Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Dr. Em · 09-05-2021 02:32PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Why Belfast airport? Because there will be certainty there on flights. We will not have that certainty

What? Please elaborate.

CruelSummer · 09-05-2021 02:42PM

Just listened back to Saturday RTÉ with Louise O’Reilly & Minister of State Thomas Byrne.
I’m actually shell shocked that Louise O’Reilly actually stated that the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine system is the ‘government’ policy, not Sinn Féin’s.
Do the public not pay attention? She and her party spent months of early 2021 kicking and screaming DAILY for mandatory hotel quarantine from all countries across all media platforms.
I’m even more shocked the minister & presenter let her away with that.

votecounts · 09-05-2021 02:49PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just listened back to Saturday RTÉ with Louise O’Reilly & Minister of State Thomas Byrne.
I’m actually shell shocked that Louise O’Reilly actually stated that the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine system is the ‘government’ policy, not Sinn Féin’s.
Do the public not pay attention? She and her party spent months of early 2021 kicking and screaming DAILY for mandatory hotel quarantine from all countries across all media platforms.
I’m even more shocked the minister & presenter let her away with that.

But it is the Government who brought it in. Besides some parties wanted a lot more countries on the MHQ unlike the Govts plan

naufragos123 · 09-05-2021 02:50PM

Do people think that the €2.000 will go soon? We are hoping to travel from Dublin to Spain sometime in late June. My partner is a wheelchair user and will require airport assistance. That is usually a different departure lane and I'm wondering if like the fast lane, it's not manned by Gardai. Any idea anyone??

Before people jump down my throat, my partner has chronic arthritis and needs warmth. We have our own place in Spain but haven't been in two years. We have complied with all restrictions. I will probably book pain management treatment for my partner at a local Spanish clinic in case that fine is still in place. We have no issue with PCRs and home quarantine but that fine is astronomical.

Another question please. With so few people travelling are flight cancellations very frequent? We could fly to either Alicante or Malaga, not booking until closer the time.

Lumen · 09-05-2021 02:52PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Do people think that the €2.000 will go soon?

This question has been dealt with repeatedly in the last few days on this thread. Read it back.

Van.Bosch · 09-05-2021 02:54PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Do people think that the €2.000 will go soon? We are hoping to travel from Dublin to Spain sometime in late June. My partner is a wheelchair user and will require airport assistance. That is usually a different departure lane and I'm wondering if like the fast lane, it's not manned by Gardai. Any idea anyone??

Before people jump down my throat, my partner has chronic arthritis and needs warmth. We have our own place in Spain but haven't been in two years. We have complied with all restrictions. I will probably book pain management treatment for my partner at a local Spanish clinic in case that fine is still in place. We have no issue with PCRs and home quarantine but that fine is astronomical.

Another question please. With so few people travelling are flight cancellations very frequent? We could fly to either Alicante or Malaga, not booking until closer the time.

It ends tomorrow as per current law

titan18 · 09-05-2021 02:54PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just listened back to Saturday RTÉ with Louise O’Reilly & Minister of State Thomas Byrne.
I’m actually shell shocked that Louise O’Reilly actually stated that the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine system is the ‘government’ policy, not Sinn Féin’s.
Do the public not pay attention? She and her party spent months of early 2021 kicking and screaming DAILY for mandatory hotel quarantine from all countries across all media platforms.
I’m even more shocked the minister & presenter let her away with that.

Ya, not even like it's hard to find that. There's multiple newspaper articles with O Reilly calling for it.

naufragos123 · 09-05-2021 02:58PM

Lumen wrote: »

This question has been dealt with repeatedly in the last few days on this thread. Read it back.

I did read it back and it appears to be more speculation than certainty. So I'm asking what people think will happen.

Dr. Em · 09-05-2021 02:58PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Another question please. With so few people travelling are flight cancellations very frequent? We could fly to either Alicante or Malaga, not booking until closer the time.

Yes, flights are being cancelled regularly, sometimes because the airline can't fill the flight and sometimes due to changing restrictions. If you book a flight, check the airline's rebooking and refund policies. The DFA and Reopen EU will give you information on Spain's entry requirements, as well as the Spanish government pages, and Gov.ie has the Irish restrictions.

Ray Donovan · 09-05-2021 03:07PM

Micheal looking at August for the Travel Cert I would suggest going by this....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0509/1217864-travel-covid/

KrustyUCC · 09-05-2021 03:17PM

August was always the plan for the government

That's with the EU pushing them into it

Lumen · 09-05-2021 03:25PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal looking at August for the Travel Cert I would suggest going by this....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0509/1217864-travel-covid/

More terrible reporting. FFS RTE, it's not complicated.

RTE wrote:

Micheál Martin said "possibilities" may open for people to travel between EU member states at that stage, once they have been vaccinated or have recovered from Covid-19 and can produce the results of a PCR test to confirm they are free of the virus.

Miche&#225 wrote: »

There will be more work to be done in terms of the application of these passports, but we want a European-wide, interoperable portal where people can register the fact that they have been vaccinated, that they had a negative PCR test or they have recovered from Covid.

These are not remotely the same.

CruelSummer · 09-05-2021 03:34PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal looking at August for the Travel Cert I would suggest going by this....

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0509/1217864-travel-covid/

Well one major obstacle to Ireland’s fantasy idea of August is how this would work in practice. If we’d Irish citizens trying to travel within the EU during July / August with no access to the cert, while other countries do. How would it work at borders having some countries following it and others not if the initial 6 weeks will run through the summer season where many people would want to travel.
It would be extremely chaotic for the EU to have some in and some out for most of July / early August.

The Nutty M · 09-05-2021 03:35PM

EireLemon wrote: »

Where in the airport are they issueing fines if at all? Or is it outside the airport? Anyone had an experience with this?

Came through Dublin airport yesterday. They weren't really bothering anyone from what we seen. They were outside the terminal on the departures road and inside before security.

Airport was not busy by normal standards but sorta busy by Corona standard. Few clowns on our flight hadn't the PLF filled in before check-in,1 with an out of time PCR by 45mins and another that had 3 bags for the hold but only paid for 1. Oh the joys.

Used randox in Ireland for the return PCR. No bother with them other than they use both nostrils instead of the usual one.

Lumen · 09-05-2021 03:39PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Well one major obstacle to Ireland’s fantasy idea of August is how this would work in practice. If we’d Irish citizens trying to travel within the EU during July / August with no access to the cert, while other countries do. How would it work at borders having some countries following it and others not if the initial 6 weeks will run through the summer season where many people would want to travel.
It would be extremely chaotic for the EU to have some in and some out for most of July / early August.

It won't be chaotic. The baseline is a PCR test. These are already required, so the process of recognising them is done. The point of the green cert is to remove the requirement to get a PCR test. That can be done either by proving you have recovered from COVID, or by proving that you have been vaccinated. At issue is the process of administering these proofs so that they can be checked at border like PCR tests are currently.

So if your country hasn't sorted out the green cert stuff, a PCR test will do you.

The removal of quarantine requirements is a completely independent step, although it's being talked about in the same briefings. Quarantine is mostly being used as a demand-control mechanism at the moment, stopping the flow of people across borders. Once the vaccination programme is further advanced such that hospitality can be fully opened and international tourism can function properly, the objective will be to encourage as many uninfected people to travel as possible, whether those people are vaccinated, immune after recovery or PCR-negative.

That's how I understand it anyway.

CruelSummer · 09-05-2021 04:02PM

Lumen wrote: »

It won't be chaotic. The baseline is a PCR test. These are already required, so the process of recognising them is done. The point of the green cert is to remove the requirement to get a PCR test. That can be done either by proving you have recovered from COVID, or by proving that you have been vaccinated. At issue is the process of administering these proofs so that they can be checked at border like PCR tests are currently.

So if your country hasn't sorted out the green cert stuff, a PCR test will do you.

The removal of quarantine requirements is a completely independent step, although it's being talked about in the same briefings. Quarantine is mostly being used as a demand-control mechanism at the moment, stopping the flow of people across borders. Once the vaccination programme is further advanced such that hospitality can be fully opened and international tourism can function properly, the objective will be to encourage as many uninfected people to travel as possible, whether those people are vaccinated, immune after recovery or PCR-negative.

That's how I understand it anyway.

What I’m saying is countries like say France, Spain, Portugal, Italy will not want the digital green cert to be staggered in its introduction. They will want an EU wide adoption on the same date so they can easily control their borders while allowing in travellers from the EU.
Schengen is also looking at reopen beyond EU too so if there were multiple different conditions for different travellers at the point of entry, I cannot see how this wouldn’t cause delays and confusion.
I guess there’s more back and forth to be ironed out on this issue in the short term. If I was in the travel industry here, I would really be beginning to wonder are they making a special effort to help them all go bust by writing off as much of the summer as possible.
Not to mention the thousands of families who have bookings for this summer & now don’t have any idea if they’ll be cancelled or not, should they move dates, etc.

Lumen · 09-05-2021 04:07PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

if there were multiple different conditions for different travellers at the point of entry, I cannot see how this wouldn’t cause delays and confusion.

There won't be multiple different conditions. If you have a green cert, you're through. Otherwise, show your PCR test result like you do now.

fm · 09-05-2021 04:24PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Well one major obstacle to Ireland’s fantasy idea of August is how this would work in practice. If we’d Irish citizens trying to travel within the EU during July / August with no access to the cert, while other countries do. How would it work at borders having some countries following it and others not if the initial 6 weeks will run through the summer season where many people would want to travel.
It would be extremely chaotic for the EU to have some in and some out for most of July / early August.

you would be allowed in with a pcr negative test like now ,even though you might be vaccinated because you don't have the cert to prove it.However returning home you would need another test but more than likely have to isolate at home for so many days like now.

according to Tomas Byrne the Eu don't want the six week transition period so i presume good old cautious Ireland does.

https://www.joe.ie/news/digital-green-certificates-implemented-ireland-end-june-721582

KanyeSouthEast · 09-05-2021 04:28PM

Will one shot of the vaccine do or will you require 2? Thanks.

Dr. Em · 09-05-2021 04:32PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What I’m saying is countries like say France, Spain, Portugal, Italy will not want the digital green cert to be staggered in its introduction. They will want an EU wide adoption on the same date so they can easily control their borders while allowing in travellers from the EU.

Mmm, border control is a sensitive issue for a lot of countries and a lot of them will want to have their own regulations, even if it makes travel more confusing. After all, of those four countries, only Spain actually accepted the traffic light system. France, Italy and Portugal are all running their own individual systems. Herding cats comes to mind.

braychelsea · 09-05-2021 04:33PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Will one shot of the vaccine do or will you require 2? Thanks.

Think it's up to the countries to decide. People are quite negative in this thread but I could see some Med countries not even needing a PCR test or green cert for travellers from countries with low COVID rates in late summer.

fm · 09-05-2021 04:33PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, not even like it's hard to find that. There's multiple newspaper articles with O Reilly calling for it.

yes ,heard her on the tonight show on virgin a few times calling for mhq for all countries and now she is concerned about all the people working in airports and the tourism sector,they're snakes the lot of them

fm · 09-05-2021 04:34PM

braychelsea wrote: »

Think it's up to the countries to decide. People are quite negative in this thread but I could see some Med countries not even needing a PCR test or green cert for travellers from countries with low COVID rates in late summer.

Think you can get into Austria now without a test if you are coming from a green or amber country using the eu traffic light system

Dr. Em · 09-05-2021 04:38PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Will one shot of the vaccine do or will you require 2? Thanks.

14 days after the final dose is proposed as the standard for travel from non-EU countries to the EU. That could end up being the standard for intra-EU travel too.

KanyeSouthEast · 09-05-2021 04:49PM

braychelsea wrote: »

Think it's up to the countries to decide. People are quite negative in this thread but I could see some Med countries not even needing a PCR test or green cert for travellers from countries with low COVID rates in late summer.

Thanks very much. Actually today is the first day in ages now I’ve felt positive about travel soon. I’ve 2 weeks leave in September and I’m hopeful of getting away then.

ilovesmybrick · 09-05-2021 04:56PM

fm wrote: »

Think you can get into Austria now without a test if you are coming from a green or amber country using the eu traffic light system

Though everyone needs a test to access bars, restaurants, hotels & events, and the tests need to be valid so you would be doing them every few days.

gozunda · 09-05-2021 05:06PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What I’m saying is countries like say France, Spain, Portugal, Italy will not want the digital green cert to be staggered in its introduction. They will want an EU wide adoption on the same date so they can easily control their borders while allowing in travellers from the EU.
Schengen is also looking at reopen beyond EU too so if there were multiple different conditions for different travellers at the point of entry, I cannot see how this wouldn’t cause delays and confusion.
I guess there’s more back and forth to be ironed out on this issue in the short term. If I was in the travel industry here, I would really be beginning to wonder are they making a special effort to help them all go bust by writing off as much of the summer as possible.
Not to mention the thousands of families who have bookings for this summer & now don’t have any idea if they’ll be cancelled or not, should they move dates, etc.

I'm not sure there is any hive mind of in relation to a common travel approach in countries like France, Spain, Portugal, Italy

Currently the EU has the Traffic light system in operation. Yet both Italy and Portugal have adopted thrir own national classification of risk areas, hence current travel restrictions for Portugal and Italy are not based on the common "EU Traffic Lights" map.

Dr. Em · 09-05-2021 05:08PM

gozunda wrote: »

I'm not sure there is any hive mind of in relation to a common travel approach in countries like France, Spain, Portugal, Italy

Currently the EU has the Traffic light system in operation. Yet both Italy and Portugal have adopted thrir own national classification of risk areas, hence current travel restrictions for Portugal and Italy are not based on the common "EU Traffic Lights" map.

France too. Spain is the only one of those four that signed up to the traffic light system.

naufragos123 · 09-05-2021 05:32PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Yes, flights are being cancelled regularly, sometimes because the airline can't fill the flight and sometimes due to changing restrictions. If you book a flight, check the airline's rebooking and refund policies. The DFA and Reopen EU will give you information on Spain's entry requirements, as well as the Spanish government pages, and Gov.ie has the Irish restrictions.

Thank you Dr Em. Has anyone any advice on the best way to not get caught with a cancellation? Fly capital to capital? Early morning or weekend perhaps better than midweek? Booking at the last minute? Or fly from Belfast?

Feria40 · 09-05-2021 05:40PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Thank you Dr Em. Has anyone any advice on the best way to not get caught with a cancellation? Fly capital to capital? Early morning or weekend perhaps better than midweek? Booking at the last minute? Or fly from Belfast?

I would imagine that as we roll into Summer the likelihood of flights being cancelled falls significantly.

If the €2k fine goes I'd expect no cancellations at all

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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