actual timeline to reopen.
Test or vaccination only, no quarantine, from Europe, the US and other countries with low figures and high vaccination rates.
Keep some form of control for countries where things are really bad (like India).

Real World;
Anything helps, and the biggest problem most on here have is the fine, start there.

Tazz T · 12-05-2021 06:21PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not even remotely true.

/QUOTE]

Wow wish I'd known that before paying the FPN for one of my offspring. Thanks for the info niner. I'll direct the gard to this thread and your infinite wisdom next time.

naufragos123 · 12-05-2021 06:27PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Basically, you just want people to be able to travel when there is a no travel advisory.

Why would the above stance be an issue? The EU want people to be able to travel. The aviation and tourism sectors want people to be able to travel. The thousands of expats and those with cross border lives want people to be able to travel. Everyone who doesn't want our island to be permanently disconnected with connectivity only for the elite want people to be able to travel.

Some people might blindly follow whatever advisory the Govt put in place. Others see the calibre of the people in Govt and despise a lot of the illogical rules. They may not necessarily break the rules/laws but that doesn't stop them for seeing them for the tyrannical and retrograde steps a lot of them are.

12-05-2021 06:30PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Why would the above stance be an issue? The EU want people to be able to travel. The aviation and tourism sectors want people to be able to travel. The thousands of expats and those with cross border lives want people to be able to travel. Everyone who doesn't want our island to be permanently disconnected with connectivity only for the elite want people to be able to travel.

Some people might blindly follow whatever advisory the Govt put in place. Others see the calibre of the people in Govt and despise a lot of the illogical rules. They may not necessarily break the rules/laws but that doesn't stop them for seeing them for the tyrannical and retrograde steps a lot of them are.

We ALL want to travel, it's temporary and will hopefully be over soon.

Sammy2012 · 12-05-2021 06:37PM

Side note for anyone hoping to get a passport to travel. I applied for mine Friday night and it was in my postbox at 9am this morning. Holidays in August looking more and more likely everyday.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 06:42PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Side note for anyone hoping to get a passport to travel. I applied for mine Friday night and it was in my postbox at 9am this morning. Holidays in August looking more and more likely everyday.

I think they're restarting fullly soon. My wife applied in February and it only arrived last week.

Ray Donovan · 12-05-2021 06:50PM

Does anyone have any ideas as to why June 2nd was picked as the date when the current travel fine legislation will expire? I think someone mentioned it might be linked to guesthouses/hotels reopening?

Could it possibly mean when they open the travel fine has to go or is that wishful thinking on my part and is the travel fine literally linked to nothing else and could be extended indefinitely?

saabsaab · 12-05-2021 06:55PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Why would the above stance be an issue? The EU want people to be able to travel. The aviation and tourism sectors want people to be able to travel. The thousands of expats and those with cross border lives want people to be able to travel. Everyone who doesn't want our island to be permanently disconnected with connectivity only for the elite want people to be able to travel.

Some people might blindly follow whatever advisory the Govt put in place. Others see the calibre of the people in Govt and despise a lot of the illogical rules. They may not necessarily break the rules/laws but that doesn't stop them for seeing them for the tyrannical and retrograde steps a lot of them are.

Temporary and perhaps inconvenient for some. Pity they weren't there earlier and tougher.

seansouth36 · 12-05-2021 06:56PM

June 2nd, I'm heading to Greece for 10 days.
Plan is PCR test/bus to airport/Fast Track/Dental appointment in Greece printed out. A rather convoluted system to leave the country, but worth it for a week of morning swims, afternoon balcony beers and restaurant sunsets.

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